Official Discussion Thread of The Finals! San Antonio Spurs vs. Miami Heat

[lambeauleap87]

Impressive night from Gary Neal...I think I have a jersey card of his somewhere.

[Nyfancam01]

how was that not over the damn back on green????

[murrke03]

Wade is absolutely terrible. He can't hit a jumper to save his life.

Neal and Green have been lights out this finals. You can't beat a team when guys are shooting like that.

Spo needs to take lebron, bosh, wade out.

[pac213up]

I thought if you slide and roll over with the ball it is a travel?? Is that not the case in the NBA?

Only if you have possession before going to the ground.

[GoJays]

This is a massacre. End it now, before the Great One gets embarrassed even more.

[Qwasian]

how was that not over the damn back on green????

uh oh, we have a heat fan sighting..................:D

[bigboytoys]

Neal is is the groove...he is shooting LIGHTS OUT right now and just riding the momentum of it...

[murrke03]

Maybe the Heat will wake up and come out with some urgency to start a game now. Spurs are in major control of this series the way they have been playing.

[rhigh2390]

Just for all of the lebron nuthuggers who think lebron is already the best player to ever play, Jordan never had a finals like this...

[1eyed_jack]

This is a massacre. End it now, before the Great One gets embarrassed even more.

Honestly, you'll probably see Lebron start being aggressive now

[SocraticGoat777]

Was Lebron afraid to shoot the 3? What kind of Mvp is that?

[Cades]

Pretty much the exact opposite of game 2 so far, bad game for heat, great game by the spurs

[drob50]

Only if you have possession before going to the ground.

Fair enough! In the NBL, you can't roll even if you dive on the ball!

[freethrowtommy]

This is a massacre. End it now, before the Great One gets embarrassed even more.

Just for all of the lebron nuthuggers who think lebron is already the best player to ever play, Jordan never had a finals like this...

*sigh*... that didn't take long...

I love people who drop in to say stuff like this and then never come back.

[bigboytoys]

it's over people..it's over..

-Kenny "the Jet" Smith

[wadedaniel84]

This is amazing. I have the biggest grin on my face.

[skycat]

Anybody think Gary Neal cards will goes up after today game?

[jbmets95]

Lebron continuing to score in the finals :0

[fullmetal]

I can't believe I have been a fan of such a boring team for over 25 years.

[Kosmo Kards]

Enough with the MJ comparisons already. MJ isn't playing in this series. Wade isn't helping Miami win at all either. To be fair this game was more important for San Antonio to win. They were in real trouble if they lost tonight basically having to win 3 in a row.

[Burt-Reynolds]

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what a$$ whuppin is worse? this one or the miami one from sunday?

[murrke03]

spurs are out of their mind right now. shooting like they've never shot before. spo needs to throw in the towel.

[Nyfancam01]

this is a damn joke.
completely TRASHY performance by Miami.


Feel like they are playing annoying D00K with all these damn 3's.

[jbmets95]

Only if every team in the nba could draft and develop players like the spurs...

or move the ball like an actual team

[theautographkid]

3 point shootout between Green and Neal

[lambeauleap87]

I love watching Danny Green play...someone remind me to pick up one of his autographs come September when prices are back to normal.

[pac213up]

Geez...they are playing way off Wade now. He will not shoot it.

[sunsfan8]

I need to find my damn Danny Green auto.

[jbmets95]

Was it Lebron the one who needed help on the cavs?? or vice versa??...

[drob50]

Just for all of the lebron nuthuggers who think lebron is already the best player to ever play, Jordan never had a finals like this...

But MJ never had Kawhi on him! :flex::flex:

[IamRalpho]

Would be nice if the Spurs can pull two more of these out at home and avoid Miami

duh!

Put the foot and their throat in game 4 please Spurs!

[murrke03]

I think the Heat need to make parker, ginobili, and duncan beat them. the way the supporting cast is shooting this series is over.

[GoJays]

*sigh*... that didn't take long...

I love people who drop in to say stuff like this and then never come back.

Yup, that's exactly it.

If we're being honest, I haven't watched a minute of tonight's game (America's Got Talent was on) and I couldn't care less who wins.

If we're stretching the truth, LEBRON RULES AND JORDAN SUX!!!!

[fullmetal]

Spurs are not shooting at a much higher percentage than the Heat. The Heat are shooting threes at a higher percentage. Spurs just playing with active feet for those steals and rebounds.

[freethrowtommy]

Considering a similar butt kicking in Game 2, there are a lot of people coming by to kick Miami when they are down now. Where were you after Game 2?

I am seeing a lot of trolling going on right now. I shouldn't be surprised.

[murrke03]

Why can't people just watch the Heat and Lebron and not resort to childish trolling?

We get it you want him to fail.

Seriously even the Spurs fans are joining in. I thought they were better then that...

[1eyed_jack]

Why can't people just watch the Heat and Lebron and not resort to childish trolling?

We get it you want him to fail.

Seriously even the Spurs fans are joining in. I thought they were better then that...

quoted for hilarity!

[jbmets95]

Danny Green + Gary Neal: 45 points. LeBron James + Dwyane Wade + Chris Bosh: 43 points.


hahahaah
let lechoke get his garbage time points tho...

[murrke03]

Spurs are not shooting at a much higher percentage than the Heat. The Heat are shooting threes at a higher percentage. Spurs just playing with active feet for those steals and rebounds.

Thats part of it but if you don't think Green and Neal being on fire has more of an impact then you are crazy. :D

They are shooting like no ones ever shot before tonight haha.

[lambeauleap87]

Heat will come back strong in Game Four; they did it Game Two, and they did it when they needed to against Indy...when is it?

[freethrowtommy]

Yup, that's exactly it.

If we're being honest, I haven't watched a minute of tonight's game (America's Got Talent was on) and I couldn't care less who wins.

If we're stretching the truth, LEBRON RULES AND JORDAN SUX!!!!

No comment as I would probably be banned if I were completely honest with what I thought of the bolded part above...

[jbmets95]

shoutout to tupark

Don't want to overstate too much, but LeBron made mini-run in 3rd, Pop puts Kawhi right back in in 4th, LeBron basically does nothing again

[drob50]

Why can't people just watch the Heat and Lebron and not resort to childish trolling?

We get it you want him to fail.

Seriously even the Spurs fans are joining in. I thought they were better then that...

Which Spurs fans??

[lambeauleap87]

It's hard to not root for the Spurs, the more I watch them...so many role players that play so well, so much team development and chemistry, and so much actual strategy rather than iso the superstar one-on-one.

[Nyfancam01]

Real cute of them to just keep shooting 3's.

I hope Miami absolutely wrecks them in game 4.

This is pathetic.

[fullmetal]

Thats part of it but if you don't think Green and Neal being on fire has more of an impact then you are crazy. :D

They are shooting like no ones ever shot before tonight haha.

I watch the Spurs a lot. Neal and Green have had games like this before.

[Cades]

Holy crap what a shooting performance

[Bulls1]

T mac!!!!!

[GoJays]

No comment as I would probably be banned if I were completely honest with what I thought of the bolded part above...

Hell, beats watching a group of 7-foot tall men flopping around on the floor :)!

Besides, I watch for Howard Stern. DUHHH :)!

[murrke03]

I watch the Spurs a lot. Neal and Green have had games like this before.

When?

.

[kobe824]

Shut it down...Let's go home- Dirk Nowitzki

[Jperez]

Wassup tmac...

[freethrowtommy]

It's hard to not root for the Spurs, the more I watch them...so many role players that play so well, so much team development and chemistry, and so much actual strategy rather than iso the superstar one-on-one.

I agree with you.

I like the Spurs as well... it is hard not to if you like basketball.

[lambeauleap87]

Danny Green has been RIDICULOUS tonight.

[hairytrojan]

spurs in 6 like i predicted!!!! :)!:)!:)!

[sesmarine04]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[wadedaniel84]

geez. This is turning into a shootaround!

[fullmetal]

Bonner and Patty time.

[murrke03]

heat better get pissed as the spurs are now embarrassing them and trying to run the score up.

classy pop :)

[almostkinda]

...sooooo... Ummmmmmmm why is abc still airing this game?

[Kingofkings1281]

Horrible performance all around for Miami. I really can't tell if it's an injury hampering him, or if Wade is just done. Either way, his lack of midrange game really hurts them. Also, LeBron can't expect to win anything if he isn't about 100% more aggressive than he was tonight. Hopefully they get it together and make the proper adjustments.

[DUCKanay]

Real cute of them to just keep shooting 3's.

I hope Miami absolutely wrecks them in game 4.

This is pathetic.

I love it.

[bigboytoys]

I'm just glad to see T-Mac again finishing a 4th Quarter...hehehe

[sesmarine04]

heat better get pissed as the spurs are now embarrassing them and trying to run the score up.

classy pop :)

Really.....?

[spurfan]

Real cute of them to just keep shooting 3's.

I hope Miami absolutely wrecks them in game 4.

This is pathetic.

This isn't high school. These guys get paid. If they are on the court, they should keep playing.

[slugger22]

heat better get pissed as the spurs are now embarrassing them and trying to run the score up.

classy pop :)

Third string in still kicking a**

[murrke03]

all they need is tmac to hit a three and the building will explode

[Burt-Reynolds]

shoutout to tupark

Don't want to overstate too much, but LeBron made mini-run in 3rd, Pop puts Kawhi right back in in 4th, LeBron basically does nothing again

why are you shouting out that turd for? did i miss him posting in here trying to spam his terrible blog again by cleverly hiding it in a post to try and trick people into giving his free clicks again?

[IamRalpho]

Real cute of them to just keep shooting 3's.

I hope Miami absolutely wrecks them in game 4.

This is pathetic.

Maybe they should try stopping them?

LOL real cute, I wonder if the Spurs fans were saying that in game 2 "Stop shooting, dont be cute"

[fullmetal]

When?

.

Scroll through the game log.

Danny Green - San Antonio Spurs - Game Log - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4651/gamelog;_ylt=AvmdI8dBv8ihtx8gL2si19WkvLYF)

Gary Neal - San Antonio Spurs - Game Log - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4796/gamelog;_ylt=AvmdI8dBv8ihtx8gL2si19WkvLYF)

Not a weekly occurrence, but the guys have hit 6,7 in a game on a few occasions.

[lambeauleap87]

I wouldn't stop playing/shooting until the lead was thirty if I was the Spurs...I've seen the Heat make too many crazy comebacks.

[Kosmo Kards]

The Spurs responded about as well as one team can. Now its Miami's turn to respond Thursday night. Spolstra has his work cut out for him.

[bigboytoys]

I just want T-MAC to get his first FINALS POINTS! Let's go TMAC

[jbarnett83]

heat better get pissed as the spurs are now embarrassing them and trying to run the score up.

classy pop :)

Who cares? They should run it up as it is the finals

[murrke03]

Scroll through the game log.

Danny Green - San Antonio Spurs - Game Log - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4651/gamelog;_ylt=AvmdI8dBv8ihtx8gL2si19WkvLYF)

Gary Neal - San Antonio Spurs - Game Log - NBA - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4796/gamelog;_ylt=AvmdI8dBv8ihtx8gL2si19WkvLYF)

Not a weekly occurrence, but the guys have hit 6,7 in a game on a few occasions.

In the same game?

I know they are great shooters but the performance tonight is insane.

[IamRalpho]

Lebron James -32

That is astounding.

[almostkinda]

Fan of heat butttt.. They should let Tmac get at least 1 point.. :)

[drob50]

C'MON!! Let Tmac get his first points as a Spur!!!!

[murrke03]

The Heat need to make it a big 3 vs big 3 game with everything else complimentary. The spurs supporting cast is on fire and playing better.

[murrke03]

Lebron James -32

That is astounding.

Is anyone a positive?

[Cades]

Spurs suppose to just dribble until shot clock expires. DON'T THEY KNOW?!?!?!

[Nyfancam01]

I would love to see this series go to 7 actually...

I originally said Miami would win in 6 but now they just need to win 1 of the next two games and go absolutely kill San Antonio in Miami.

[Burt-Reynolds]

heat better get pissed as the spurs are now embarrassing them and trying to run the score up.

classy pop :)

yeah it's not like they keep their starting five in to pad the stats against 2nd stringers when they were already up by 20 or anything.

cough*miami game2*cough

[slugger22]

I would love to see this series go to 7 actually...

I originally said Miami would win in 6 but now they just need to win 1 of the next two games and go absolutely kill San Antonio in Miami.

You sound a little upset there buddy !

[Jperez]

Is anyone a positive?

$hit man, doubt it with this lead...

[SportsItUpCards]

Just gives us one more day of fun watching.... no biggie.

[murrke03]

$hit man, doubt it with this lead...

exactly. in a blowout like this no one is going to look good. haha

[lambeauleap87]

Is anyone a positive?

For starters/role players, Mike Miller is closest at -3.

[Cades]

Why can't people just watch the Heat and Lebron and not resort to childish trolling?

We get it you want him to fail.

Seriously even the Spurs fans are joining in. I thought they were better then that...

As alannis morrisette once said. Isn't it ironic, dontcha think?

[Burt-Reynolds]

can they hang 40 on em????????????????????????

[murrke03]

This is quite embarrassing. The Heat deserve this butt kicking. Spurs outplayed them, shot way better and got out coached.

We will see how the Heat respond but the spurs are clearly in the drivers seat in this series.

[broncofan92]

Real cute of them to just keep shooting 3's.

I hope Miami absolutely wrecks them in game 4.

This is pathetic.

if it were Miami doing that to the spurs you would want it to continue so quit crying

[BigZigBoom]

What a great night.

[Burt-Reynolds]

if it were Miami doing that to the spurs you would want it to continue so quit crying

yeah. miami up by 20 last game, and pop waived the white flag. miami left the starting 5 out there to pad stats against the scrubs. but how can you expect anyone to remember all the way back to sunday. i mean the entire spur team can't miss right now, what are they supposed to do? throw it into the 3rd row every possession to spare the heats feeling?

[JustinVerlander07]

LeBron doesn't show up in an important game. This never gets old!

[murrke03]

yeah. miami up by 20 and pop waived the white flag and miami left the starting 5 out there to pad stats against the scrubs. but how can you expect anyone to remember all the way back to sunday. i mean the entire spur team is scoring buckets, what are they supposed to do? throw it into the 3rd row every possession to spare the heats feeling?

Except the Spurs have come back from huge leads in this playoff to win games.

16 points in 4 minutes in the 4th quarter against Golden State the highlight. No lead is safe against the Spurs. They've proven that.

[fullmetal]

Love it. That stupid miami cheer.

[DUCKanay]

LOL well played spurs fans

[BigZigBoom]

I didn't get to watch much of this game. Did Lebron have another "greatest block in NBA finals history?"

[Nyfancam01]

Well, That was brutal..
I'd much rather be at work than watch this.


Time to package up some Ebay stuff.... Hopefully Miami actually shows up in game 4.

[Burt-Reynolds]

Except the Spurs have come back from huge leads in this playoff to win games.

16 points in 4 minutes in the 4th quarter against Golden State. No lead is safe against the Spurs. They've proven that.

lmfaooooooooooo what does that even mean???????????? you telling me a team with lebron james, ray allen, mike miller, dwayne wade, and chris bosh can't erase a 20 pt deficit?

[slugger22]

I didn't get to watch much of this game. Did Lebron have another "greatest block in NBA finals history?"

Yes.... a mental block !

[murrke03]

lmfaooooooooooo what does that even mean???????????? you telling me a team with lebron james, ray allen, mike miller, dwayne wade, and chris bosh can't erase a 20 pt deficit?

What? You commented on why the Heat kept Lebron, Wade etc in the game on Sunday.

I just explained it.

[Bulls1]

I thought lebron was 50 times better? I guess all players have off nights.

[murrke03]

Well terrible game by the Heat great game by the Spurs.

The spurs are playing way better as a team. Heat are in trouble.

[Qwasian]

heat fans super salty tonight boy............. the internet goin nutz...........

[murrke03]

heat fans super salty tonight boy............. the internet goin nutz...........

was this the crucial game with the fts?

[drob50]

So.... they said before this game, that since 1985 (the inception of the 2,3,2 format) that in series' that started out 1-1, the winner of game 3 went on to win 92% of the time

Spurs rebounded about as well as I could have hoped for! Now Miami need to do the same in Game 4, however the difference is the Spurs had home court to help their rebound!

[Qwasian]

was this the crucial game with the fts?

"we off that" - jay-z

[murrke03]

So.... they said before this game, that since 1985 (the inception of the 2,3,2 format) that in series' that started out 1-1, the winner of game 3 went on to win 92% of the time

Spurs rebounded about as well as I could have hoped for! Now Miami need to do the same in Game 4, however the difference is the Spurs had home court to help their rebound!

The way the Heat are playing this game likely won't make it back to Miami.

Technically they only need to win one in SA but personally I think they need the next two.

Spurs are in control of this series especially with the way they've been playing.

[murrke03]

"we off that" - jay-z

wait there isn't a conspiracy anymore?

[Burt-Reynolds]

What? You commented on why the Heat kept Lebron, Wade etc in the game on Sunday.

I just explained it.

no, lmfao. not even close to being a rational thought as usual. classic murrke.

i was replying to the people like you, nycfan, and others who were talking about how classy pop was for leaving his 2nd stringers in to run it up on the poor poor miami heats. yet none of you guys were saying anything when your starters were still running it up against 2nd and 3rd stringers, as the s.a. starters were already icing up in game 2. pop waived the white flag already and there was no chance of a comeback.

[murrke03]

no, lmfao. not even close to being a rational thought as usual. classic murrke.

i was replying to the people like you, nycfan, and others who were talking about how classy pop was for leaving his 2nd stringers in to run it up on the poor poor miami heats. yet none of you guys were saying anything when your starters were still running it up against 2nd and 3rd stringers, as the starters were already icing up in game 2. pop waived the white flag already and there was no chance of a comeback.

Well I was joking. Can't talk about anyone else.

But oh well.

[Qwasian]

wait there isn't a conspiracy anymore?

yep, miami is going to win this series....... gauranteed.............. it's just pointless to talk about. we discussed it, you said you don't believe it, so cool, I moved on from it.

[murrke03]

yep, miami is going to win this series....... gauranteed.............. it's just pointless to talk about. we discussed it, you said you don't believe it, so cool, I moved on from it.

How will they win?

Still ft prediction in a key game of your choice or the refs going to help dwade make a shot?

[pac213up]

I expect Miami to bounce back strong but not sure it will be enough. Magic ripped Lebron postgame for passing up all those open shots.

[Qwasian]

How will they win?

Still ft prediction in a key game of your choice or the refs going to help dwade make a shot?

yep, just watch, it has happened pretty much every series of the entire playoffs, you'll see. dwade doesn't have to make a shot, he could die on the court it wouldn't matter.

[fullmetal]

Time to unload some Gary Neal cards? Almost all of the BINs were purchased in the past 30 minutes, some 10-15 times the going rate. I bought the last auto to end before the game started. Won it for less than $2.

[GC1980]

Any talk about this Miami team in the same breath as the greatest teams of all time need to end. Ring or not, and I 100% agree with the postgame team, they just don't have the killer instinct, mental toughness and pride the bulls, showtime lakers and birds celts had.

This was just flat out embarrassing. Lebron is MIA. 15 PTA on 7-21? Without that run of 9 when spurs let up, his night is straight tragic. Wade 7-15? Dang. Hopefully someone gives Kawhi his props. Amazing defense.

[bettydaw1970]

if the series ended today ...
who is the series mvp?

[fullmetal]

I rarely watch our local news. It came on after the game.

The sports portion just aired. The announcer read the highlights. The Spurs have a player named Cow-E Leonard

[bdoody42]

Spurs played amazing tonight... Neal and agreed were amazing. As a team the spurs made the most three pointers in finals history. That won't happen again. That being said they had great ball movement and got good looks. Role players play so much better at home.

The ahead big 3 were horrible as was most the team. Chalmers was scoreless after scoring 19 last game. Miller showed up with 5-5 threes. The majority if the. The Heat looked disinterested and they seem to play better when they're fired up.

[GC1980]

How are you "disinterested" in game 3 of the finals? They lost by 36. That's unprofessional and flat out pathetic. Ring or not, 5-5 in he last 10 and the third worst loss in finals history...terrible.

[rhigh2390]

Well terrible game by the Heat great game by the Spurs.

The spurs are playing way better as a team. Heat are in trouble.

I love how when the heat lose, its never "lebron had a bad night." It's always "the heat had a bad night."

Its never lebrons fault. All hail the great and powerful KING :)

[tristan20]

Who can win a game when the team hits 16 3s?

That was INSANE shooting! Heat came out looking so lazy, Lebron looked a bit sleepy, they gave up too many offensive rebounds. And WADE! For the love of god let him sit the second half please!

Spurs just flattened the heat. Such a huge swing from game two, possibly the largest ever?

[TheFrenzy]

So......when is LeBron going to learn not to mess with Texas??? Poor lil fella, bless his heart.

[tristan20]

Stern wants 7 games lol

[bettydaw1970]

I love how when the heat lose, its never "lebron had a bad night." It's always "the heat had a bad night."

Its never lebrons fault. All hail the great and powerful KING :)

i love bron..he has really played like #@#@#@#@ this series..happy?

[Qwasian]

you know whats the funniest part of this...........

people said lebron had such a great game in the last game of the indiana series, but he played almost EXACTLY the same, he's putting up the same crap numbers the whole time on points........ the only difference is, every now & then they will give him 15 freethrows so it looks like he's playing good, he hasn't been playing well at all...........

if the refs give him the 15 freethrows all the sudden he's playing magical, but he's playing exactly the same.

he's playing huge amounts of minutes and they are running the entire team through him.

he makes a block in a blowout and everybody is drooling......... how about playing aggressive for and entire game when needed? just 1............ I really don't think he's capable of doing so, if you remember when he tried to do it in the past his legs started cramping up and he was having trouble with dehydration etc.

[murrke03]

I love how when the heat lose, its never "lebron had a bad night." It's always "the heat had a bad night."

Its never lebrons fault. All hail the great and powerful KING :)

Lebron did have a bad night. I never said otherwise. The whole team except miller had a bad night hence my comments.

[murrke03]

you know whats the funniest part of this...........

people said lebron had such a great game in the last game of the indiana series, but he played almost EXACTLY the same, he's putting up the same crap numbers the whole time on points........ the only difference is, every now & then they will give him 15 freethrows so it looks like he's playing good, he hasn't been playing well at all...........

if the refs give him the 15 freethrows all the sudden he's playing magical, but he's playing exactly the same.

he's playing huge amounts of minutes and they are running the entire team through him.

he makes a block in a blowout and everybody is drooling......... how about playing aggressive for and entire game when needed? just 1............ I really don't think he's capable of doing so, if you remember when he tried to do it in the past his legs started cramping up and he was having trouble with dehydration etc.

I think what you fail to comprehend is that refs don't only give fts.

The fact that you refer to it like that shows your huge bias.

[rhigh2390]

you know whats the funniest part of this...........

people said lebron had such a great game in the last game of the indiana series, but he played almost EXACTLY the same, he's putting up the same crap numbers the whole time on points........ the only difference is, every now & then they will give him 15 freethrows so it looks like he's playing good, he hasn't been playing well at all...........

if the refs give him the 15 freethrows all the sudden he's playing magical, but he's playing exactly the same.

he's playing huge amounts of minutes and they are running the entire team through him.

he makes a block in a blowout and everybody is drooling......... how about playing aggressive for and entire game when needed? just 1............ I really don't think he's capable of doing so, if you remember when he tried to do it in the past his legs started cramping up and he was having trouble with dehydration etc.

^^^^ Agree. I don't get how the mvp can ask to be taken out of the game in the 4th quarter of game one of the nba finals and still be in conversations with Jordan, Magic, and all the other nba greats.

[tristan20]

you know whats the funniest part of this...........

people said lebron had such a great game in the last game of the indiana series, but he played almost EXACTLY the same, he's putting up the same crap numbers the whole time on points........ the only difference is, every now & then they will give him 15 freethrows so it looks like he's playing good, he hasn't been playing well at all...........

if the refs give him the 15 freethrows all the sudden he's playing magical, but he's playing exactly the same.

he's playing huge amounts of minutes and they are running the entire team through him.

he makes a block in a blowout and everybody is drooling......... how about playing aggressive for and entire game when needed? just 1............ I really don't think he's capable of doing so, if you remember when he tried to do it in the past his legs started cramping up and he was having trouble with dehydration etc.


You need to watch some games sometimes.

Spurs are playing great defense. Lebron can't get into the paint so he is settling for jumpers. Watch the game and you will understand.

Pacers series they allowed him to go one on one. And they were fouling him. Its why he got FTs. Spurs are playing much better D.

But what am I saying, Lebron can score 100 pts and you will find some flaws or excuse why he got it.

[rhigh2390]

You need to watch some games sometimes.

Spurs are playing great defense. Lebron can't get into the paint so he is settling for jumpers. Watch the game and you will understand.

Pacers series they allowed him to go one on one. And they were fouling him. Its why he got FTs. Spurs are playing much better D.

But what am I saying, Lebron can score 100 pts and you will find some flaws or excuse why he got it.

It would be nice to see him even go for 35 in a finals game lol

And also, we are talking about the same guy that can not be stopped by anyone at any time because he is just soooo good. And now you are saying, "oh the spurs defense is just really good."

[tristan20]

It would be nice to see him even go for 35 in a finals game lol

Yeah you can only win with scoring right? Basketball is all about scoring points SML

[murrke03]

Stern wants 7 games lol

Stern wants to go out with a bang!

[Nyfancam01]

If this goes to 7 and I am not off of work, I am calling out.

[tristan20]

It would be nice to see him even go for 35 in a finals game lol

And also, we are talking about the same guy that can not be stopped by anyone at any time because he is just soooo good. And now you are saying, "oh the spurs defense is just really good."

What? dude relax on the hating its making you type crap. Stop TROLLING the thread

[murrke03]

Yeah you can only win with scoring right? Basketball is all about scoring points SML

Points and ft attempts. All that matters. Oh and flopping too.

[murrke03]

The spurs haven't even need Duncan or ginobili to have a good game. That's the key to the series right now.

[rhigh2390]

Yeah you can only win with scoring right? Basketball is all about scoring points SML

Well if you havent noticed, they determine who wins games by how many points they have at the end of 48 mins, so your best player has to score more that 18, 17, and 15. And he is expected to do it on the big stage for 7 games if needed, but he doesnt have it in him.

[Nyfancam01]

Guys... You all know I am a huge James fan... I think he needed a game like tonight... Could turn out to be a real wake up call.

"I need to be better... And I will be better"

I expect 30+ maybe even 40 from him in game 4!

[rhigh2390]

What? dude relax on the hating its making you type crap. Stop TROLLING the thread

lol oh so since I dont think lebron is God, I'm trolling...

[1eyed_jack]

Yeah you can only win with scoring right? Basketball is all about scoring points SML

what does sml mean?

[tristan20]

lol oh so since I dont think lebron is God, I'm trolling...

Not that, read what you wrote and tell me that isn't a trolling comment.

[bettydaw1970]

again i ask...(by gawd its actually about the series, and not hate!!)
who is the series mvp so far?
tough huh?

[drob50]

what does sml mean?
Spurs massacred Lebron! :)!

[rhigh2390]

again i ask...(by gawd its actually about the series, and not hate!!)
who is the series mvp so far?
tough huh?

Its been a different player in every game lol

My opinion:

Game 1- Tony Parker
Game 2- Mario Chalmers
Game 3- Green AND Neal lol

[drob50]

again i ask...(by gawd its actually about the series, and not hate!!)
who is the series mvp so far?
tough huh?

Yes, very tough!

I am going with Kawhi at this stage! Not offensively, but defensively, both On Lebron and on the glass!

[bdoody42]

I can't believe I'm saying this.... Danny Green.

again i ask...(by gawd its actually about the series, and not hate!!)
who is the series mvp so far?
tough huh?

[IamRalpho]

Lebron James has how many MVPs? He has one ring.

He is arguably the best player in the world and he needs a wake up call in the finals?

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!! What a lame excuse. If you can not get up for the finals, how can people compare him to Jordan or even Kobe?

Lebron had a bad game, maybe he had a tummy ache, or Leonard destroyed him.

What a terrible excuse "Oh game 3 of the finals, he just wasnt amped up for it"

Seriously, I hate those excuses. Hes the most amazing player in the world but for some reason he just didnt care enough tonight? Right?

[tristan20]

Got to be Green, definately will draw a defender next game.

[1eyed_jack]

Lebron James has how many MVPs? He has one ring.

He is arguably the best player in the world and he needs a wake up call in the finals?

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!! What a lame excuse. If you can not get up for the finals, how can people compare him to Jordan or even Kobe?

Lebron had a bad game, maybe he had a tummy ache, or Leonard destroyed him.

What a terrible excuse "Oh game 3 of the finals, he just wasnt amped up for it"

Seriously, I hate those excuses. Hes the most amazing player in the world but for some reason he just didnt care enough tonight? Right?

Well said :)!

If you can't get up for a finals series than you might as well retire.

Everyone has bad games, but if this game was a "wake up call" for him, then what does that imply, he's been sleeping? He's been disinterested? Inexcusable.

Lebron is the best player in the game, but the way he's been playing lately has left me confused. He averaged like 27 a game during the regular season and like 16 a game through three finals games.

He very well might come out and score 35 a game and the Heat might win in 6, but that just makes it even more confusing as to what he waited for. He's not being aggressive, he's not putting his stamp on games, he's not playing like the best in the world. Part of it is defense, but the eyes don't lie, he's not playing like he did during the regular season.

[IamRalpho]

Lebron skipping the podium again. He can never man up after losses and talk to the media. Others get killed for it but its cool when he ignore it

[Nyfancam01]

Lebron skipping the podium again. He can never man up after losses and talk to the media. Others get killed for it but its cool when he ignore it

watch ESPN. he talked to a few reporters at his locker.......

[SocraticGoat777]

you know whats the funniest part of this...........

people said lebron had such a great game in the last game of the indiana series, but he played almost EXACTLY the same, he's putting up the same crap numbers the whole time on points........ the only difference is, every now & then they will give him 15 freethrows so it looks like he's playing good, he hasn't been playing well at all...........

if the refs give him the 15 freethrows all the sudden he's playing magical, but he's playing exactly the same.

he's playing huge amounts of minutes and they are running the entire team through him.

he makes a block in a blowout and everybody is drooling......... how about playing aggressive for and entire game when needed? just 1............ I really don't think he's capable of doing so, if you remember when he tried to do it in the past his legs started cramping up and he was having trouble with dehydration etc.


THe commentators are paid by NBA... They wont talk poop about Lebron that easy....

[puregreen5]

THe commentators are paid by NBA... They wont talk poop about Lebron that easy....

True, very true.

[tristan20]

Lebron skipping the podium again. He can never man up after losses and talk to the media. Others get killed for it but its cool when he ignore it

He owned up, what more do you want? Maybe hang him on the cross?

Is the series even over? You guys acting like it is. Its game 3! LOL

[drob50]

Did anyone else catch the Spurs fans trolling the Heat fans? lol

Spurs fans expertly troll Heat fans with a 'Seven Nation Army' chant - SBNation.com (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/11/4421702/spurs-fans-troll-heat-seven-nation-army)

[Nyfancam01]

^ oh cool. They are cool.

Let this series go back to Miami and we'll see who trolls who..... =]

I really hope Miami can somehow start playing ball and pull this one off.

[rookies]

You go to the podium because its chosen by the media who wants them up. NOT BY LEBRON. He was asked not to go. Kinda like last game it was chalmers and lebron thats who they chose.

[drob50]

^ oh cool. They are cool.

Let this series go back to Miami and we'll see who trolls who..... =]

I really hope Miami can somehow start playing ball and pull this one off.

You mean the Spurs have to 'let' the Heat win 1 game in SA??

Then the Heat will chant the seven nation army song, to troll the Spurs fans, but no one will know it is trolling because they usually do that chant anyway??

Maybe the Heat fans will troll the Spurs by mimicking Duncan celebration style:
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTXRggkKdAMdc7Necv2YxXGkzJxn_xGcQx5tJrtgy0uAMzUmLQ-

[Round Mound]

you know whats the funniest part of this...........

people said lebron had such a great game in the last game of the indiana series, but he played almost EXACTLY the same, he's putting up the same crap numbers the whole time on points........ the only difference is, every now & then they will give him 15 freethrows so it looks like he's playing good, he hasn't been playing well at all...........

if the refs give him the 15 freethrows all the sudden he's playing magical, but he's playing exactly the same.

Did you mum threaten you with freethrows or something when you were a kid? It's beyond obsession...

Miami shot an insane extra......oh wait, the Spurs big Three were not put into foul trouble, the Heat did not get 30 FTs...but I forgot, it's only game 3, this game doesn't matter, the refs will be back on game 4. Or game 5. Or game 6. Or you will have a lame excuse again...

[Nyfancam01]

^^^ And no, Drob50.. Why the hell would I say the spurs have to let them win? that Is completely dumb and i'm surprised anybody would think that.. What I am saying is LET this series go back to Miami and we'll see what happens... As in, If it goes back to Miami I think the Heat will win this.

[drob50]

^^^ And no, Drob50.. Why the hell would I say the spurs have to let them win? that Is completely dumb and i'm surprised anybody would think that.. What I am saying is LET this series go back to Miami and we'll see what happens... As in, If it goes back to Miami I think the Heat will win this.

hahahaha! See, I told you Spur fans are better at trolling!

I was expecting the Spurs to win 1/3 home games, hoping for 2! Game 3 is the one game I expected them to win.!

[Hegotgame15]

i know it's kind of douchey to quote yourself, but sometime i feel like i'm a psychic or something, lol.

anyway one thing i will say and i will not drop names to keep this thread from devolving into a pissing match, but the way san antonio is playing bron and wade tonight. giving them like 3-4 ft of space and daring them to shoot it. let's just say their are alot of elite championship level players in the history of this league that you wouldn't dare give that much space to because they would just make it rain out there.

that's why i say lebron's game will not age well. don't get me wrong, he is very much the best player on the planet right at this very moment, no doubt. however i can't ever see him developing into a great shooter. he lives on his athleticism and freak abilities, to get himself close high % looks, but once that leaves him i don't see him turning into a finesse player relying on great footwork and crafty moves to get himself open jumpers.

Lebron's craft is very limited, glad i'm not the only one that sees this!

[thewild3]

Lebron James has how many MVPs? He has one ring.

He is arguably the best player in the world and he needs a wake up call in the finals?

GIVE ME A BREAK!!!!! What a lame excuse. If you can not get up for the finals, how can people compare him to Jordan or even Kobe?

Lebron had a bad game, maybe he had a tummy ache, or Leonard destroyed him.

What a terrible excuse "Oh game 3 of the finals, he just wasnt amped up for it"

Seriously, I hate those excuses. Hes the most amazing player in the world but for some reason he just didnt care enough tonight? Right?

Lebron James = no killer instinct. How can anyone argue Lebron is better than Jordan? Jordan brought it every game in the playoffs.

[Qwasian]

It would be nice to see him even go for 35 in a finals game lol

And also, we are talking about the same guy that can not be stopped by anyone at any time because he is just soooo good. And now you are saying, "oh the spurs defense is just really good."

this is what i'm saying, i'm actually a lebron fan, it's like he just continuously lets down when he's supposed to step up, and even if he has good stats he it just looks like he's sleep walking through it. fans are constantly left to wonder, if you can do all this during the season, where are you in the finals every year.

[Qwasian]

Did you mum threaten you with freethrows or something when you were a kid? It's beyond obsession...

Miami shot an insane extra......oh wait, the Spurs big Three were not put into foul trouble, the Heat did not get 30 FTs...but I forgot, it's only game 3, this game doesn't matter, the refs will be back on game 4. Or game 5. Or game 6. Or you will have a lame excuse again...

all i'm saying is, I will respect miami/lebron for a win "WHEN THEY WIN THE SERIES", "IF" they can perform at top level, I can't give them props for shooting a ton of free throws and stinking it up several games.

[Round Mound]

all i'm saying is, I will respect miami/lebron for a win "WHEN THEY WIN THE SERIES", "IF" they can perform at top level, I can't give them props for shooting a ton of free throws and stinking it up several games.

There's no "IF". You said that the Heat would win and they would get tons of free throws in those important games.

[Qwasian]

Yeah you can only win with scoring right? Basketball is all about scoring points SML

to me, lebron has a talent level in which he shouldn't have to just rely on one style of game..... when your team is clicking you pass it, when your clicking you shoot it, instead he goes into this mode where he wants to be magic johnson even if they are losing, it's like he's stuck in assist mode no matter what, other big stars would say screw this i'm going for 40 and take the game from the other team when it was needed, he just doesn't step up and do that. nobody is saying he has to score 40 a game, but when your team is slumping you need to put them on your back and go for 40 so they don't get so far down they can't come back. 10-15 point lead you need to go for 10 right quick then hand it back to the team. he is very easily capable of doing so. it's like pat riley and spoelstra have engrained this floor general mentality into him so much that he just never turns it on the other way, he just always is playing this team ball situation and relying on the team no matter what. when the team doesn't have it, and you have the greatest, strongest 1 on 1 player in the world you gotta put him on and get those points. points aren't the end all be all, but you do need them to win at the end of the night.

[Qwasian]

There's no "IF". You said that the Heat would win and they would get tons of free throws in those important games.

you didn't clearly read what I said, I still stand by that fact that the heat will win, I said I will only respect it if they do it with floor points not a ton of freethrows, the heat "ARE" going to win this series.

look at the series so far, no reason in the world they should have a game in this series coming up where they shoot a ton of freethrows, it's been pretty much called right down the middle so far. watch it change very soon.

[Round Mound]

you didn't clearly read what I said, I still stand by that fact that the heat will win, I said I will only respect it if they do it with floor points not a ton of freethrows, the heat "ARE" going to win this series.

I did clearly read what you said, I was refering to the numerous times when you swore the Heat would win, and that they would win at the freethrow lane, with the help of refs.

Should I quote you, or is that OK?

I guess game 4 is the one where it's gonna happen? To me at least, it looks like one of those "decisive" game you refer to.

[Round Mound]

look at the series so far, no reason in the world they should have a game in this series coming up where they shoot a ton of freethrows, it's been pretty much called right down the middle so far. watch it change very soon.

So where's this conspiracy about the refs giving tons of freethrows and taking the stars of the opposing team out of the game with quick fouls in the first and second quarters? They could have done that, the game was tied at halftime!

[Qwasian]

I did clearly read what you said, I was refering to the numerous times when you swore the Heat would win, and that they would win at the freethrow lane, with the help of refs.

Should I quote you, or is that OK?

I guess game 4 is the one where it's gonna happen? To me at least, it looks like one of those "decisive" game you refer to.


in my opinion game 4 or 5 it will happen, yes.

[Qwasian]

So where's this conspiracy about the refs giving tons of freethrows and taking the stars of the opposing team out of the game with quick fouls in the first and second quarters? They could have done that, the game was tied at halftime!

coming soon to a theatre near you.:)!

[murrke03]

More points = better player.

Duncan ginobili and Parker are all scrubs this series too.

[Sikkcaden]

Did anyone else catch the Spurs fans trolling the Heat fans? lol

Spurs fans expertly troll Heat fans with a 'Seven Nation Army' chant - SBNation.com (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/2013/6/11/4421702/spurs-fans-troll-heat-seven-nation-army)

I thought that was awesome. I picked up on it immediately.

I swear a lot of people on this forum are new to basketball. Why are people stil talking about the refs and free throws? There's going to be a disparity based on style of play. LeBron spent most of the night shooting lightly contested jumpers. Why would he go to the line?

It's hilarious how people's opinions change after each game. The spurs are a much more disciplined and fundamentally sound team than Miami. Theyve got some great depth and no one seems to be intimidated by the Heat. It's going to be a great rest of the series.

[Qwasian]

More points = better player.

Duncan ginobili and Parker are all scrubs this series too.

completely agree, none of them are playing 40+ minutes though, with the entire team being run through them so there is quite a bit of difference, but I think they should be stepping up too. miami is completely relying on lebron and he's playing the most minutes etc.

[Qwasian]

I swear a lot of people on this forum are new to basketball. Why are people stil talking about the refs and free throws? There's going to be a disparity based on style of play. LeBron spent most of the night shooting lightly contested jumpers. Why would he go to the line?


yeah i'm brand new to basketball i've only played organized basketball for 2 decades and been watching it for just as long. i'm brand new though........

lebron wasn't getting the calls in the lane, bailed out.

once again, his shot attempts were almost identical to the game 7 in indiana when they said he was magical, he just had a ton of freethrows, that was the only difference. he didn't play any better...... the games he has high points, he always has a nice amount of freethrows.

[murrke03]

How dare people compare a great to another great after a bad game.

Jordan Game 6 of NBA Finals 5-for-19, 22 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 turnovers
Kobe Game 1 of NBA Finals 10-for-27, 25 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists
Jordan Game 5 ECF 4-for-8, 18 points, 5 rebounds, 9 assists
Kobe Game 6 of NBA Finals 7-for-22, 22 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 4 turnovers
Jordan Game 5 of NBA Finals 6 for 19, 3 rebounds, 2 ast, 1 steal, 4 TO
Jordan NBA Finals Game 4 11 for 27, 22 pts
Kobe NBA Finals Game 5 8 of 25, 0 rebounds, 2 asts, 3 TO

Thats just a couple.

If you don't think Jordan or Kobe ever had bad finals or playoff games then you are wrong.
Maybe we also shouldn't compare the reality of jordan and kobe to the mythical creatures of jordan and kobe that everybody loves to pretend exist.

[murrke03]

completely agree, none of them are playing 40+ minutes though, with the entire team being run through them so there is quite a bit of difference, but I think they should be stepping up too. miami is completely relying on lebron and he's playing the most minutes etc.

So supporting cast performance does matter.

I thought that was a myth? haha

[Qwasian]

So supporting cast performance does matter.

I thought that was a myth? haha

not once did I ever say that.

[Qwasian]

How dare people compare a great to another great after a bad game.

Jordan Game 6 of NBA Finals 5-for-19, 22 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 turnovers
Kobe Game 1 of NBA Finals 10-for-27, 25 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists
Jordan Game 5 ECF 4-for-8, 18 points, 5 rebounds, 9 assists
Kobe Game 6 of NBA Finals 7-for-22, 22 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 4 turnovers
Jordan Game 5 of NBA Finals 6 for 19, 3 rebounds, 2 ast, 1 steal, 4 TO
Jordan NBA Finals Game 4 11 for 27, 22 pts
Kobe NBA Finals Game 5 8 of 25, 0 rebounds, 2 asts, 3 TO

Thats just a couple.

If you don't think Jordan or Kobe ever had bad finals or playoff games then you are wrong.
Maybe we also shouldn't compare the reality of jordan and kobe to the mythical creatures of jordan and kobe that everybody loves to pretend exist.


the difference is, lebron's performance is pretty much averaging being average...... while kobe/jordan would go off several games. a bad game is 1 thing, but constantly shooting poorly and not doing well etc is a whole other thing.

[Cades]

Lol murrkey in research mode to protect lebron

[LeonfromNC]

How dare people compare a great to another great after a bad game.

Jordan Game 6 of NBA Finals 5-for-19, 22 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 turnovers
Kobe Game 1 of NBA Finals 10-for-27, 25 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists
Jordan Game 5 ECF 4-for-8, 18 points, 5 rebounds, 9 assists
Kobe Game 6 of NBA Finals 7-for-22, 22 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 4 turnovers
Jordan Game 5 of NBA Finals 6 for 19, 3 rebounds, 2 ast, 1 steal, 4 TO
Jordan NBA Finals Game 4 11 for 27, 22 pts
Kobe NBA Finals Game 5 8 of 25, 0 rebounds, 2 asts, 3 TO

Thats just a couple.

If you don't think Jordan or Kobe ever had bad finals or playoff games then you are wrong.
Maybe we also shouldn't compare the reality of jordan and kobe to the mythical creatures of jordan and kobe that everybody loves to pretend exist.

Good stuff there... LeBron will bounce back. He has too much pride to put up another bad gsme... he knows people are bashing him (ex. Magic), so he will not allow the Finals be about what he didnt do or if its his fault they lose....

LeBron is way past due for a big game... hopefully it wont come in game 5 or 6 when its too late.

[Cades]

to me, lebron has a talent level in which he shouldn't have to just rely on one style of game..... when your team is clicking you pass it, when your clicking you shoot it, instead he goes into this mode where he wants to be magic johnson even if they are losing, it's like he's stuck in assist mode no matter what, other big stars would say screw this i'm going for 40 and take the game from the other team when it was needed, he just doesn't step up and do that. nobody is saying he has to score 40 a game, but when your team is slumping you need to put them on your back and go for 40 so they don't get so far down they can't come back. 10-15 point lead you need to go for 10 right quick then hand it back to the team. he is very easily capable of doing so. it's like pat riley and spoelstra have engrained this floor general mentality into him so much that he just never turns it on the other way, he just always is playing this team ball situation and relying on the team no matter what. when the team doesn't have it, and you have the greatest, strongest 1 on 1 player in the world you gotta put him on and get those points. points aren't the end all be all, but you do need them to win at the end of the night.

I dunno I've heard many times that lebron can score 50 anytime he wants or needs to, so he just hasn't wanted or needed to?

[Qwasian]

I dunno I've heard many times that lebron can score 50 anytime he wants or needs to, so he just hasn't wanted or needed to?

that's my point, I agree, he does "NEED TO"..........

[Qwasian]

Good stuff there... LeBron will bounce back. He has too much pride to put up another bad gsme... he knows people are bashing him (ex. Magic), so he will not allow the Finals be about what he didnt do or if its his fault they lose....

LeBron is way past due for a big game... hopefully it wont come in game 5 or 6 when its too late.

it's not one game, he does it constantly. his point average in the playoffs has been cut in half, while his rebounds and assists are up, he has this mentality if his team is playing bad that he should get the going more, but he can't, he just needs to play "HIS GAME".......... because it ends up being when the ship goes down it just completely crashes. instead of him stepping up and saving them with a nice point run.

[groundsupport]

Jordan would have actually made Jumpers if he couldn't get to the rim.

Enough Said.

[murrke03]

Jordan would have actually made Jumpers if he couldn't get to the rim.

Enough Said.

Yeah Jordan was stroking that 11 for 27 game.

What does everyone fail to realize Lebron and Jordan are different types if players.

[LeonfromNC]

it's not one game, he does it constantly. his point average in the playoffs has been cut in half, while his rebounds and assists are up, he has this mentality if his team is playing bad that he should get the going more, but he can't, he just needs to play "HIS GAME".......... because it ends up being when the ship goes down it just completely crashes. instead of him stepping up and saving them with a nice point run.

I agree but just like we are all bashing him game after game, dont you think he is hearing all of it from everyone? Commentators, analysts, fans and probably even teammates. He wont allow this to go on forever... he will come out game 4 and become the "old" LeBron we are used too... at least for his image and legacy, i hope so lol.

[groundsupport]

Yeah Jordan was stroking that 11 for 27 game.

What does everyone fail to realize Lebron and Jordan are different types if players.

Hold on son.

Now go and find a game where Jordan was -32 in the +/- during an NBA Finals game.

When your the best player in the game, HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU -32 WHILE ON THE FLOOR.

There is no excuse.

[Qwasian]

Yeah Jordan was stroking that 11 for 27 game.

What does everyone fail to realize Lebron and Jordan are different types if players.

chime back in when lebron averages 40 in a finals series.......... or scores 35 in the first half in the finals..... then you have something to talk about.

[Qwasian]

I agree but just like we are all bashing him game after game, dont you think he is hearing all of it from everyone? Commentators, analysts, fans and probably even teammates. He wont allow this to go on forever... he will come out game 4 and become the "old" LeBron we are used too... at least for his image and legacy, i hope so lol.

nah, he will shoot crap again and get a ton of freethrows/whistles, just watch, it's been happening the whole time, just like I said earlier, he did it in indiana, had almost exactly the same game, but it was cool and everybody praised him because he shot 15 freethrows and it made his stats look good.

[GC1980]

Big difference between Lebron and Jordan is MJ would ever be so passive throughout 3 NBA finals games. Nearly half the series has gone by and LBJ has yet to do anything to make his team win. Down 2-1 and Mario Chalmers is the one that lead the charge in their only 10 dominant mins of basketball.

His triple double was fine but when his team has struggled, he has been nowhere to be found. Sure Mike had an off shooting night here and there but you pulled 3 games out of 6 finals appearances, and 1 in the ECF (lets not even touch LBJ quitting on Cavs then). Go on basketball reference and look at his numbers across those finals. 30+ per game in the 1st 3 peat on over 50% shooting. Against the Lakers he averaged 30 and 11 on 50%. Unanimous finals MVP every time.

I hate comparing but you can't use 3 bad games over 6 trips (all successful) to defend Lebron's underachieving here.

[groundsupport]

-32 while on the floor.

According to that stat, he was the worst player on the floor last night. Or the least effective.

[murrke03]

chime back in when lebron averages 40 in a finals series.......... or scores 35 in the first half in the finals..... then you have something to talk about.

What part of try aren't the same type of player isn't clear.

Jordan was the better shooter and pure scorer. Lebron isn't at his best when he tries to be Jordan.

[groundsupport]

How many Finals games has it been now in Lebrons Career where he simply didn't show up?


Has to be damn near 10 games.

[ronaldo943]

Yeah Jordan was stroking that 11 for 27 game.

What does everyone fail to realize Lebron and Jordan are different types if players.

Why do you say they are different types of players yet bring up Jordan's bad stats? Also this is common of LeBron before this Finals he used to average only 22pts in the Finals and well now it is probably like 20pts.

[murrke03]

Big difference between Lebron and Jordan is MJ would ever be so passive throughout 3 NBA finals games. Nearly half the series has gone by and LBJ has yet to do anything to make his team win. Down 2-1 and Mario Chalmers is the one that lead the charge in their only 10 dominant mins of basketball.

His triple double was fine but when his team has struggled, he has been nowhere to be found. Sure Mike had an off shooting night here and there but you pulled 3 games out of 6 finals appearances, and 1 in the ECF (lets not even touch LBJ quitting on Cavs then). Go on basketball reference and look at his numbers across those finals. 30+ per game in the 1st 3 peat on over 50% shooting. Against the Lakers he averaged 30 and 11 on 50%. Unanimous finals MVP every time.

I hate comparing but you can't use 3 bad games over 6 trips (all successful) to defend Lebron's underachieving here.

I'm not defending Lebron. He played bad. But for people to come in and say Kobe or Jordan never played bad is a huge lie. I've proven that.

[Qwasian]

What part of try aren't the same type of player isn't clear.

Jordan was the better shooter and pure scorer. Lebron isn't at his best when he tries to be Jordan.

this is what the media/heat want you to believe, I mean? his assists and rebounds are up, points are way down in the finals, and they are losing? so is he at his best as magic? I don't think so personally. if lebron scores 30+ they pretty much win those games. what you have to realize is that everybody would be fine with him not being the same type of player as jordan if we hadn't seen him be jordan all season, as well as sportscenter and other media outlets pushing him as being the best to ever touch a basketball....... if he ain't jordan and he can't do these things, then he's not who they say he is, PERIOD. if you don't perform, your not "IT"...... there is going to be backlash.

[murrke03]

this is what the media/heat want you to believe, I mean? his assists and rebounds are up, points are way down in the finals, and they are losing? so is he at his best as magic? I don't think so personally. if lebron scores 30+ they pretty much win those games. what you have to realize is that everybody would be fine with him not being the same type of player as jordan if we hadn't seen him be jordan all season, as well as sportscenter and other media outlets pushing him as being the best to ever touch a basketball....... if he ain't jordan and he can't do these things, then he's not who they say he is, PERIOD. if you don't perform, your not "IT"...... there is going to be backlash.

Here's where you are wrong.

The media and heat don't get me to believe anything. I've been a basketball fan all my life and I can clearly tell you Lebron and Jordan are different types of players.

[murrke03]

It is humerus that today all people want to talk about is Lebron stinking yet fail to acknowledge the record three point shooting by SA last night.

[groundsupport]

He shot 35% on 32 for 90 shooting in 2007 NBA Finals. 23 Turnovers and only 88 points.

Game 4 against Dallas he was 3 for 11 for 27% shooting for 8 points.

[lionsfan20]

Funny how when Lebron goes OFF he is "the next Jordan" or "the greatest ever" but when he stinks it up "he is not the same type of player" and its "apples to oranges"

[groundsupport]

Hold on son.

Now go and find a game where Jordan was -32 in the +/- during an NBA Finals game.

When your the best player in the game, HOW IN THE HELL ARE YOU -32 WHILE ON THE FLOOR.

There is no excuse.

Waiting for your response Murrke.

Please give me a comparable Jordan Finals Game...

[groundsupport]

Funny how when Lebron goes OFF he is "the next Jordan" or "the greatest ever" but when he stinks it up "he is not the same type of player" and its "apples to oranges"

:)!:)!:)!:)!:)! :flex: :D

[Qwasian]

I'm not defending Lebron. He played bad. But for people to come in and say Kobe or Jordan never played bad is a huge lie. I've proven that.

lebron is averaging 16 for this series. he was 7 for 17 in the game 2 blowout....7 for 16 in the game 1 loss.......... he shot a few more last night for a total of 21 shots only making 7, but he has played consistantly bad the whole time, he was 8 for 17 in the game 7 of the pacers series, they are running the entire offense through him and playing him almost the entire game. his stats should be higher than everyone elses always. or atleast consistantly. if you play pretty much any allstar in the league those amount of minutes they can give you more than lebron is right now.

[Qwasian]

Here's where you are wrong.

The media and heat don't get me to believe anything. I've been a basketball fan all my life and I can clearly tell you Lebron and Jordan are different types of players.

yeah I know, jordan was a winner. lebron can't keep up, or compare in anyway to his legacy.


all i'm saying, if your the greatest, atleast show us some greatness........ lebron hasn't "WENT OFF" at all in the finals....... not a single game............ the good games people claim he had he shot a ton of ft's. still crap scoring.

[groundsupport]

Lebron is about to lose his 3rd NBA Finals.

Enough Said.

[Qwasian]

Lebron is about to lose his 3rd NBA Finals.

Enough Said.

nah they will give him 15-20 freethrows and the team will shoot 40 coming soon, watch.

[groundsupport]

It's San Antonio in 5.

Miami won't win one in San Antonio..

[GC1980]

So now they are different players so that's why Lebron hasn't scored 20 in this series yet. He isn't a shooter like MJ. Come on now. You can't believe that. The man has lead the league in scoring before and has notched plenty of 30+ games. Bottom line, you are MVP of the league, people compare you to the greatest of all time, you do what it takes to win or at least make sure your team doesn't get smacked by 36.

1991 Finals: 31.2 pts, 6.6 rebs, 11.4 ast, 2.8 stls, 1.4 blks, .558 fg.

Looks like a Lebron (reg season) line

[pac213up]

How dare people compare a great to another great after a bad game.

Jordan Game 6 of NBA Finals 5-for-19, 22 points, 9 rebounds, 7 assists, 5 turnovers
Kobe Game 1 of NBA Finals 10-for-27, 25 points, 4 rebounds, 4 assists
Jordan Game 5 ECF 4-for-8, 18 points, 5 rebounds, 9 assists
Kobe Game 6 of NBA Finals 7-for-22, 22 points, 3 rebounds, 1 assist, 1 steal, 4 turnovers
Jordan Game 5 of NBA Finals 6 for 19, 3 rebounds, 2 ast, 1 steal, 4 TO
Jordan NBA Finals Game 4 11 for 27, 22 pts
Kobe NBA Finals Game 5 8 of 25, 0 rebounds, 2 asts, 3 TO

Thats just a couple.

If you don't think Jordan or Kobe ever had bad finals or playoff games then you are wrong.
Maybe we also shouldn't compare the reality of jordan and kobe to the mythical creatures of jordan and kobe that everybody loves to pretend exist.


The difference is that teams were not sagging off of Jordan or Kobe daring them to shoot. The Spurs gave Lebron any open look he wanted beyond 18ft and he turned many of them down. Van Gundy touched on this several times during the game. Magic ripped Lebron not because he missed shots but because he refused to take them.

[groundsupport]

The difference is that teams were not sagging off of Jordan or Kobe daring them to shoot. The Spurs gave Lebron any open look he wanted beyond 18ft and he turned many of them down. Van Gundy touched on this several times during the game. Magic ripped Lebron not because he missed shots but because he refused to take them.


What's that? The greatest player of all time has no confidence in his jumpshot???? :eek: :eek:

lol Lebron is a choke artist on the biggest stage.

[ronaldo943]

What's that? The greatest player of all time has no confidence in his jumpshot???? :eek: :eek:

lol Lebron is a choke artist on the biggest stage.

He really is


These are MJ's career finals average:
MPG FG% 3P% FT% ORB DRB RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
43.0 .481 .368 .806 1.8 4.4 6.0 6.0 1.8 0.66 2.4 2.9 33.6

Can someone please show me the career finals average of LeBron? What is it like 20 ppg and barely shooting above .400?

[pac213up]

yeah I know, jordan was a winner. lebron can't keep up, or compare in anyway to his legacy.


all i'm saying, if your the greatest, atleast show us some greatness........ lebron hasn't "WENT OFF" at all in the finals....... not a single game............ the good games people claim he had he shot a ton of ft's. still crap scoring.

Don't disagree completely but I still believe you are not giving enough credit to a player for creating free throw opportunities.

[GC1980]

He really is


These are MJ's career finals average:
MPG FG% 3P% FT% ORB DRB RPG APG SPG BPG TO PF PPG
43.0 .481 .368 .806 1.8 4.4 6.0 6.0 1.8 0.66 2.4 2.9 33.6

Can someone please show me the career finals average of LeBron? What is it like 20 ppg and barely shooting above .400?

Can't compare, they are different players, one was the GOAT, the other is LBJ :)!

[Qwasian]

Don't disagree completely but I still believe you are not giving enough credit to a player for creating free throw opportunities.

I give him credit, but you go off game is when you have a ton of freethrows and 30 points? that's your best? to me if he has 15 freethrows he should have 40+ points, atleast 35, he should be giving a minimum of 20 floor points since he's in the game 40+ minutes and touches the ball every trip down the floor.

[Sikkcaden]

LeBron is head and shoulders the best player in the league. His game isnt flawless, he is human. He struggled. It happens. It happens way less than it used to.

I would never count out a team with LeBron on it. Even up 21 near the end of the third last night, I honestly thought LeBron was going to carry them back. I feel like most people did.

As much as I dislike LeBron, I refuse to disregard his incredible ability. I hated MJ and Kobe in their prime. I refuse to make that same mistake with LeBron. I am going to enjoy watching his game while we can because we won't get to see it forever. He makes the NBA incredibly interesting. You can't argue that.

[Qwasian]

LeBron is head and shoulders the best player in the league. His game isnt flawless, he is human. He struggled. It happens. It happens way less than it used to.

I would never count out a team with LeBron on it. Even up 21 near the end of the third last night, I honestly thought LeBron was going to carry them back. I feel like most people did.

As much as I dislike LeBron, I refuse to disregard his incredible ability. I hated MJ and Kobe in their prime. I refuse to make that same mistake with LeBron. I am going to enjoy watching his game while we can because we won't get to see it forever. He makes the NBA incredibly interesting. You can't argue that.



the problem is he is really physically gifted and talented at doing alot of different stats, there are guys that blow him out the water at each individual thing but none that can touch him for all around game. he's an all around athlete. and then he has this thing where he doesn't handle big situations well and has failed at them many times back to back to back.......that doesn't translate to what he's advertised as being. all the spurs have to do is have a couple of guys heat up in 4 games and they win, and leonard, duncan, parker, ginobli, green, neal are all capable of heating up.


lebron's stat line is not "HEAD & SHOULDERS" the best in the NBA either....... he's the best all around player, but it isn't by much. the nba has alot of great players.

[murrke03]

The difference is that teams were not sagging off of Jordan or Kobe daring them to shoot. The Spurs gave Lebron any open look he wanted beyond 18ft and he turned many of them down. Van Gundy touched on this several times during the game. Magic ripped Lebron not because he missed shots but because he refused to take them.

Your right. And that's the genius of pops defense. That's exactly how you need to defend Lebron. In the first couple rounds Lebron was shooting very well. He's gone a little cold and the plan is working.

[GC1980]

Your right. And that's the genius of pops defense. That's exactly how you need to defend Lebron. In the first couple rounds Lebron was shooting very well. He's gone a little cold and the plan is working.

So you defend the best player in the game by offering him 17 foot jumpers? That's the genius of pop? It more like a major problem with Lebron. How can you be the GOAT and not knock down open mid ange jump shots in the NBA Finals?

[Sikkcaden]

So you defend the best player in the game by offering him 17 foot jumpers? That's the genius of pop? It more like a major problem with Lebron. How can you be the GOAT and not knock down open mid ange jump shots in the NBA Finals?

Every player has a weakness. Pop is making LeBron play to his.

LeBron's mid-range/three point game has always been inconsistent. Its gotten much better in recent years, but its not quite there yet.






As far as LeBron being head & shoulders better. He is. If you were doing a re-draft, he would be the unanimous #1 pick. You don't even consider anyone else. There's not even a "yeah...but". It's LeBron.

[Qwasian]

So you defend the best player in the game by offering him 17 foot jumpers? That's the genius of pop? It more like a major problem with Lebron. How can you be the GOAT and not knock down open mid ange jump shots in the NBA Finals?


in a sense I think it is kinda genius, they beat other teams with freethrows/foul shooting/driving......... lebron never really knocks down a ton of shots, in any game, I think if they can keep him doing that, the heat can't really win in a series.

[pac213up]

What's that? The greatest player of all time has no confidence in his jumpshot???? :eek: :eek:

lol Lebron is a choke artist on the biggest stage.

I think choke artist is a bit extreme. Lebron has been tremendous for the most part the last couple of seasons in these situations. Early in his career I think the criticism was valid.

[pac213up]

I give him credit, but you go off game is when you have a ton of freethrows and 30 points? that's your best? to me if he has 15 freethrows he should have 40+ points, atleast 35, he should be giving a minimum of 20 floor points since he's in the game 40+ minutes and touches the ball every trip down the floor.

That's a good point. You would expect to see more balance between the two.

[murrke03]

So you defend the best player in the game by offering him 17 foot jumpers? That's the genius of pop? It more like a major problem with Lebron. How can you be the GOAT and not knock down open mid ange jump shots in the NBA Finals?

Like I said Lebron isn't the shooter Jordan was. He's gotten better but is currently a little cold. It happens to all players. Not that complicated really.

The spurs have played Lebron great and teamed with the fact that he's not shooting as well as he did earlier in the playoffs he's struggled offensively.

That doesn't mean Lebron isn't great though.

[pac213up]

Your right. And that's the genius of pops defense. That's exactly how you need to defend Lebron. In the first couple rounds Lebron was shooting very well. He's gone a little cold and the plan is working.

The thing is he has become a very good outside shooter for the most part. They were also giving Wade anything beyond 15ft which I understand because although he is a good scorer his outside game is below avg. Wade passing up those shots makes sense and served him well this season.

I would be absolutely be shocked to see Lebron turning down those shots next game.

[murrke03]

The thing is he has become a very good outside shooter for the most part. They were also giving Wade anything beyond 15ft which I understand because although he is a good scorer his outside game is below avg. Wade passing up those shots makes sense and served him well this season.

I would be absolutely be shocked to see Lebron turning down those shots next game.

I agree. That's the blame Lebron should get. He should be getting blame for not shooting. Not for missing shots.

[Orangejello727]

The key to winning is Wade & Bosh. Without them the Heat and Lebron are just another team.

[Qwasian]

Like I said Lebron isn't the shooter Jordan was. He's gotten better but is currently a little cold. It happens to all players. Not that complicated really.

The spurs have played Lebron great and teamed with the fact that he's not shooting as well as he did earlier in the playoffs he's struggled offensively.

That doesn't mean Lebron isn't great though.

he hasn't been shooting great the entire playoffs really......... his best games he just had a bunch of freethrows.......

[pac213up]

I agree. That's the blame Lebron should get. He should be getting blame for not shooting. Not for missing shots.

Imagine that....we agree on something!

[groundsupport]

I think choke artist is a bit extreme. Lebron has been tremendous for the most part the last couple of seasons in these situations. Early in his career I think the criticism was valid.

How many big games has he no shown in?

He is about to 1-3 in the NBA Finals.

His Record as of right now in the finals is 7-11.

0-4
2-4
4-1
1-2

And 3/4 of that record is with having the Big 3.

7-7 with the Big 3.

[Qwasian]

watching sportscenter..... in the segment with stephen a. smith........ if you look at how he's talking about the defense collapsing on lebron, you see lebron trying to shoot and he has several shots where he could have gotten foul calls and didn't........ this is my main point about the whole being "GIVEN" freethrow shots......... if the whistle starts going his way he plays up to it, and it gets ridiculous.....he shot ZERO, count them, ZERO freethrow shots last night and his game was completely off........ that's what I constantly talk about, his game is always whistlefest..... he doesn't go off on the floor in any of these, he just gets a ton of whistles in his good games.

lebron james was ABSOLUTELY fouled numerous times last night........ no calls....

of course neal & green went off....... but follow lebrons game, he's never playing well or scoring alot unless it's freethrows...... to me that's a league fix type of situation. it should be called even.... it shouldn't be that he gets zero fouls last night and then in game 4 or 5 he gets 15 tap fouls...... it's just grossly unfair from both teams perspective.

[pac213up]

How many big games has he no shown in?

He is about to 1-3 in the NBA Finals.

His Record as of right now in the finals is 7-11.

0-4
2-4
4-1
1-2

And 3/4 of that record is with having the Big 3.

7-7 with the Big 3.

Quite a few early in his career. I though the loss to Dallas really helped him turn the corner. His 11-12 postseason was tremendous, huge performance in a pivotal game against the Celtics and consistent throughout. This postseason has also been tremendous up to the Spurs series. I think these next couple of games will really define what Lebron is or is not. Losing is not really the issue, as that is a team situation. The question will be is he doing everything he can to prevent that.

[Qwasian]

lebron was relatively solid in last years finals, he still shot quite a few free throws in my opinion, and he was under 50% from the floor most of the time, which I never really understand because he shoots alot from close to the rim, dunks etc.... if you take out his dunks and wide open stuff, he "ALWAYS" shoots terrible.

[groundsupport]

Quite a few early in his career. I though the loss to Dallas really helped him turn the corner. His 11-12 postseason was tremendous, huge performance in a pivotal game against the Celtics and consistent throughout. This postseason has also been tremendous up to the Spurs series. I think these next couple of games will really define what Lebron is or is not. Losing is not really the issue, as that is a team situation. The question will be is he doing everything he can to prevent that.

4 losses early in his career.

7 losses as a member of the big 3. All in the last 2 years.

[1eyed_jack]

So you defend the best player in the game by offering him 17 foot jumpers? That's the genius of pop? It more like a major problem with Lebron. How can you be the GOAT and not knock down open mid ange jump shots in the NBA Finals?

Maybe Lebron would feel more comfortable shooting from half-court since he seems to practice those a lot!

[fullmetal]

The key to winning is Wade & Bosh. Without them the Heat and Lebron are just another team.

I think you are correct.

Coach Pop has used unconventional stategies in the past and they've worked more times than not. This series he gives Bosh and Wade more opportunties than they are used to as a trade off to shutting Lebron down offensively. Thus far, it has worked. Outside of the demoralizing third quarter of game two the Spurs have controlled this series.

The Spurs have also shown that they can use 'small ball' and excessive movement and switching to control the tempo OR slow down the tempo and funnel through the inside.

[pac213up]

4 losses early in his career.

7 losses as a member of the big 3. All in the last 2 years.

The question is not about the losses though, it is about his effort in those games. If he is the best player on the court and they lose I do not think you can pin that on him.

[Round Mound]

About this -32 stat for LeBron.

It's not all about LeBron. It's also about the 4 players on the court at the same time. Now don't get me wrong, the Heat are not the Bobcats. But when Jordan had a bad game, he could rely a lot more on the 4 players around him.

All the Spurs have to do at the moment is keep LeBron at bay (they do it very well, props to Leonard and his teammates), the other Heat players don't do squat. It's almost 1 on 5. Whatever your name is, even MJ, you can't score 30 playing 1 on 5.

[Qwasian]

About this -32 stat for LeBron.

It's not all about LeBron. It's also about the 4 players on the court at the same time. Now don't get me wrong, the Heat are not the Bobcats. But when Jordan had a bad game, he could rely a lot more on the 4 players around him.

All the Spurs have to do at the moment is keep LeBron at bay (they do it very well, props to Leonard and his teammates), the other Heat players don't do squat. It's almost 1 on 5. Whatever your name is, even MJ, you can't score 30 playing 1 on 5.

no actually a -32 +/- stat is an individual stat, it is the measure of how good or bad you make your team while on the floor. the rest of the team doesn't effect that stat at all. it's about lebron himself making poor decisions, nothing else, if he played well and the team lost or played exactly the same he wouldn't have that negative stat.

and to act like lebron hasn't relied on the rest of the heat in his wins is simple ridiculous, he has had major help in all wins.........

[SacGWYNN19]

How many big games has he no shown in?

He is about to 1-3 in the NBA Finals.
His Record as of right now in the finals is 7-11.

0-4
2-4
4-1
1-2

And 3/4 of that record is with having the Big 3.

7-7 with the Big 3.

Was last nights game worth three wins? LOL, at bolded comment.

[pac213up]

About this -32 stat for LeBron.

It's not all about LeBron. It's also about the 4 players on the court at the same time. Now don't get me wrong, the Heat are not the Bobcats. But when Jordan had a bad game, he could rely a lot more on the 4 players around him.

All the Spurs have to do at the moment is keep LeBron at bay (they do it very well, props to Leonard and his teammates), the other Heat players don't do squat. It's almost 1 on 5. Whatever your name is, even MJ, you can't score 30 playing 1 on 5.

Jordan played with some fairly average players early in his career and scoring points was never an issue for him. The Starting 5 in 86-87 series against Boston was Dave Corzine, Charles Oakley, John Paxton, Jordan, and Gene Banks. Jordan still dropped 37ppg.

[Qwasian]

Was last nights game worth three wins? LOL, at bolded comment.

his statement means lebron is about to win only 1 of his 4 finals appearances. you read it wrong.

[pac213up]

no actually a -32 +/- stat is an individual stat, it is the measure of how good or bad you make your team while on the floor. the rest of the team doesn't effect that stat at all. it's about lebron himself making poor decisions, nothing else, if he played well and the team lost or played exactly the same he wouldn't have that negative stat.

and to act like lebron hasn't relied on the rest of the heat in his wins is simple ridiculous, he has had major help in all wins.........

It is an individual stat that is impacted by team performance. It is the cumulative total of team +/- while you are on the court.

[Round Mound]

no actually a -32 +/- stat is an individual stat, it is the measure of how good or bad you make your team while on the floor. the rest of the team doesn't effect that stat at all. it's about lebron himself making poor decisions, nothing else, if he played well and the team lost or played exactly the same he wouldn't have that negative stat.

And you want us to believe that you've played/watched basketball for 2 decades :eek::eek:

and to act like lebron hasn't relied on the rest of the heat in his wins is simple ridiculous, he has had major help in all wins.........

Did I say that? No, I just said that he didn't get much help in this particular game.

[SacGWYNN19]

his statement means lebron is about to win only 1 of his 4 finals appearances. you read it wrong.
So this series is over, that is what I am getting at. One game is one game.

Had last nights game been a one point OT loss would the series still be presumed over? I think not. I find these comments hilarious.