Mariota, the real deal?

[val47]

Calling all the QB experts, there is something about the way he plays and lead that makes me think, he maybe the real deal.

[Jedi1823]

He's got the talent, he's humble, and he's got the work ethic to improve. The guy could turn into the next Russell Wilson. I think he's the real deal.

[patchgenie]

yeah, he's pretty good. i always thought he was going to be a superstar. i could see chip kelly trying to trade some picks/players to get him in the draft.

[freethrowtommy]

Too early to tell.

He looks real good in college though.

A lot will depend on where he goes, the players around him, and most importantly, a good qb coach.

[ajlaxmn]

Definitely appears to have good character traits, hard working, humble, respectful. Very athletic and talented. I just wonder, he's always had weapons around him, fast and talented guys, players that were much more talented than their opponents at the college level. Will his game transition to the NFL? Russell has an amazing defense and a good run game, may not be what Mariotta gets when he is drafted top 5? I have only seen him play a few times (last night included), is he a good enough pocket passer to be an effective NFL QB?

[preakness]

Calling all the QB experts, there is something about the way he plays and lead that makes me think, he maybe the real deal.

Sorry I'm no QB expert but I'm sure there's 1,000s on the board

I'm more of a flanker expert



Marcus M should do fine depending on where he goes and what scheme they use.
Kid seems to be a winner so that's a plus

[mwash1983]

Overrated talent playing in a spread offense. I find it hard to see him translate to the NFL, he also doesn't appear to have great arm strength and gets a ton of his yards and completions in short distance areas. He missed on a lot of deep throws yesterday sans the TD toss. Saw some people compare him to Rodgers, but saw on an NFL draft forum some Alex Smith with better wheels comps.

[MLH]

My specialty is Punters, specifically backup Punters, but I will say he's got all the tools and the right mindset to be solid in the NFL.

[mwash1983]

2015 NFL Draft: Mariota not as good, Winston not as bad as you think - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24929951/nfl-draft-mariota-not-as-good-winston-not-as-bad-as-you-think)

[deltapi1049]

He is a project, and at the top of the draft, there is a very short leash for these types of things. If he could sit for a year or two, it would be different, but that isnt the way it works these days.

Most of the teams drafting at the top of the draft wont give them the time to mature, so you end up with more busts than champions. The good thing is that Football seems to be at the top of his priority list, unlike some other recent top draft picks, which may allow him to pick things up more quickly.

[MLH]

2015 NFL Draft: Mariota not as good, Winston not as bad as you think - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24929951/nfl-draft-mariota-not-as-good-winston-not-as-bad-as-you-think)

A lot of what was said comes down to gameplanning. Plus, this is the time of year when the same writers who were blowing sunshine up a player's azz all year begin to tear them down until draft day. I know, we're only speculating here but there are so many variables that lead up to a rookie qb's success or failure that i'm not going to take everything written as gospel.

[blevins26]

He is a project, and at the top of the draft, there is a very short leash for these types of things. If he could sit for a year or two, it would be different, but that isnt the way it works these days.

Most of the teams drafting at the top of the draft wont give them the time to mature, so you end up with more busts than champions. The good thing is that Football seems to be at the top of his priority list, unlike some other recent top draft picks, which may allow him to pick things up more quickly.

My thoughts watching him are that his accuracy isn't NFL caliber but he's a good athlete and has a solid mental make-up. I'd spend a top 5 pick on him because it's just a chance you have to take in the NFL.

I'm of the opinion that you never take a guy with character flaws in the 1st or 2nd round, no matter how talented they are and, conversely, a guy with great character can be a risk worth taking early.

So, I wouldn't take Jameis at all in the 1st round. I'd take Mariota top 5.

[ajlaxmn]

2015 NFL Draft: Mariota not as good, Winston not as bad as you think - CBSSports.com (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/nfl-draft-scout/24929951/nfl-draft-mariota-not-as-good-winston-not-as-bad-as-you-think)

Winston didn't look that bad. Thought he was a better scrambler though? Maybe he is just didn't resort to it that game. I don't watch a lot of College Football, but he looked like he had a good arm and was accurate. Again, I don't watch a lot of college ball, if any, I just try to take in what I see and combine that with what people write or report and come to my own uneducated nowhere near professional opinion.

[achilles01987]

Seems like a system guy.

[jasoncardmonger]

He is the 2015 version of Johnny Football, not going to do much in the pros but some team will take a chance on him. I think both have similar styles that rely on their running ability and to improvise on the run, that just does not work in the NFL.

I just wish we could have heard the audio when Manziel got tackled and hurt because you would have heard Kuechly say "Son this is not college".

[blevins26]

Seems like a system guy.


I agree with this but if you are Tampa or Tennessee I just don't see how you pass on him.

[val47]

My specialty is Punters, specifically backup Punters, but I will say he's got all the tools and the right mindset to be solid in the NFL.

Lol :p:p......

[Kingschwab4215]

If you're taking nothing but pure football talent into account, Jameis is the pick for me. I came away from the game yesterday more impressed with him than Marcus. He was making professional throws all over the field. Marcus just feels like a system QB to me. I'd love to be wrong, though. I'm a fan.

[milwaukeeb]

If you're taking nothing but pure football talent into account, Jameis is the pick for me. I came away from the game yesterday more impressed with him than Marcus. He was making professional throws all over the field. Marcus just feels like a system QB to me. I'd love to be wrong, though. I'm a fan.

I was thinking the same thing. Even though Oregon won, Winston looked more NFL ready (accurate quick outs to the sideline, strong arm, decent wheels but only uses it as his second option). Mariota was not accurate, plays in a system where the 1st option is almost always open, and runs too much to last long in the NFL. Like was said before, Russell Wilson is a good QB but is more of a product of his very fortunate environment.

[BostonNut]

Calling all the QB experts, there is something about the way he plays and lead that makes me think, he maybe the real deal.

I believe you are looking for NeedChapmans.

[fsu2007]

If chip kelly can pull off a coup and get him he will do fine in the nfl. If Tennessee or Tampa takes him he will be on the pac 12 network in 3 years like Tim Tebow

[MI Rob]

Watched a few games this year, he's a good college player.

[IronMonkey415]

Has a nice chiseled jaw

[bballcollector]

If you're taking nothing but pure football talent into account, Jameis is the pick for me. I came away from the game yesterday more impressed with him than Marcus. He was making professional throws all over the field. Marcus just feels like a system QB to me. I'd love to be wrong, though. I'm a fan.

I'm with you on this 100%.

[ChicoCheese]

So tough to say as being a star in college is almost like being cat among mice. Only so many are good enough to make it to the NFL, let alone make a solid career in the NFL. The true test will be once he gets to the NFL.

[Wolves4Life]

Can't really say about Mariota, A TON of people called Luck the next big thing and he's been far from it. Luck's been good but he hasn't won anything yet so no one can say what Mariota will be. It takes time to see how a guy will pan out.

[bballcollector]

Can't really say about Mariota, A TON of people called Luck the next big thing and he's been far from it. Luck's been good but he hasn't won anything yet so no one can say what Mariota will be. It takes time to see how a guy will pan out.

This post is just stupid.

[THE(NEXT)LEVEL]

Can't really say about Mariota, A TON of people called Luck the next big thing and he's been far from it. Luck's been good but he hasn't won anything yet so no one can say what Mariota will be. It takes time to see how a guy will pan out.

:coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee:

[Wolves4Life]

This post is just stupid.

What exactly has Luck done to warrant him being the next anything? Thank you. Yes you can't blame a QB for how bad his o-line or Defense is which is why the whole Mariota being the real deal talk is absurd.

[bballcollector]

What exactly has Luck done to warrant him being the next anything? Thank you. Yes you can't blame a QB for how bad his o-line or Defense is which is why the whole Mariota being the real deal talk is absurd.

Just stop posting before you look even dumber.

[fullmetal]

I'm not a Luck disciple either. Mariota is amazing in the Oregon system that is structured perfectly for his strengths. I can't think of a similar NFL system. Will a team overhaul theirs just for him? Too early to know?

Jameis appears to be leaning on another year in college. He said last year he would not leave before finishing his undergraduate degree. He is scheduled to graduate December 2015.

[kyle1707]

Vince Young was one of the greatest COLLEGE qb I have ever seen...

Will he be Russell Wilson or VY?

The game is so different from college to Pro....

I like him so much more then Winston... I think we will see a huge bust in Winston in the pros...

He will implode when his team goes 4-12...

[Wolves4Life]

Just stop posting before you look even dumber.

I'm guessing...no. Can't take the truth? I guess the guys that want to sell their Luck cards if he ever actually wins something don't like to hear the truth. Plus if you can't tell I am saying you can't judge a guy by a college career and yes Luck hasn't done anything....yet but he's still relatively young and has a ton of potential but he's yet to do anything with it.

[eaglescubs555]

If nobody wants him, the Eagles will gladly take him.

[Wolves4Life]

If nobody wants him, the Eagles will gladly take him.

So Eagles will still miss the playoffs. Offense didn't hurt Eagles last year. Horrible defense did.

[fullmetal]

Vince Young was one of the greatest COLLEGE qb I have ever seen...

Will he be Russell Wilson or VY?

The game is so different from college to Pro....

I like him so much more then Winston... I think we will see a huge bust in Winston in the pros...

He will implode when his team goes 4-12...

Is your last prognostication based on your personal dislike or on his performances? He has shown he can perform at a super high level when placed in challenging situations and when the masses are critical of him. Those are leadership qualities in any industry.

[ManInTheMirror]

So Eagles will still miss the playoffs. Offense didn't hurt Eagles last year. Horrible defense did.
Who are you? You are a moron.

[kyle1707]

Can't really say about Mariota, A TON of people called Luck the next big thing and he's been far from it. Luck's been good but he hasn't won anything yet so no one can say what Mariota will be. It takes time to see how a guy will pan out.

14,000 yards and 100 tds in 3 years... rushing and throwing..

is this one of the greatest starts in nfl history?

I don't understand all these luck over rated comments...

[eaglescubs555]

So Eagles will still miss the playoffs. Offense didn't hurt Eagles last year. Horrible defense did.

Sanchez and Foles had more INT's than any QB in the NFL.

Plenty of good CB's in FA this year.

[Wolves4Life]

Who are you? You are a moron.

Clearly you are someone who never watched Eagles then. Or you missed Cowboys burning the eagles time and time again or Redskins burning the eagles defense and eliminated them from the playoffs. Don't try and act all cool when you know I am right. Eagles defense is why Eagles are watching the playoffs at home.

[Wolves4Life]

Sanchez and Foles had more INT's than any QB in the NFL.

Plenty of good CB's in FA this year.

CB's are not the only need, Eagles barely got any pressure during Cowboys or Skins games that eliminated them from playoffs. They need to revamp their defense.

[kyle1707]

Is your last prognostication based on your personal dislike or on his performances? He has shown he can perform at a super high level when placed in challenging situations and when the masses are critical of him. Those are leadership qualities in any industry.

Winston?

No I don't dislike him.. I feel bad for him actually.. I was In college 15 years ago.. lived in a house with 10 guys... So glad everything we did was not front page news... he is a kid making mistakes....

my concern is..

slower release then people realize.
almost always out of gun.
his 20-25 yard outs seem to come out so slow to wr
seems no to read through defenses always looking for 1 guy
loves to dink and dunk down the field...

I just don't see a top 1-5 pick in the nfl... But the NFL loves to draft qbs way to high

geno
manuel
tebow
manziel
vince young
matt leinart

on and on...

[Wolves4Life]

14,000 yards and 100 tds in 3 years... rushing and throwing..

is this one of the greatest starts in nfl history?

I don't understand all these luck over rated comments...

NO ONE has said Luck is overrated. If the team I cheered for didn't have a HOF QB I like anyone without a HOF QB would take Luck. Luck however disappears when the playoffs roll around which is frustrating unless your team is playing the Colts. I like Luck and still think he can be good but RIGHT NOW he's shown nothing that says he's next big thing but he's only 3 years into his NFL career so PLENTY of time to improve but I am saying RIGHT NOW he has yet to show he can win when it matters, He might be Bengals this week which wouldn't be a shock since Bengals suck and probably without Green but let's see how he does if he makes it to Divisional round.

[eaglescubs555]

CB's are not the only need, Eagles barely got any pressure during Cowboys or Skins games that eliminated them from playoffs. They need to revamp their defense.

You must have not watched any games if you thought the D-Line was the problem.

[Wolves4Life]

You must have not watched any games if you thought the D-Line was the problem.

In their games of need the d-line (and rest of defense) was the problem. D-Line played good early on in the year but when Eagles needed it the most it disappeared. In their final 2 losses they only got 5 sacks and 1 pick total. Defense should have been WAY better than that especially against Redskins.

[jasoncardmonger]

NO ONE has said Luck is overrated. If the team I cheered for didn't have a HOF QB I like anyone without a HOF QB would take Luck. Luck however disappears when the playoffs roll around which is frustrating unless your team is playing the Colts. I like Luck and still think he can be good but RIGHT NOW he's shown nothing that says he's next big thing but he's only 3 years into his NFL career so PLENTY of time to improve but I am saying RIGHT NOW he has yet to show he can win when it matters, He might be Bengals this week which wouldn't be a shock since Bengals suck and probably without Green but let's see how he does if he makes it to Divisional round.

So for clarification you base your comment "Luck has yet to do anything" on games/championships won and not statistics? And for the record, I have no skin in the game when it comes to Andrew Luck.

[danmecum51]

I'm excited for Mariotas career as a duck fan. can't be any worse than Clemens, Akili Smith, Dennis Dixon or Joey Harringtons :)

[IowaCubs1]

I like Mariota. A lot of tools to look forward to when he arrives in the NFL. We won't know if he will be a "bust" or a "stud" until he plays. I think, though, he has the potential to be a solid NFL QB if put in the right system!

[IowaCubs1]

I'm not a Luck disciple either. Mariota is amazing in the Oregon system that is structured perfectly for his strengths. I can't think of a similar NFL system. Will a team overhaul theirs just for him? Too early to know?

Jameis appears to be leaning on another year in college. He said last year he would not leave before finishing his undergraduate degree. He is scheduled to graduate December 2015.

According to his dad, Jameis is entering NFL Draft per espn today. I think he will be a bust or he will be in jail within the first season. hah, Not a fan but who knows how he'll do.

[cadillac540]

The Eagles should just trade up with Tampa and draft him :cool:

[Wolves4Life]

The Eagles should just trade up with Tampa and draft him :cool:

Be prepared to give up Maclin at the most. Eagles early 20's pick won't do it.

[k13]

14,000 yards and 100 tds in 3 years... rushing and throwing..

is this one of the greatest starts in nfl history?

I don't understand all these luck over rated comments...

14k garbage yards....against garbage teams....When behind...green light always on...

Yards don't count for #@#@#@#@ these days since the nfl is a joke where you can't touch qb or play defense.

Plays in dome in worst division in history...

Loses to every good team especially on the road...

86.6 career qb rating is terrible....equivalent to 70 when real football was played. Worst that matt Schaub

just people in the hobby want to hype him and sell him.

Anyway, let's enjoy another luck loss in the playoffs against some real teams outside.....so we can hear it's the teams fault even though he'll throw his two usual picks..

[chansen10]

Be prepared to give up Maclin at the most. Eagles early 20's pick won't do it.

Ha eagles don't have enough. Maclin eagles pick net two years isn't even enough.

[Clarka3]

i haven't watched enough to make a solid judgement that i'd be confident in. That being said, he does look like a system guy. However, that system *could* work for him in the NFL, ala Alex Smith type guy with maybe better wheels?

[Devi8or]

Be prepared to give up Maclin at the most. Eagles early 20's pick won't do it.

Maclin isn't under contract at the end of the year, so good luck with that

supposedly the price isn't as expensive as the RG3 trade according to reports. People are unwilling to give up that kid of haul it sounds like. I still don't expect it to happen, but it sounds like its not as much as people would initially think

[arkeeper]

Oregon's Marcus Mariota can make case for greatest QB of all time - ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/82814/marcus-mariota-can-make-case-for-greatest-qb-of-all-time)

He leads the nation in Total QBR, ESPN.com's advanced metric for measuring a QB's efficiency and overall effectiveness, by a wide margin, and his 91.7 rating is third best since 2004. He finished ranked second in QBR the previous two seasons to Heisman winners Jameis Winston of Florida State and Johnny Manziel of Texas A&M. Those QBR numbers rank 10th and 17th of all time, making him the only QB since 2004 to have three seasons ranked in the top 20.

The same lofty measures hold true with standard QB efficiency ratings. Mariota is No. 1 this season after ranking seventh in 2013 and 2012. Those ratings rank 6th, 55th and 97th all-time (since 1956). His career efficiency rating ranks second all-time behind Oklahoma's Sam Bradford.

Mariota has been responsible for more touchdowns (134) and racked up more yards of total offense (12,661) than any other player in Pac-12 history. He has thrown a touchdown pass in all 40 career starts, the second-longest streak in FBS history. He is on pace to set the FBS record for career interception percentage, as only 13 of his 1,130 career attempts have been picked off (1.15 percent).

That last one is crazy