Does Durant ever get back on top?

[tjforce]

About 18 month ago the talk was that Durant had surpassed LeBron and it was now his league.

Fast forward to now and it's debatable whether or not he's even the alpha of his team, and he's hardly even mentioned as best player on the planet.

Does he ever get back to the point were people talk about the league being his?

[joem1cha3l]

Yeah, hes not even the best player on his team anymore.

I dont see it happening again unless he signs somewhere like LA next year and can stay healthy.

[Kobe101]

I do he's quietly putting up monster stats and he is efficient. He's still top 3 player in my opinion.

And how is he not better then Westbrook ?

KD- 27-8-4 while shooting 53% and 42% from three

Westbrook is 25-7-9 but he's shooting 46% and 30% from 3

I know who I would rather have.

[pennywise]

Seriously. The talk about Westbrook being better than KD is a joke. Durant doesn't have the highest basketball IQ but compared to Westbrook, he looks like Einstein.

Durant is definitely the best player on his team and a top 10 player in the league, arguably a top 5. If he stays healthy this year, he'll be right up there with Curry and LeBron in the media's conversation of "best" player in the league.

[inopethflames]

i dont know any argument from any basketball person where he would not be a top 5 player, probably top 3. you could say lebron, curry, then durant. he is ahead of anthony davis at this point and ahead of westbrook overall also. he is probably the 3rd best player in the league and its not like he couldnt avg 35 ppg if he wanted to. he just needs to stay healthy for the next few years, especially this year, and if he could lead okc to a title he would be on fire in the hobby and in real life.

[Bonaflyd]

i dont know any argument from any basketball person where he would not be a top 5 player, probably top 3. you could say lebron, curry, then durant. he is ahead of anthony davis at this point and ahead of westbrook overall also. he is probably the 3rd best player in the league and its not like he couldnt avg 35 ppg if he wanted to. he just needs to stay healthy for the next few years, especially this year, and if he could lead okc to a title he would be on fire in the hobby and in real life.

IMO. Curry is a hell of a ball player but even he isn't a top 5 player in this league. Is what he doing fantastic? Yes. Is he a great great ball player? Yes.

Would I take durant Westbrook Lebron Davis kawhi and possibly Drummond over him if starting a team today? Absolutely , not a slight on curry dude is a beast, but give me a few of these guys over curry

[xavieronly1]

Too much focus on GS and Curry. We don't even talk about Spurs's defense (possible the best in the NBA history). We don't talk about Thunders even though Durant's PER is 29, and Westbrook's PER is 30.

[rookies]

Just wait till warriors lose in playoffs.

[Qwasian]

IMO. Curry is a hell of a ball player but even he isn't a top 5 player in this league. Is what he doing fantastic? Yes. Is he a great great ball player? Yes.

Would I take durant Westbrook Lebron Davis kawhi and possibly Drummond over him if starting a team today? Absolutely , not a slight on curry dude is a beast, but give me a few of these guys over curry

they won the championship, you can't do better than that, I think sometimes people forget that factor, that the championship is the goal, curry has the win factor over many of the other guys you mentioned and he fills the seats better than alot of them as well, if i'm starting a team i'd take curry over anybody in the league because he's an elite player, a guard, has won a championship, and fills the seats, you can't ask for more, he's easily the most exciting by a mile, even past lebron, lebron is a pretty boring player to watch.

[Bonaflyd]

they won the championship, you can't do better than that, I think sometimes people forget that factor, that the championship is the goal, curry has the win factor over many of the other guys you mentioned and he fills the seats better than alot of them as well, if i'm starting a team i'd take curry over anybody in the league because he's an elite player, a guard, has won a championship, and fills the seats, you can't ask for more, he's easily the most exciting by a mile, even past lebron, lebron is a pretty boring player to watch.

Not taking anything away from the chef, he's a beast

[bballcollector]

IMO. Curry is a hell of a ball player but even he isn't a top 5 player in this league. Is what he doing fantastic? Yes. Is he a great great ball player? Yes.

Would I take durant Westbrook Lebron Davis kawhi and possibly Drummond over him if starting a team today? Absolutely , not a slight on curry dude is a beast, but give me a few of these guys over curry

You locoooo.

[Kingofkings1281]

IMO. Curry is a hell of a ball player but even he isn't a top 5 player in this league. Is what he doing fantastic? Yes. Is he a great great ball player? Yes.

Would I take durant Westbrook Lebron Davis kawhi and possibly Drummond over him if starting a team today? Absolutely , not a slight on curry dude is a beast, but give me a few of these guys over curry

I'd take AD for sure over Curry right now based on the long term. I'd take LeBron over him if we're talking about the next couple of years. Westbrook is highly debatable and the other two aren't even close.

[regularp]

IMO. Curry is a hell of a ball player but even he isn't a top 5 player in this league. Is what he doing fantastic? Yes. Is he a great great ball player? Yes.

Would I take durant Westbrook Lebron Davis kawhi and possibly Drummond over him if starting a team today? Absolutely , not a slight on curry dude is a beast, but give me a few of these guys over curry

http://www.reactiongifs.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/mj-laughing.gif

This guy's furious. Going from thread to thread to sh1t on Curry.

[Bonaflyd]

I'd take AD for sure over Curry right now based on the long term. I'd take LeBron over him if we're talking about the next couple of years. Westbrook is highly debatable and the other two aren't even close.

Give me Leonard any day over curry, and twice on sundays

[DukeU4]

when Durant goes to Washington and plays with wall

[Kingofkings1281]

Give me Leonard any day over curry, and twice on sundays

I'd love to hear your reasoning behind that one. Leonard is a better defender and has the ability to guard multiple positions, but Curry is better in literally every other department. I'm not a huge fan of Curry, but I'll give credit where it's due.

[exoticprince]

KD is more valuable than WB and it's not even a question. But PG13 is the next big thing

[Rip67vdub]

Just wait till warriors lose in playoffs.

http://www.chud.com/community/content/type/61/id/195232/width/500/height/1000/flags/LL

[bbplaya11]

IMO. Curry is a hell of a ball player but even he isn't a top 5 player in this league. Is what he doing fantastic? Yes. Is he a great great ball player? Yes.

Would I take durant Westbrook Lebron Davis kawhi and possibly Drummond over him if starting a team today? Absolutely , not a slight on curry dude is a beast, but give me a few of these guys over curry

The fact you said absolutely is hilarious, curry the best player in the nba and its not really close

[tmar214]

The fact you said absolutely is hilarious, curry the best player in the nba and its not really close

Has to be kind of close no ? Durant rarely in the best player Conversation.

Averaging 26/7.5/4.5 on similar shooting and efficiency.

Vs curry 30.8/5.4/6.3

[pingbling23]

its only going to hurt him staying with westbrooke. while westbrooke is a tremendous talent, he makes poor decisions. i get sick of seeing a wide open durant and westbrooke going into chuchbrooke mode.

[bdrr]

Westbrook top
Durant bottom

Oh, that's not what you meant?

[Zacy87]

He won't make it back to the top with the blackhole aka Westbrook by his side.

[pac213up]

He is scoring 26 ppg with a TS of 65% and putting up good numbers in rebounds and assists. He is as good as anyone in the league right now.

[Rareairx23]

Just my opinion but yes he definitely could return to the top, hes just too good

[Zacy87]

Give me Leonard any day over curry, and twice on sundays

You're a joke lol.

[jcardstore]

I'd love to hear your reasoning behind that one. Leonard is a better defender and has the ability to guard multiple positions, but Curry is better in literally every other department. I'm not a huge fan of Curry, but I'll give credit where it's due.

I'd say that Leonards defensive ability and intelligence is so far above Curry that it negates the extra offense Curry give you. Kawhi could definitely average 25-26 a game if he wanted to but he's an unselfish player in an excellent system.

Kawhi is averaging ~21/7/3/2/1 while shooting 50%+ from the field a ridiculous 47% from 3 and 88.5% FT. That's a pretty insane line if you ask me.

Just looked it up, his Offensive rating is only 2 below Curry at 123 and his defensive rating is 9! points lower at 91 just in case anyone wants to try and point out how amazing Curry is defensively.

Full disclosure, I don't hate Curry I think he's a great player just super over-hyped.

[currycurrycurry]

I'd say that Leonards defensive ability and intelligence is so far above Curry that it negates the extra offense Curry give you. Kawhi could definitely average 25-26 a game if he wanted to but he's an unselfish player in an excellent system.

Kawhi is averaging ~21/7/3/2/1 while shooting 50%+ from the field a ridiculous 47% from 3 and 88.5% FT. That's a pretty insane line if you ask me.

Just looked it up, his Offensive rating is only 2 below Curry at 123 and his defensive rating is 9! points lower at 91 just in case anyone wants to try and point out how amazing Curry is defensively.

Full disclosure, I don't hate Curry I think he's a great player just super over-hyped.


Id like to know how you figured out their intelligence?

[jcardstore]

Id like to know how you figured out their intelligence?

This is the type of response that someone who can't argue against statistics uses but still feels the need to defend Curry at all costs.

One could make the connection that such a large gap in defensive rating would also lead to a gap in defensive intelligence as well. Things like knowing the strengths and weaknesses of the opposing player you're guarding, effectively playing passing lanes, communication on the floor... etc

Your cheap jab at one word I used just shows your total lack of argument.

[Brobocop]

This is the type of response that someone who can't argue against statistics uses but still feels the need to defend Curry at all costs.

One could make the connection that such a large gap in defensive rating would also lead to a gap in defensive intelligence as well. Things like knowing the strengths and weaknesses of the opposing player you're guarding, effectively playing passing lanes, communication on the floor... etc

Your cheap jab at one word I used just shows your total lack of argument.

In fairness, you are arguing against someone who goes by the name "currycurrycurry." I don't know if you can rely on a serious debate over how good Steph Curry is with a user name like that.

[xavieronly1]

I'd say that Leonards defensive ability and intelligence is so far above Curry that it negates the extra offense Curry give you. Kawhi could definitely average 25-26 a game if he wanted to but he's an unselfish player in an excellent system.

Kawhi is averaging ~21/7/3/2/1 while shooting 50%+ from the field a ridiculous 47% from 3 and 88.5% FT. That's a pretty insane line if you ask me.

Just looked it up, his Offensive rating is only 2 below Curry at 123 and his defensive rating is 9! points lower at 91 just in case anyone wants to try and point out how amazing Curry is defensively.

Full disclosure, I don't hate Curry I think he's a great player just super over-hyped.

Same as Curry, Kawhi's high efficiency has a lot to do with their teams. Curry gets great team, and so does Kawhi.

Can Kawhi drop 25+ points on average while having this efficiency (50/40/90) and being the DPOY? It is really pushing. Maybe for a good month, but it is hard to do for 82 games.

For now, I would just compare their stats exactly what they are today. Curry is better on offensive end. Kawhi is better on defensive end. It is hard to draw conclusion based on "what if Kawhi gets more usage" theory.

[GC1980]

How did this become a Curry debate? Can Durant get there? Absolutely, IF he can stay healthy and go deep in the playoffs. He is still an all world talent on offense and a sneaky underrated defender.

I'm not sure I would say Westbrook is a black hole when he is currently second in the league in assists and rocking an insanely high assist rate. He is still prone to taking poor shots and turning the ball over too much but his shooting percentages are up and he is passing and playing a much more efficient and controlled game as of late. Thunder have issues but I don't think they are centered around Russ as much as many people want to play that angle.

As far as Kawhi? He is a great player and one of my favorites but he is as much if not more a function of his system than Curry. I agree though that a true lock down/elite defensive player that can still get you 20+ ppg and a handful of rebounds is a great piece. He has all the potential to be this generations Scottie Pippen (a better shooter though).

Sneaky fun fact, Kawhi is shooting a higher percentage from 3 than Curry.

[GC1980]

You're a joke lol.

I agree that saying it so definitively is a bit ridiculous but it's certainly worth debating.

Kawhi is averaging 21/7/3/2/1 on .506/.475/.885. Those shooting splits are pretty insane when you consider he is also the leagues premier wing defender.

[elee712]

In fairness, you are arguing against someone who goes by the name "currycurrycurry." I don't know if you can rely on a serious debate over how good Steph Curry is with a user name like that.

The same can be said about Cleveland / Lebron Fans in that if you mention anything negative about Lebron, the pitchforks will all come out.

[xavieronly1]

How did this become a Curry debate? Can Durant get there? Absolutely, IF he can stay healthy and go deep in the playoffs. He is still an all world talent on offense and a sneaky underrated defender.

I'm not sure I would say Westbrook is a black hole when he is currently second in the league in assists and rocking an insanely high assist rate. He is still prone to taking poor shots and turning the ball over too much but his shooting percentages are up and he is passing and playing a much more efficient and controlled game as of late. Thunder have issues but I don't think they are centered around Russ as much as many people want to play that angle.

As far as Kawhi? He is a great player and one of my favorites but he is as much if not more a function of his system than Curry. I agree though that a true lock down/elite defensive player that can still get you 20+ ppg and a handful of rebounds is a great piece. He has all the potential to be this generations Scottie Pippen (a better shooter though).

Sneaky fun fact, Kawhi is shooting a higher percentage from 3 than Curry.

Kawhi high 3% is due to Spurs system. 94.8% of his 3s comes from assist. Curry only has 61.2% of his 3s comes from assist.

[Stat Monsters]

Players come, players pinnacle, players go...

...Larry Johnson, Derek Coleman, Shawn Kemp, etc.

Some due to injuries, others due to team chemistry and playing as a team, so maybe not trying to be a ball hog for the stats.

Maybe Durant's better days are behind him in terms of being the dominant stat leader in the league, and he's far from being done, but to answer the question of "ever getting back on top" meaning leading a stat category, maybe so.

[GC1980]

Kawhi high 3% is due to Spurs system. 94.8% of his 3s comes from assist. Curry only has 61.2% of his 3s comes from assist.

In no way am I implying Kawhi is a better shooter than Curry and he is no where near as good at creating space for his own threes BUT Kawhi is a sneaky nasty shooter. He is still taking 4+ and connecting at a serious clip.

[jcardstore]

The same can be said about Cleveland / Lebron Fans in that if you mention anything negative about Lebron, the pitchforks will all come out.

No... Only when you try and say Curry is a better player.

Kawhi high 3% is due to Spurs system. 94.8% of his 3s comes from assist. Curry only has 61.2% of his 3s comes from assist.

Curry is obviously way better at creating his own shot. Some of the shots he makes are absolutely unreal, he's easily the best shooter in the NBA and you could make a case for best ever but Kawhi's elite defense makes him just as valuable IMO. Kawhi really doesn't give away that much to Curry offensively.

[GC1980]

Curry is obviously way better at creating his own shot. Some of the shots he makes are absolutely unreal, he's easily the best shooter in the NBA and you could make a case for best ever but Kawhi's elite defense makes him just as valuable IMO. Kawhi really doesn't give away that much to Curry offensively.

100% Agree.

Back to the OP, KD is currently averaging 26.6/7.6/4.6 on 53/42/89 splits while playing underrated defense and sharing the court with a stat filling beast in Russ. I'd say if he can sustain this he is already back.

[asujbl]

This thread seriously makes my head hurt.

[jcardstore]

100% Agree.

Back to the OP, KD is currently averaging 26.6/7.6/4.6 on 53/42/89 splits while playing underrated defense and sharing the court with a stat filling beast in Russ. I'd say if he can sustain this he is already back.

Imagine his line if he wasn't sharing with westbrook. He'd be putting up Orlando TMac numbers with better shooting %.

Reminds me of the OKC/CLE game when he channeled his inner TMac with that sweet up and under from the baseline

[ronaldo943]

Curry is OVERRATED. Curry this, Curry that. You have the right to believe that Curry is overrated, with that being said he is having one of the best or if not the best season of all time. (At his current pace, obviously things can change.) Here are some advanced statistics for the haters who say they aren't haters, lol. Curry is on pace to have the highest win shares ever. Current leader in win shares per season all time is Kareem during the 1971-72 season with .340 WS/48. Curry is at .345 WS/48. Wilt Chamberlain has the highest PER of all time at 31.82. Steph Curry is at a 32.0. You can hate on his defense all you want, but Steph Curry knows how to play to his strengths and knows what he is and isn't capable of doing on the defensive end. He is having an all time season in efficiency and winning. You can hate on him all you want and call him overrated because the people on ESPN are all over his nuts, but you can't deny the stats and the story they are telling.

[xavieronly1]

In no way am I implying Kawhi is a better shooter than Curry and he is no where near as good at creating space for his own threes BUT Kawhi is a sneaky nasty shooter. He is still taking 4+ and connecting at a serious clip.

I just want to say that one number does not mean much. One needs to dig deeper to understand why Kawhi has higher %.

This applis to anything else like points, assists, rebound. People don't look at other things like pace, minute, or usage.

That's all.

[ronaldo943]

With that being said I do agree that Kawhi is having a phenomenal season and IMO is #2 right now in the race for MVP.

[Rip67vdub]

Curry is OVERRATED. Curry this, Curry that. You hae the right to believe that Curry is overrated, with that being said he is having one of the best or if not the best of all time. (At his current pace, obviously things can change.) Here are some adnce statistics for the haters who say they aren't haters, lol. Curry is on pace to have the highest win shares ever. Current leader all time is Kareem during the 1971-72 season with .340 WS/48. Curry is at .345 WS/48. Wilt Chamberlain has the highest PER of all time at 31.82. Steph Curry is at a 32.0. You can hate on his defense all you want, but Steph Curry knows how to play to his strengths and knows what he is and isn't capable of doing on defense. He is having an all time season in efficiency and winning. You can hate on him and call him overrated because the people on ESPN are all over his nuts, but you can't deny the stats and the story they are telling.


Well said :)!

[ronaldo943]

Well said :)!

Thanks, but I just saw all the errors I did lol. Ugh, I hate typing on phone.

[seabass97166]

Curry is OVERRATED. Curry this, Curry that. You have the right to believe that Curry is overrated, with that being said he is having one of the best or if not the best season of all time. (At his current pace, obviously things can change.) Here are some advanced statistics for the haters who say they aren't haters, lol. Curry is on pace to have the highest win shares ever. Current leader in win shares per season all time is Kareem during the 1971-72 season with .340 WS/48. Curry is at .345 WS/48. Wilt Chamberlain has the highest PER of all time at 31.82. Steph Curry is at a 32.0. You can hate on his defense all you want, but Steph Curry knows how to play to his strengths and knows what he is and isn't capable of doing on the defensive end. He is having an all time season in efficiency and winning. You can hate on him all you want and call him overrated because the people on ESPN are all over his nuts, but you can't deny the stats and the story they are telling.


Not to mention he is averaging like 7 points per game more than last year's MVP season, which is more than double of any previous MVP winner. This guy is on another planet right now.

[tjforce]

This thread seriously makes my head hurt.

Keep in mind this was originally a thread about Kevin Durant....

No doubt Curry would be mentioned, but it seems to have turned into a Curry is Overrated/Underrated thread, which is kind of like arguing religion on here at this point.

[halk35]

DUH! Durnats numbers are insane, especially when he has Westbrook and other great players. Durant will win MVP and everything will go back to normal.

[Qwasian]

I'd take AD for sure over Curry right now based on the long term. I'd take LeBron over him if we're talking about the next couple of years. Westbrook is highly debatable and the other two aren't even close.

for what reason though? you like to lose? what would be your goal with AD? you just like him?

[asujbl]

for what reason though? you like to lose? what would be your goal with AD? you just like him?

Put Curry on New Orleans and put Davis on Golden State...

Clearly the person is saying, and I agree, that if you were starting a team from scratch and didn't have a supporting cast yet that you'd take Davis over Curry

Some might want Curry but I'd wager most people would take Davis in that scenario.

[XARZY]

If Durant doesnt win this year I doubt He will be back on top, EVER. The time for DEEP PLAYOFF RUNS have finished. Its time to win or be forgotten. When Lebron won with Miami and decided to move back, it killed all the hype behind OKC and their underdog status. Durant needs to with the scoring title AND win a championship otherwise he will be considered on the decline.

[elee712]

Put Curry on New Orleans and put Davis on Golden State...

Clearly the person is saying, and I agree, that if you were starting a team from scratch and didn't have a supporting cast yet that you'd take Davis over Curry

Some might want Curry but I'd wager most people would take Davis in that scenario.

I'd say it's closer 50/50.
People say that the Warriors's roster is stacked but it's Curry that makes it all go. He takes all the pressure away from his teammates and for the most part they are getting wide open shots. I don't think the roster without Curry wins 50 games or gets far in the playoffs. Other than Draymond, the other parts in my opinion are replaceable.
With the Pelicans, perhaps they don't have a great mix of players but they certainly have talent... Great shooters, a decent Center...I can't see why they are not better than they are. Sure, they had injuries...but they have a top 5 player in the league...they should not be one of the worst teams in the NBA.

[pingbling23]

I'd say it's closer 50/50.
People say that the Warriors's roster is stacked but it's Curry that makes it all go. He takes all the pressure away from his teammates and for the most part they are getting wide open shots. I don't think the roster without Curry wins 50 games or gets far in the playoffs. Other than Draymond, the other parts in my opinion are replaceable.
With the Pelicans, perhaps they don't have a great mix of players but they certainly have talent... Great shooters, a decent Center...I can't see why they are not better than they are. Sure, they had injuries...but they have a top 5 player in the league...they should not be one of the worst teams in the NBA.

As crazy as it sounds, I think you're undervaluing your team. There are few players in the history of the game that can go on a scoring run like klay can and how many players can come off the bench and earn finals mvp? The Warriors are much more then a brilliant steph curry.

[Qwasian]

Put Curry on New Orleans and put Davis on Golden State...

Clearly the person is saying, and I agree, that if you were starting a team from scratch and didn't have a supporting cast yet that you'd take Davis over Curry

Some might want Curry but I'd wager most people would take Davis in that scenario.

for what reason though? davis isn't going to run your team and get you the win, he's just a beast at his position. just like lebron is a beast but he's not making the team win, it's like taking patrick ewing over jordan, sure ewing is a beast, but jordan is clearly the better pick. curry is way more valuable to a team than AD is, and AD is one of my favorite players. basketball is bigger than just being nice, you have to have the experience and know how to get everything done, steph even most likely pulls from his dads years of knowledge and experience as well, you can't buy that experience and ability to use it, why do you think teams always want these vet guys. Right now with steph's play he's more valuable than lebron even though lebron is a beast as well, but it's about attitude, knowledge, and keeping everybody in check on a team, that's more valuable than being the best player in the world and steph just happens to have both talents. people keep discarding that "WIN FACTOR"....... he has what it takes to pull a team together and make them win. instead of making 1000 excuses as to why things don't go right like lebron and needing all this help, they put the team together and create his own help, those guys weren't nice like that, now they are looking like allstars, buddy turned draymond green and klay thompson into world beaters.

[pingbling23]

for what reason though? davis isn't going to run your team and get you the win, he's just a beast at his position. just like lebron is a beast but he's not making the team win, it's like taking patrick ewing over jordan, sure ewing is a beast, but jordan is clearly the better pick. curry is way more valuable to a team than AD is, and AD is one of my favorite players. basketball is bigger than just being nice, you have to have the experience and know how to get everything done, steph even most likely pulls from his dads years of knowledge and experience as well, you can't buy that experience and ability to use it, why do you think teams always want these vet guys. Right now with steph's play he's more valuable than lebron even though lebron is a beast as well, but it's about attitude, knowledge, and keeping everybody in check on a team, that's more valuable than being the best player in the world and steph just happens to have both talents. people keep discarding that "WIN FACTOR"....... he has what it takes to pull a team together and make them win. instead of making 1000 excuses as to why things don't go right like lebron and needing all this help, they put the team together and create his own help, those guys weren't nice like that, now they are looking like allstars, buddy turned draymond green and klay thompson into world beaters.
Wow, so much fail in one post. Curry wasn't even the main reason the Warriors won last year. Need I remind you that lebron wasn't ever blessed with a championship caliber team in Cleveland. Yes Riley put a great team together but lebron also got better and earned 2 finals mvps. You would be crazy to think lebron isn't a good leader, makes others better, and has gotten wins in less then stellar conditions. I'm curious, how do you think curry has made those players better? We have seen what happens to teams before and after lebron plays for them. We have seen those awful teams make it to the finals and fall short, but it takes an extraordinary talent and leader just to get to that position. Lebron earned more respect from me in last years loss then when he won in Miami. His series was incredible and lead a depleted roster to six games against a team that is possibly going to break the season win loss record this year. I honestly think lebron got robbed of finals mvp last year and if he would have won it, who could argue against it?

[Qwasian]

it's crazy to me that just because lebron is big & physical people want to give him props like all his teams suck, but people want to denounce curry like his teams are greatness just because he's not this big physical guy. lebron has pull from the best talent pool in the nba with free agents basically willing to play with him for pennies just because he's lebron, to think he doesn't have a good team situation is crazy, he always has top talent level, with love & kyrie the guy is playing on an allstar squad....... the warriors are good as well, but lebron is not playing on trash teams, that's a large myth. teams collapse after he leaves because of the entire energy & situation he brings and takes with him when he moves around the NBA, a teams entire business has to shift when dealing with lebron, he basically runs the team he plays for at all times and can get anything he wants done. people got hurt and tainted his chances last year, but he's definately not playing with a bum team, look at the rest of the NBA, they would be lucky to have just a lebron and nobody else, this guy has allstar caliber supporting cast, i'm hardly going to cry for him.

[MFaulkCollector]

If Durant doesnt win this year I doubt He will be back on top, EVER. The time for DEEP PLAYOFF RUNS have finished. Its time to win or be forgotten. When Lebron won with Miami and decided to move back, it killed all the hype behind OKC and their underdog status. Durant needs to with the scoring title AND win a championship otherwise he will be considered on the decline.


Forgotten? The guy is younger than Curry and has at least 5-6 more years at peak performance. Durant will likely end up in the top 5 all time scoring. He can't win the chip with Westbrook around; but he certainly will not be forgotten. If he were to get in a situation where the entire team was not selfish; no sweat he could average 30-35 efficiently

[MFaulkCollector]

it's crazy to me that just because lebron is big & physical people want to give him props like all his teams suck, but people want to denounce curry like his teams are greatness just because he's not this big physical guy. lebron has pull from the best talent pool in the nba with free agents basically willing to play with him for pennies just because he's lebron, to think he doesn't have a good team situation is crazy, he always has top talent level, with love & kyrie the guy is playing on an allstar squad....... the warriors are good as well, but lebron is not playing on trash teams, that's a large myth. teams collapse after he leaves because of the entire energy & situation he brings and takes with him when he moves around the NBA, a teams entire business has to shift when dealing with lebron, he basically runs the team he plays for at all times and can get anything he wants done. people got hurt and tainted his chances last year, but he's definately not playing with a bum team, look at the rest of the NBA, they would be lucky to have just a lebron and nobody else, this guy has allstar caliber supporting cast, i'm hardly going to cry for him.

Lebron played with trash in Cleveland the first time around.... since then he has basically picked his team and situation twice. To choose your destination like he has; and not win more than 2 would almost make you question his overall IQ of what makes a winner.

Basically; the best player in the world has chosen to play with two other all stars in each of his two "decisions"..... I know he made the finals 5 times but still just won the two (and really he was the biggest reason they lost to Dallas)

Warriors were not constructed like this; and because of that they are better. More cohesion and identity

[pingbling23]

it's crazy to me that just because lebron is big & physical people want to give him props like all his teams suck, but people want to denounce curry like his teams are greatness just because he's not this big physical guy. lebron has pull from the best talent pool in the nba with free agents basically willing to play with him for pennies just because he's lebron, to think he doesn't have a good team situation is crazy, he always has top talent level, with love & kyrie the guy is playing on an allstar squad....... the warriors are good as well, but lebron is not playing on trash teams, that's a large myth. teams collapse after he leaves because of the entire energy & situation he brings and takes with him when he moves around the NBA, a teams entire business has to shift when dealing with lebron, he basically runs the team he plays for at all times and can get anything he wants done. people got hurt and tainted his chances last year, but he's definately not playing with a bum team, look at the rest of the NBA, they would be lucky to have just a lebron and nobody else, this guy has allstar caliber supporting cast, i'm hardly going to cry for him.

i was referencing the first part of his career. and yes they were trash teams. we see what happens when lebron gets a good team around him. 5 straight finals appearances and 2 rings. the west is so stacked with talent and the teams are loaded, what else can east teams do but put together strong teams? so you think the depleted roster last year in the finals was an allstar caliber supporting cast lmao. j.r., shump, delly, and mozgov are solid role players but most of them are inconsistent. surely youre not talking about an old mike miller, shawn marion, or james jones? must be talking about that stud kendrick perkins lol.

[pingbling23]

Lebron played with trash in Cleveland the first time around.... since then he has basically picked his team and situation twice. To choose your destination like he has; and not win more than 2 would almost make you question his overall IQ of what makes a winner.

Basically; the best player in the world has chosen to play with two other all stars in each of his two "decisions"..... I know he made the finals 5 times but still just won the two (and really he was the biggest reason they lost to Dallas)

Warriors were not constructed like this; and because of that they are better. More cohesion and identity

you act like its a given that his teams should easily win. how many players make it to 5 straight finals and earn back to back titles/finals mvps? we always talk on here how the west is so dominate, if you want to beat loaded teams, youre going to need a loaded team. some players are drafted or traded into good situations (kobe is the biggest example) and some are not as fortunate. lebron did what he needed to do to win titles, cavs management wasnt getting the job done. lebron did stink it up in the dallas series!!!!

[Kobe101]

I am a lebron hater but he only has one championship without Ray Allens lucky shot!

Lebron sucks! Joking he's awesome.

The fact that we can argue about so many great players lets you know how great the game is now.

Lebron and Durant are ALL TIME GREATS.

If curry can have a few more seasons like this he is an all time great!

Anthony Davis has the potential to be an all time great! M

It's hard and speculative who is the best/most important player in the league today. But if we were doing a redraft I would be very happy with any of the top 3 picks - Lebron Durant and curry... (No order there)

And ending up with Davis or Leaneord or Paul George wouldn't be the worst thing.

There are so many great players today it's great being a fan!

[Qwasian]

i was referencing the first part of his career. and yes they were trash teams. we see what happens when lebron gets a good team around him. 5 straight finals appearances and 2 rings. the west is so stacked with talent and the teams are loaded, what else can east teams do but put together strong teams? so you think the depleted roster last year in the finals was an allstar caliber supporting cast lmao. j.r., shump, delly, and mozgov are solid role players but most of them are inconsistent. surely youre not talking about an old mike miller, shawn marion, or james jones? must be talking about that stud kendrick perkins lol.

we aren't talking about "GOOD TEAMS", we are talking allstar caliber players. like the top level talent of the NBA as a supporting cast, there is a big difference, what other player has that on a regular basis and can't win? mozgov and delly performed like top level talent last year in the playoffs for many games, the only reason people view lebrons supporting cast as garbage players is because they have this skewed idea that lebron is so great so by default everybody else must suck, but that's not reality, people want to taint curry for whatever reason just like they used to try to do lebron but he's great and it's obvious, whats the point in trying to discredit him? he already hoisted the trophy, that's the top of the mountain.

[pingbling23]

we aren't talking about "GOOD TEAMS", we are talking allstar caliber players. like the top level talent of the NBA as a supporting cast, there is a big difference, what other player has that on a regular basis and can't win? mozgov and delly performed like top level talent last year in the playoffs for many games, the only reason people view lebrons supporting cast as garbage players is because they have this skewed idea that lebron is so great so by default everybody else must suck, but that's not reality, people want to taint curry for whatever reason just like they used to try to do lebron but he's great and it's obvious, whats the point in trying to discredit him? he already hoisted the trophy, that's the top of the mountain.

have you forgotten about the powerhouse teams out in the west? those teams have multiple all star caliber players as well and most cant win. the boston super team that could only win one. how about some of the lakers super teams that couldnt win any? heat and lebron sucked against dallas, won 2 in a row, and then lost to one of the greatest team displays i have ever seen in san antonio. i honestly think the heat as a team gave up on each other since they knew lebron was leaving but thats a debate for another day. lebron does not have luck on his side (besides the ray ray 3 lol). wade was never as healthy as we all thought he would be and bosh even had some major health issues through the playoffs not to mention varajo's season ending injury, and kyrie and love going down in the playoffs/finals. i am in no way trying to taint curry. he didnt have the best of finals and wasnt his teams most valuable player, but hes an incredible player. he has also been drafted (and developed) into a much better situation then lebron was. sorry to derail this thread, i just cant stand seeing inaccuracies posted. ill leave it here.

[Qwasian]

have you forgotten about the powerhouse teams out in the west? those teams have multiple all star caliber players as well and most cant win. the boston super team that could only win one. how about some of the lakers super teams that couldnt win any? heat and lebron sucked against dallas, won 2 in a row, and then lost to one of the greatest team displays i have ever seen in san antonio. i honestly think the heat as a team gave up on each other since they knew lebron was leaving but thats a debate for another day. lebron does not have luck on his side (besides the ray ray 3 lol). wade was never as healthy as we all thought he would be and bosh even had some major health issues through the playoffs not to mention varajo's season ending injury, and kyrie and love going down in the playoffs/finals. i am in no way trying to taint curry. he didnt have the best of finals and wasnt his teams most valuable player, but hes an incredible player. he has also been drafted (and developed) into a much better situation then lebron was. sorry to derail this thread, i just cant stand seeing inaccuracies posted. ill leave it here.



your missing what i'm saying, the powerhouse teams in the west DO WIN, it's bigger than just an NBA title, those guys are consistantly in the playoffs, spurs, thunder, lakers etc. THAT IS WINNING. lebron has had solid supporting cast's his entire career, a team without a solid supporting cast is like the sixers, or the bottom teams. you can't say oh he doesn't have the #1 team lineup so he's got a bum squad. of course curry didn't have a great finals he's a guard who they teamed up on and tried to shut down, lebron had a great finals because he's the type of player that can make his own shot, he's big & physical, but that should prove everything to you right there, he played great and they still lost, which taints his value, he doesn't have the ability to just make the team come together and win. curry being doubled up helps spread the floor, it causes havoc on the defense and caused cleveland to lose. golden state just beat cleveland again in the regular season, with tristan thompson almost having a double double and kevin love did have a double double, jr smith and dellavadova were in double figures. how come if they play with lebron and put up these kind of stats they are scrubs? but if players play with curry and put up the same kind of stats they are world beaters who make curry shine? it's obviously just a matter of skewed opinion. you can say anthony davis is great too, just like lebron, a big man who plays great but will never get you where you need to be without a bunch of help. curry doesn't have to shine all playoffs or all finals long, he just have to shine in enough games that beat you, if he lights you up 2 or 3 games it's a wrap, lebron can light you up every night and still won't win.

[Durantula]

What exactly means back on top?
He is currently a top 3 Player and 3rd in the West.
Isnt that enough to be considered being at the top?
I think he is back. He and Russ also sat out a bigger number 4th quaters because of blow outs.
If OKC can't win it all this year its time for Durant to move on.
NYC would be my Dream destination. When cp3 also realizes he can't win anything in LA, Time to Team up with Durant, Melo and Porzingis.
Get Phil back to Coach and we have something special!

[Nyfancam01]

i'd take durant OR Davis over curry and wouldn't even think about it lol

plus i'd take lebron over anybody in the NBA. People saying they'd take curry 1st is hilarious... if lebron, durant or davis are on the warriors squad instead of curry... THEY WIN TOO.

[IamRalpho]

i'd take durant OR Davis over curry and wouldn't even think about it lol

plus i'd take lebron over anybody in the NBA. People saying they'd take curry 1st is hilarious... if lebron, durant or davis are on the warriors squad instead of curry... THEY WIN TOO.

Most shocking statement in the world.

Lebron is on the wrong side of 30 right now.

Steph Curry is the best player in the NBA right now, anyone who disagrees needs to check their eyes.

Is he the greatest overall? Of course not, Lebron, Kobe, etc but right now Steph Curry is the MVP and that usually means the best player.

[Nyfancam01]

Most shocking statement in the world.

Lebron is on the wrong side of 30 right now.

Steph Curry is the best player in the NBA right now, anyone who disagrees needs to check their eyes.

Is he the greatest overall? Of course not, Lebron, Kobe, etc but right now Steph Curry is the MVP and that usually means the best player.

not a chance. Lebron James is still a better all around player than Curry. Curry literally could never compare to James' all around game.

[asujbl]

Most shocking statement in the world.

Lebron is on the wrong side of 30 right now.

Steph Curry is the best player in the NBA right now, anyone who disagrees needs to check their eyes.

Is he the greatest overall? Of course not, Lebron, Kobe, etc but right now Steph Curry is the MVP and that usually means the best player.

Send me to an eye doctor then...

Because LeBron is still the best player on the planet. Curry might be the most exciting player. LeBron is still the best player in the NBA.

Winning MVP doesn't mean a damn thing once you've won it as many times as LeBron has. It just becomes Karl Malone and Steve Nash syndrome.

[IamRalpho]

Send me to an eye doctor then...

Because LeBron is still the best player on the planet. Curry might be the most exciting player. LeBron is still the best player in the NBA.

Winning MVP doesn't mean a damn thing once you've won it as many times as LeBron has. It just becomes Karl Malone and Steve Nash syndrome.

Right now, I am sorry I would choose Curry. Lebron for all he's done is awesome, and he is a top 7 player of all time but if you tell me you get to pick one player today...December 29th, 2015 to win a title this year, I am taking Curry.

Lebron James has so many miles on him and at his age, he is gonna start to slow down.

Ive come to appreciate how amazing Lebron is/was but there was a time in the NBA when MJ wasnt the best player, didnt mean he wasnt the greatest ever.

What Curry is doing now is what Lebron did a few years ago, just unexplained amazingness. And what Barkley and Malone did for a few years in the 90s.

Give me the the best shooter of all time, one one of the best contracts of all time, on the best team right now at the age of 27 over anyone else, and that is coming from the same person who said last year that KD had surpassed Lebron for the 15 minutes he was healthy last year.

[ninjacookies]

I can't lie. Curry is the best player in the game right now. Pretty much was solidified in this past game vs. Cleveland where he single handedly schooled lebron on a few dribble drives in crunch time deep in the 4th.

But sustainability is key. Can he keep this up for 5,6...10 years? In order to be in that discussion, he's going to have to string together multiple titles, which is entirely possible.


I almost equate this to playing nba 2k15. If you have a player that is on god mode with 100 rated shooting, in essence he is more dominant offensively than even a player with a 100 dunk rating...as a player with that kind of range is absolutely unguardable from any area of the floor. Whereas Lebron's game is still predicated on dribble drives and outmuscling opponents. What's even crazier is how dominant a player Curry is off the dribble. It boggles my mind everytime since he is probably in the bottom half of the league in terms of athletic intangibles and stature, but his basketball iq and understanding of defender tendencies and floor spacing is second to none. He is one crafty son of a gun.

Again, what he's doing now is impressive...but he still has a long way to be in the conversation with the greats. But at this very moment in time, I'd have to say he is the best player in the game. Though not by much. Lebron tends to defer and his age is slowly creeping up, so naturally he is more on cruise control mode to conserve himself for the post season.

[Qwasian]

i'd take durant OR Davis over curry and wouldn't even think about it lol

plus i'd take lebron over anybody in the NBA. People saying they'd take curry 1st is hilarious... if lebron, durant or davis are on the warriors squad instead of curry... THEY WIN TOO.

no they don't because of the influx of shots they take and need to be themselves, they make the team not win....... ex. durant, westbrook & harden on the same team couldn't get it done, that's a big 3 in itself and they had peices around them.

[Qwasian]

not a chance. Lebron James is still a better all around player than Curry. Curry literally could never compare to James' all around game.

it's not all about putting up stats everytime, it's about doing what your team needs as you've seen him try to do many times in the playoffs and he wasn't succesful, his only way to win is to put alot of talent around him and brute force his way to a win, which is cool, but curry obviously has more basketball talent and IQ. it's about letting off the gas when needed too, that's extremely valueable, then turning it on when they let off you and start to guard other guys who get hot. lebron is a one trick pony, "GIVE ME THE BALL".

[Nyfancam01]

did you really just say curry has more talent and basketball IQ than Lebron James?

Thank the lord i'm getting out of sports cards. WOW.

[ninjacookies]

did you really just say curry has more talent and basketball IQ than Lebron James?

Thank the lord i'm getting out of sports cards. WOW.


Can you provide any evidence that clearly puts Lebron above Curry in terms of basketball iq? I'd love to hear this. At worst, it's probably a wash.

Intangibles, Lebron has him beat by a landslide. He's a 6'8 goliath built like a roman statue, has the speed of an NFL RB, and still has the grace of a guy like Magic. There is nothing Curry can do to tilt the scales in his favor in terms of physical prowess.

HOWEVER. Curry right now is playing the better overall game. Check your homerism at the door. (I understand that may be impossible for you to do)

Again, this is AS OF RIGHT NOW. Things change in the nba. Quickly. What's here today isn't always here tomorrow. I have also been extremely critical of Curry in my post history..I'm far from a nut hugger.

By the way, I'm not a fan of either of the two. But I enjoy watching both play. Could care less about them, but I'm a fan of the game.

[Qwasian]

did you really just say curry has more talent and basketball IQ than Lebron James?

Thank the lord i'm getting out of sports cards. WOW.

absolutely....... lebron is physical, basketball talent is different than being physical, he can knock people out the way better than curry, he can dunk better than curry, but he can't dribble, move around the floor, shoot better than curry, curry absolutely has a higher skill level with a basketball and it's not even close.

lebron doesn't have this great basketball IQ that people make him out to have, otherwise he would probably have alot more championships, you can see him getting baited into guarding certain players and trying to lock them down and doing alot of stuff that's not str8 basketball, it's more of a brute force method to playing but that's not smart IQ team basketball. just because espn told you he has a high basketball IQ doesn't mean it's true. he has a natural feel for the game because he's played it all his life and he's more physical than everyone else on the floor. why do you think he's dissappeared in several playoff games, couldn't figure out how to make it work alot of the times with all the talented players on the floor "Wade, Bosh, Lebron" "Kyrie, Love, Lebron"...... he doesn't play with IQ he's just the biggest, strongest, fastest guy on the floor, there is a reason why he struggles and is dissapointed with his performance alot of the time, he can't get over the mountain because he doesn't have what it takes to make all the peices of a team work on the floor.

[jcardstore]

absolutely....... lebron is physical, basketball talent is different than being physical, he can knock people out the way better than curry, he can dunk better than curry, but he can't dribble, move around the floor, shoot better than curry, curry absolutely has a higher skill level with a basketball and it's not even close.

lebron doesn't have this great basketball IQ that people make him out to have, otherwise he would probably have alot more championships, you can see him getting baited into guarding certain players and trying to lock them down and doing alot of stuff that's not str8 basketball, it's more of a brute force method to playing but that's not smart IQ team basketball. just because espn told you he has a high basketball IQ doesn't mean it's true. he has a natural feel for the game because he's played it all his life and he's more physical than everyone else on the floor. why do you think he's dissappeared in several playoff games, couldn't figure out how to make it work alot of the times with all the talented players on the floor "Wade, Bosh, Lebron" "Kyrie, Love, Lebron"...... he doesn't play with IQ he's just the biggest, strongest, fastest guy on the floor, there is a reason why he struggles and is dissapointed with his performance alot of the time, he can't get over the mountain because he doesn't have what it takes to make all the peices of a team work on the floor.

Have you ever watched LeBron play, like really watched other than youtube highlights? The dude can see and run the floor like few others. Have you seen some of his thread-the-needle crosscourt passes? His physical frame allows him to see the court a lot better than Curry. Sure, sometimes he can go all LeIso and dribble at the top of the key for 20 seconds before driving but there's a lot more finesse to his game than you're giving him credit for.

Even though he's not a traditional PG the offense runs through LeBron. He's calling a lot of plays, sees exploitable matchups on the floor and gets teammates involved accordingly. He really makes everyone else on the floor a better player. His defensive intelligence is way up there also, he plays passing lanes so well and his timing on chasedown blocks is impeccable.

LeBron may or may not have a higher "Basketball IQ" than Curry but given the choice I'm pretty sure a landslide of GMs would still take LeBron over Curry. He always has been and always will be the unquestioned leader of whatever team he plays for. He commands respect, not demands it and not just because he's an all-time great player. Curry is the "leader" of GS simply because he's the best player but outside of his elite shooting he's not impacting the other players on his team like LeBron can, he's an amazing shooter and great team player but that's about it.

[GC1980]

What happened to Kevin Durant? Wasn't this his thread?

[Qwasian]

Have you ever watched LeBron play, like really watched other than youtube highlights? The dude can see and run the floor like few others. Have you seen some of his thread-the-needle crosscourt passes? His physical frame allows him to see the court a lot better than Curry. Sure, sometimes he can go all LeIso and dribble at the top of the key for 20 seconds before driving but there's a lot more finesse to his game than you're giving him credit for.

Even though he's not a traditional PG the offense runs through LeBron. He's calling a lot of plays, sees exploitable matchups on the floor and gets teammates involved accordingly. He really makes everyone else on the floor a better player. His defensive intelligence is way up there also, he plays passing lanes so well and his timing on chasedown blocks is impeccable.

LeBron may or may not have a higher "Basketball IQ" than Curry but given the choice I'm pretty sure a landslide of GMs would still take LeBron over Curry. He always has been and always will be the unquestioned leader of whatever team he plays for. He commands respect, not demands it and not just because he's an all-time great player. Curry is the "leader" of GS simply because he's the best player but outside of his elite shooting he's not impacting the other players on his team like LeBron can, he's an amazing shooter and great team player but that's about it.



if lebron makes these other guys so much better how come ever other players stats suffer? kevin love dropped a full 10 points off his scoring average and a few points off his rebound totals when he joined cleveland, yet lebron needs all this help? but can't make the help work properly? how can he be great & not great at the same time?


durant is cool but he's not even in the convo with curry and lebron really because he can run hot & cold to the point it stiffles his team. if they double him up he's done.

[bdoody42]

What happened to Kevin Durant? Wasn't this his thread?

LOL very true...

Lebron has had a much better career and will go down as the better player in the long run I think. He has played at a high level for 10 or so seasons. I doubt Curry will be able to do that.

That being said Lebron is shooting much worse this season then past from the free throw line and 3PT line. Why is that? I believe I saw that Curry is shooting a higher paint percentage then Lebron. That's just crazy to me.

Curry this year has been better then Lebron. Lebron is still a better overall defender and has better physical traits. I believe their basketball IQ's are about the same and would be hard to clearly say one is better then the other in that category. Curry shoots better then Lebron from everywhere. He also puts a pressure on a defense that Lebron cant. He is a threat from thirty feet and in.

The problem is the homers (not rational fans) here from Curry and especially Lebron are so bias its crazy and in some instances make users look like idiots.

[jcardstore]

if lebron makes these other guys so much better how come ever other players stats suffer? kevin love dropped a full 10 points off his scoring average and a few points off his rebound totals when he joined cleveland, yet lebron needs all this help? but can't make the help work properly? how can he be great & not great at the same time?


durant is cool but he's not even in the convo with curry and lebron really because he can run hot & cold to the point it stiffles his team. if they double him up he's done.

I'm really struggling to see the point you're trying to make here. Just because Love's points dropped 10pg doesn't mean LeBron didn't make him better. You do realize that he now has to share the ball with not one but TWO other elite offensive players (Kyrie CAN be elite offensively IF IF IF IF healthy). Love is having 25% of his shots assisted by LeBron and is shooting nearly double digits better when being assisted from LeBron vs other Cavs teammates. If you look at the stats you can see that pretty much every Cavs player shoots a higher percentage when being assisted by LeBron. I could take this back to Miami too but I'm sure it's the same result.

[Kobe101]

if lebron makes these other guys so much better how come ever other players stats suffer? kevin love dropped a full 10 points off his scoring average and a few points off his rebound totals when he joined cleveland, yet lebron needs all this help? but can't make the help work properly? how can he be great & not great at the same time?


durant is cool but he's not even in the convo with curry and lebron really because he can run hot & cold to the point it stiffles his team. if they double him up he's done.

Durant is better then Curry. Curry is having a better season but Durant is 7-1 and has crazy handles can shoot and dunk and play D. Curry has a better team and doesn't have Westbrook taking 25 shots and turning the ball over 5 times a game. Curry is amazing! And he is playing out of his mind but Lebron and Durant are better players.

[pingbling23]

What happened to Kevin Durant? Wasn't this his thread?

hahaha, i think the basis of this statement answers the op. i still take durant over curry, due to the size. like everyone talks about lebron slowing down, whats curry going to do when he slows down? you see how bad curry struggles when he has a guard that can stick with him. durant will be going dirk and shooting over people when hes 40 if his body holds up.

[Qwasian]

I'm really struggling to see the point you're trying to make here. Just because Love's points dropped 10pg doesn't mean LeBron didn't make him better. You do realize that he now has to share the ball with not one but TWO other elite offensive players (Kyrie CAN be elite offensively IF IF IF IF healthy). Love is having 25% of his shots assisted by LeBron and is shooting nearly double digits better when being assisted from LeBron vs other Cavs teammates. If you look at the stats you can see that pretty much every Cavs player shoots a higher percentage when being assisted by LeBron. I could take this back to Miami too but I'm sure it's the same result.


what is it that love does better? imaginary magic? he should have higher output overall if someone is helping him, isn't that obvious?

of course people that are assisted by lebron shoot better, he's running the entire team, who else would they be assisted by?

[Qwasian]

Durant is better then Curry. Curry is having a better season but Durant is 7-1 and has crazy handles can shoot and dunk and play D. Curry has a better team and doesn't have Westbrook taking 25 shots and turning the ball over 5 times a game. Curry is amazing! And he is playing out of his mind but Lebron and Durant are better players.

you kinda cancelled out your own statement, you said durant is better than curry but curry is having the better season, so right now curry is better, you said it yourself. maybe he won't be the best player over 10 years or whatever, but he's the best option for 2016, everything else is wizards and mythical creatures, not real facts.

[jcardstore]

what is it that love does better? imaginary magic? he should have higher output overall if someone is helping him, isn't that obvious?

of course people that are assisted by lebron shoot better, he's running the entire team, who else would they be assisted by?

I really hope you're trolling....

How could he possibly have a higher offensive output if his usage rate goes down and he now has to share the ball with TWO other high usage players?

I'll put this into context that even you might be able to understand, Curry's usage rate has been increasing year over year and his total offensive output has also been increasing year over year. His usage rate is at an all-time high and so is his offensive output.

So... If higher usage rate generally leads to higher offensive output what do you think lower usage rate would lead to?

Who else would they be assisted by... Hmm I don't know maybe Delly, Kyrie?

I bet you didn't know that Draymond shoots 4.7% lower when assisted by Curry.

[Qwasian]

I really hope you're trolling....

How could he possibly have a higher offensive output if his usage rate goes down and he now has to share the ball with TWO other high usage players?

I'll put this into context that even you might be able to understand, Curry's usage rate has been increasing year over year and his total offensive output has also been increasing year over year. His usage rate is at an all-time high and so is his offensive output.

So... If higher usage rate generally leads to higher offensive output what do you think lower usage rate would lead to?

Who else would they be assisted by... Hmm I don't know maybe Delly, Kyrie?

I bet you didn't know that Draymond shoots 4.7% lower when assisted by Curry.

let me know when they assist him in hoisting up a trophy........ :)!

[elee712]

I really hope you're trolling....

How could he possibly have a higher offensive output if his usage rate goes down and he now has to share the ball with TWO other high usage players?

Who else would they be assisted by... Hmm I don't know maybe Delly, Kyrie?

I bet you didn't know that Draymond shoots 4.7% lower when assisted by Curry.

It seems stats only matter when it supports your arguments
You should probably figure out what kind of shots Draymond takes when Curry is assisting to him... My guess is the vast majority are wide open 3's. The other times, Draymond is driving into an open lane (due to Draymond's defender helping on Curry) or passing it off to someone with a wider open shot. I would think that he would shooting a higher percentage at the rim than from the three point line which probably explains the 5 percent discrepancy.

The argument of Lebron vs Curry is silly. Not sure why LBJ fans get so defensive when someone says Curry is better than Lebron now.
If Lebron is truly better, he will win the MVP and lead the Cavs to the championship this year unless another excuse or two pops up along the way.

[jcardstore]

let me know when they assist him in hoisting up a trophy........ :)!

Debate 101: when proven to be totally wrong and have no idea what you're talking about, resort to Strawman tactics! Lol, cya

:doh:

[jcardstore]

It seems stats only matter when it supports your arguments
You should probably figure out what kind of shots Draymond takes when Curry is assisting to him... My guess is the vast majority are wide open 3's. The other times, Draymond is driving into an open lane (due to Draymond's defender helping on Curry) or passing it off to someone with a wider open shot. I would think that he would shooting a higher percentage at the rim than from the three point line which probably explains the 5 percent discrepancy.

The argument of Lebron vs Curry is silly. Not sure why LBJ fans get so defensive when someone says Curry is better than Lebron now.
If Lebron is truly better, he will win the MVP and lead the Cavs to the championship this year unless another excuse or two pops up along the way.

LeBron will never win another MVP because of voter fatigue.

LeBron's combination of physical size, passing ability, offensive and defensive prowess make him a better player than Curry. No matter what, you will say that I'm wrong and I could give you every statistic in the world and you'd still deny it.

It's funny how you stalk my profile to see what threads I'm posting in just so you can add some useless input.

[elee712]

LeBron will never win another MVP because of voter fatigue.

I see...


LeBron's combination of physical size, passing ability, offensive and defensive prowess make him a better player than Curry. No matter what, you will say that I'm wrong and I could give you every statistic in the world and you'd still deny it.

Go ahead, I'll check back later.

It's funny how you stalk my profile to see what threads I'm posting in just so you can add some useless input.

Yep, that's exactly what I'm doing. :rolleyes: get over yourself...

[jcardstore]

I see...



Go ahead, I'll check back later.



Yep, that's exactly what I'm doing. :rolleyes: get over yourself...

how about we just agree that you'll never agree with me and I'll never agree with you, that's simple enough

[Wolves4Life]

Durant was never on top. Yes he won a few scoring titles. Big whoop. Lebron has been basically since he entered the league, Maybe a few times before he actually took over it was Duncan's league? Other then that it's been Lebron's for awhile.

[Kobe101]

you kinda cancelled out your own statement, you said durant is better than curry but curry is having the better season, so right now curry is better, you said it yourself. maybe he won't be the best player over 10 years or whatever, but he's the best option for 2016, everything else is wizards and mythical creatures, not real facts.

What are you talking about?

Fitzpatrick is having a better season then Peyton Manning does that mean he's better then Peyton Manning?

Right now Curry is probably have a better season. His team is 100% having a better season but Durant is pretty damn effective. I think he has a higher EFF % then Curry. But the Warriors are a great team.

So like I said Curry may be having a better season but Durant is better- So if I was going to start a team I would take Durant over Curry but Curry can still be having a better season.

[pingbling23]

What's funny is a player has a good season and a half and homer fans are ready to crown him over someone that's been a league leader for over a decade. But the lebron fans are the only homers. It wasn't just a few months ago lebron was averaging almost a triple double through out the playoffs and at one point in the finals was around 40/10/10. Not to mention being up in the finals with out the second and third option. But the Warriors did win the title, if curry could have only earned finals mvp, some peoples argument would be much stronger. Is it June yet??? This is all a fun debate, no hard feelings to warrior/curry fans. I'm excited to see how long curry can keep this up. Everyone though Iverson was going to be the man for years to come. It's hard for small guards to get to the top and stay there.

[elee712]

how about we just agree that you'll never agree with me and I'll never agree with you, that's simple enough

Sorry I'm not closed minded enough to do that. If you raise points that make sense, I have no problem agreeing with you.

[Qwasian]

Debate 101: when proven to be totally wrong and have no idea what you're talking about, resort to Strawman tactics! Lol, cya

:doh:

no actually my whole point is that curry has the it factor that makes his team win, overall game, personality and knowledge, in which I was correct because they hoisted that trophy and started as a team better than any other team. what is there to debate? how good draymond green and klay thompson are? u can't be serious. whats next bogut is a beast? all those guys are just roll players just like lebrons role players, only thing is warriors win.

[Qwasian]

What are you talking about?

Fitzpatrick is having a better season then Peyton Manning does that mean he's better then Peyton Manning?

Right now Curry is probably have a better season. His team is 100% having a better season but Durant is pretty damn effective. I think he has a higher EFF % then Curry. But the Warriors are a great team.

So like I said Curry may be having a better season but Durant is better- So if I was going to start a team I would take Durant over Curry but Curry can still be having a better season.

this is not curry's first season being good, he was a popular player ever since he came out of college, it's fitzpatrick better than manning no, but that's not the same thing, brady would be more comparable to manning in which I would say yes brady is better than manning, because he has them rings, he has the ability to make them win.......

I understand lebron has rings as well but he has had the entire world and NBA cater to him ever since he came in the league he was deemed as the chosen one, he should have been able to put up a few more rings in his career, he's kinda winding it down now. he is one of the greatest to ever touch the floor no doubt about it, curry is just now better.guards are typically always higher skilled players, as a card collector you should know that, it's why they usually sell higher.

[jcardstore]

Sorry I'm not closed minded enough to do that. If you raise points that make sense, I have no problem agreeing with you.


So basically the only time you'll ever agree with me is when I say Curry is the best basketball player of all time and lebron sucks lmao!

[jcardstore]

no actually my whole point is that curry has the it factor that makes his team win, overall game, personality and knowledge, in which I was correct because they hoisted that trophy and started as a team better than any other team. what is there to debate? how good draymond green and klay thompson are? u can't be serious. whats next bogut is a beast? all those guys are just roll players just like lebrons role players, only thing is warriors win.

Let me guess, you became a GS fan last year in the finals LOL!

Even GS fans will agree that Green and Klay are more than "role players". To say that is insulting to them and the team. I really don't like GS and used to think Green was overrated but honestly he's a beast...

reading this post legitimately made me laugh.

[elee712]

What's funny is a player has a good season and a half and homer fans are ready to crown him over someone that's been a league leader for over a decade. But the lebron fans are the only homers. It wasn't just a few months ago lebron was averaging almost a triple double through out the playoffs and at one point in the finals was around 40/10/10. Not to mention being up in the finals with out the second and third option. But the Warriors did win the title, if curry could have only earned finals mvp, some peoples argument would be much stronger. Is it June yet??? This is all a fun debate, no hard feelings to warrior/curry fans. I'm excited to see how long curry can keep this up. Everyone though Iverson was going to be the man for years to come. It's hard for small guards to get to the top and stay there.

There might be some confusion...people aren't saying that Curry has had a better career than Lebron (which appears to be what guys are upset about). They are saying right now, Curry has surpassed Lebron as the best player in the league.

Also, going back to the finals Lebron did have nice numbers but he was trying to put the team on his shoulders and try to win it all by himself. As a result, his defense during the finals was not very good and he probably hurt the Cavs in the process.
There's a reason why MVPs are not given to players who just put up numbers...they are given to players who contribute the most to their team winning. There's plenty of guys in this league that would be able to put awesome numbers if they were given the freedom to have the ball and shoot anytime they wanted. Of course the team wouldn't win, but their stats would be incredible.
We got used to it here with Monta however he never even made an all star game despite putting up better numbers than guys that were playing.

So to bring back the idea that Lebron should have won the finals MVP to me is pretty ridiculous.

[elee712]

So basically the only time you'll ever agree with me is when I say Curry is the best basketball player of all time and lebron sucks lmao!

I wouldn't even agree with you if you said that.
you're twisting my words around

[pingbling23]

There might be some confusion...people aren't saying that Curry has had a better career than Lebron (which appears to be what guys are upset about). They are saying right now, Curry has surpassed Lebron as the best player in the league.

Also, going back to the finals Lebron did have nice numbers but he was trying to put the team on his shoulders and try to win it all by himself. As a result, his defense during the finals was not very good and he probably hurt the Cavs in the process.
There's a reason why MVPs are not given to players who just put up numbers...they are given to players who contribute the most to their team winning. There's plenty of guys in this league that would be able to put awesome numbers if they were given the freedom to have the ball and shoot anytime they wanted. Of course the team wouldn't win, but their stats would be incredible.
We got used to it here with Monta however he never even made an all star game despite putting up better numbers than guys that were playing.

So to bring back the idea that Lebron should have won the finals MVP to me is pretty ridiculous.
The confusion is crowning curry early. People did that a couple of years ago with durant. What's the title of the thread again, we know how it plays out. That's why I want to see how long curry will keep this up. It takes more then a season and a half. Lebron's reign will come to an end, it's just not at this moment like some curry fans think it is. People are basing this all off the Warriors TEAM success. It is part of the debate no doubt, but curry is getting the most love because of his team doing well, not solely because he is a beast. curry is phenomenal, the Warriors are the defending champs and have the best season start ever, but let's not jump the gun and crown curry the face of the nba. It's way to soon. Look at guys like Iverson, Vince carter, tmac, and even durant. Yes they didn't win titles, but they never had a team like the Warriors have now.

[Bonaflyd]

The only thing I took from this thread was a lot of people in it DO NOT WATCH BASKETBALL, and a lot of people are Curry fan boys

To say curry is a better all around player then Lebron James is hysterical

[GC1980]

The only thing I took from this thread was a lot of people in it DO NOT WATCH BASKETBALL, and a lot of people are Curry fan boys

To say curry is a better all around player then Lebron James is hysterical

Prisoners of the moment want to crown curry. It is what it is. He is not better all around than lebron. Lebron is still the best player in the league. He is ever so slightly declining but not nearly to the extent some want to believe.

This is a thread about durant and if he will ever get to the top again. I say he is already there his numbers this season are incredible and neither lbj or curry has anyone close to the star level player Westbrook is. Russ is knocking on the door of this conversation himself if he could ever reign it in a bit and Kd is still putting up an insanely efficient 26.6 ppt sharing the ball with a true alpha.

The list at the top is short. Curry may be getting all the press but lbj/curry/Kd are all the same tier.

[Qwasian]

Let me guess, you became a GS fan last year in the finals LOL!

Even GS fans will agree that Green and Klay are more than "role players". To say that is insulting to them and the team. I really don't like GS and used to think Green was overrated but honestly he's a beast...

reading this post legitimately made me laugh.


i'm not a golden state fan at all, and don't like green or klay, I mildly like steph curry...... so your really reaching there too........

[ninjacookies]

Big difference between the best performing player and best overall player.

I don't even think people put Rose or Durant over Lebron the years they won the MVP. But they were the best performing players of their respective years. And there's nothing wrong with that.


I think the same holds true for Curry right now. He's in a ridiculous zone.

[tjforce]

Big difference between the best performing player and best overall player.

I don't even think people put Rose or Durant over Lebron the years they won the MVP. But they were the best performing players of their respective years. And there's nothing wrong with that.


I think the same holds true for Curry right now. He's in a ridiculous zone.

I think you're forgetting about how high on Durant people were (a lot of it on here) when he averaged 32 PPG and won the MVP.

Not everyone was crowning him best player on the planet, but a lot of people were.

[ninjacookies]

I think you're forgetting about how high on Durant people were (a lot of it on here) when he averaged 32 PPG and won the MVP.

Not everyone was crowning him best player on the planet, but a lot of people were.

There are always going to be homers, die-hards, and pc'ers. You can never change that.

But I think any betting man, if placed in the position to choose between Lebron and (X player) would choose Lebron if more than just a preference was on the line.

Durant is a top 3 player, bar none, but he is nowhere near the same stratosphere defensively or facilitating wise. Scoring...very few can match him.

[tjforce]

There are always going to be homers, die-hards, and pc'ers. You can never change that.

But I think any betting man, if placed in the position to choose between Lebron and (X player) would choose Lebron if more than just a preference was on the line.

Durant is a top 3 player, bar none, but he is nowhere near the same stratosphere defensively or facilitating wise. Scoring...very few can match him.

I personally don't disagree with a thing you've said.

[bdoody42]

Lebron is shooting just 28.6% outside the paint. Btw that's the worst in the league of anyone who has 200 attempts. Where has his shoot gone this season? He improved a ton in the past.

[bballcollector]

All I know is he can shoot from 30.

[pingbling23]

Lebron is shooting just 28.6% outside the paint. Btw that's the worst in the league of anyone who has 200 attempts. Where has his shoot gone this season? He improved a ton in the past.

i hope its not the back problems. but hes still averaging well in scoring so hes still getting in the paint and scoring but the jumper/free throws/3 pointers need to improve come playoff time.

[pingbling23]

i'm not a golden state fan at all, and don't like green or klay, I mildly like steph curry...... so your really reaching there too........

but you have trolled alot of lebron threads over the years so thats not much of a reach.

[bdoody42]

i hope its not the back problems. but hes still averaging well in scoring so hes still getting in the paint and scoring but the jumper/free throws/3 pointers need to improve come playoff time.

I think stats like this are why people feel like Lebron has peaked and trending downward slowly. Not that you can blame someone who has played that many mins and games. Paint wise he still finishes well, but I cant figure out how Curry shoots better from inside the paint...

[jcardstore]

I think stats like this are why people feel like Lebron has peaked and trending downward slowly. Not that you can blame someone who has played that many mins and games. Paint wise he still finishes well, but I cant figure out how Curry shoots better from inside the paint...

Because a good chunk of his shots in the paint (non-RA) are 7-10' back down fade aways, he dribbles the clock out and takes lots of low percentage shots which is really frustrating to watch.

I just looked at the shot charts and Curry makes alot of free throw line floaters and jumpers

[asujbl]

There are always going to be homers, die-hards, and pc'ers. You can never change that.

But I think any betting man, if placed in the position to choose between Lebron and (X player) would choose Lebron if more than just a preference was on the line.

Durant is a top 3 player, bar none, but he is nowhere near the same stratosphere defensively or facilitating wise. Scoring...very few can match him.

This should just be a sticky at the top of this thread.

[Qwasian]

but you have trolled alot of lebron threads over the years so thats not much of a reach.

because he's just the best athelete, he could probably go play football and be great too like many have suggested, he's not the most skilled, he's just bigger, faster, stronger than everyone, clearly other people have a better shot, handles, IQ etc. but he wins out doing everything well because he's more physical. a good example of what i'm saying is like SHAQ compared to jordan, of course SHAQ is a dominant presence but he's not as skilled as jordan, obviously. people might pick shaq over alot of other players too doesn't mean he's actually a better skill set player.

[jcardstore]

because he's just the best athelete, he could probably go play football and be great too like many have suggested, he's not the most skilled, he's just bigger, faster, stronger than everyone, clearly other people have a better shot, handles, IQ etc. but he wins out doing everything well because he's more physical. a good example of what i'm saying is like SHAQ compared to jordan, of course SHAQ is a dominant presence but he's not as skilled as jordan, obviously. people might pick shaq over alot of other players too doesn't mean he's actually a better skill set player.

Please define "skills".

I'm really interested to see what you're going to come up with because you haven't really made much sense up to this point.

[dasiegel]

i hope its not the back problems. but hes still averaging well in scoring so hes still getting in the paint and scoring but the jumper/free throws/3 pointers need to improve come playoff time.

He just needs a 2 week hiatus and he'll be fine:)

[elee712]

Please define "skills".

I'm really interested to see what you're going to come up with because you haven't really made much sense up to this point.

Passing, shooting and dribbling are the main skills in basketball. Athleticism consists of jumping, size, speed and strength. Steve Nash would probably be a good example of a player who became great on skill alone. On the other side of the spectrum, players like deandre Jordan, Dwight Howard are guys who are purely athletic and physically gifted. Intangibles are effort and drive.

[jcardstore]

So, if Curry is a better basketball player than LeBron, shooting and dribbling are more important than all the other factors? LeBron is arguably a better passer, and he's light years above Curry in anything that has to do with Athleticism. Using that logic, pretty much every guard in the NBA is a better basketball player than LeBron.

[tjforce]

Passing, shooting and dribbling are the main skills in basketball. Athleticism consists of jumping, size, speed and strength. Steve Nash would probably be a good example of a player who became great on skill alone. On the other side of the spectrum, players like deandre Jordan, Dwight Howard are guys who are purely athletic and physically gifted. Intangibles are effort and drive.

I don't even know how to respond to this other than to point out that at age 30 Lebron has the most assists on any non-point guard, and is 22nd on the all time list overall.

LeBron's shooting % is 49.6%, the same as Michael Jordan. Much higher than Curry's 47.4%. Also higher than Durant's 48.2%.

Furthermore, this is Curry's best shooting season of his career, at 51.1%. This pales in comparison with LeBron's best shooting seasons of 53.1%, 56.5% and 56.7%.

I really don't know how to prove dribbling skills, other than the fact that LeBron's career turnover per 36 minutes of 3.1 is lower than Curry's 3.3 and equal to Durants 3.1.

[jcardstore]

I don't even know how to respond to this other than to point out that at age 30 Lebron has the most assists on any non-point guard, and is 22nd on the all time list overall.

LeBron's shooting % is 49.6%, the same as Michael Jordan. Much higher than Curry's 47.4%. Also higher than Durant's 48.2%.

Furthermore, this is Curry's best shooting season of his career, at 51.1%. This pales in comparison with LeBron's best shooting seasons of 53.1%, 56.5% and 56.7%.

I really don't know how to prove dribbling skills, other than the fact that LeBron's career turnover per 36 minutes of 3.1 is lower than Curry's 3.3 and equal to Durants 3.1.

C'mon now, the only seasons that matter are last season and 1/4 of this one. All of LeBrons career averages are irrelevant. You should know that already :p

[Qwasian]

Please define "skills".

I'm really interested to see what you're going to come up with because you haven't really made much sense up to this point.

the easiest way to put it for you to understand is stephen curry would win a basketball skills challenge. do you understand what basketball skills are? they are similiar to the contest on allstar weekend.

[jcardstore]

the easiest way to put it for you to understand is stephen curry would win a basketball skills challenge. do you understand what basketball skills are? they are similiar to the contest on allstar weekend.

Pat Beverley won the skills challenge last year so he must be a better basketball player than LeBron, right?

[Qwasian]

I don't even know how to respond to this other than to point out that at age 30 Lebron has the most assists on any non-point guard, and is 22nd on the all time list overall.

LeBron's shooting % is 49.6%, the same as Michael Jordan. Much higher than Curry's 47.4%. Also higher than Durant's 48.2%.

Furthermore, this is Curry's best shooting season of his career, at 51.1%. This pales in comparison with LeBron's best shooting seasons of 53.1%, 56.5% and 56.7%.

I really don't know how to prove dribbling skills, other than the fact that LeBron's career turnover per 36 minutes of 3.1 is lower than Curry's 3.3 and equal to Durants 3.1.


of course lebrons stats are high, he runs every team he's on, that's the whole point, the game of basketball is bigger than just being a one man team putting up gaudy stats and not getting it done at the end of the day. buddy needs allstar caliber players by his side to win, that should tell you something about skill, if he's so dominant and makes all these guys so much better why is it that he fails alot of the time in getting it done? he's a great player with great athletic talent, but it takes more than just that to create a dynasty which they have been trying to emulate for the longest by pairing him with greatness and he can't get it done. curry got it done with great guys on his team, that says alot about him as a player, durant and lebron couldn't get it done with great people on there team, running down the court and scoring 40 with 15 rebounds just won't get it done man, and it's been proven time and time again. he turned kevin love into a regular LOW double double guy he didn't improve his game.

[Qwasian]

Pat Beverley won the skills challenge last year so he must be a better basketball player than LeBron, right?

stephen curry won the championship last year so he must be better than lebron and durant by your own definition right? man you set yourself up for that one.

[jcardstore]

of course lebrons stats are high, he runs every team he's on, that's the whole point, the game of basketball is bigger than just being a one man team putting up gaudy stats and not getting it done at the end of the day. buddy needs allstar caliber players by his side to win, that should tell you something about skill, if he's so dominant and makes all these guys so much better why is it that he fails alot of the time in getting it done? he's a great player with great athletic talent, but it takes more than just that to create a dynasty which they have been trying to emulate for the longest by pairing him with greatness and he can't get it done. curry got it done with great guys on his team, that says alot about him as a player, durant and lebron couldn't get it done with great people on there team, running down the court and scoring 40 with 15 rebounds just won't get it done man, and it's been proven time and time again. he turned kevin love into a regular LOW double double guy he didn't improve his game.

So nobody outside of Curry on Golden State is an All Star caliber player? Then why are Klay and Green going to make the all-star game?

Why are you still posting? What are you trying to prove? You're literally talking in circles saying the same ridiculous things over and over again.

stephen curry won the championship last year so he must be better than lebron and durant by your own definition right? man you set yourself up for that one.

Wait... What? Did this make sense to you when you typed it? What was my definition, exactly?

[Qwasian]

So nobody outside of Curry on Golden State is an All Star caliber player? Then why are Klay and Green going to make the all-star game?

Why are you still posting? What are you trying to prove? You're literally talking in circles saying the same ridiculous things over and over again.



Wait... What? Did this make sense to you when you typed it? What was my definition, exactly?

your just making up stuff I didn't say at this point...............

you made a claim that since someone wins something they are the best, that's not something I said or agree with, but I said if that's true then you killed your own statement because curry won the title.

you are trying to prove that curry isn't the best player, so what he's just lucky he won the title or what? just like patrick beverly is lucky he won the skill challenge? your just making up false scenarios that make no sense at this point........

[tjforce]

So nobody outside of Curry on Golden State is an All Star caliber player? Then why are Klay and Green going to make the all-star game?

Why are you still posting? What are you trying to prove? You're literally talking in circles saying the same ridiculous things over and over again.



Wait... What? Did this make sense to you when you typed it? What was my definition, exactly?

Don't even try using logic with this guy. His statements and thoughts are so twisted at this point there is way towards a rational stance.

Just smile, nod your head and agree that Patrick Beverly is the NBA's elite player.

[jcardstore]

your just making up stuff I didn't say at this point...............

you made a claim that since someone wins something they are the best, that's not something I said or agree with, but I said if that's true then you killed your own statement because curry won the title.

you are trying to prove that curry isn't the best player, so what he's just lucky he won the title or what? just like patrick beverly is lucky he won the skill challenge? your just making up false scenarios that make no sense at this point........

Talking to you is like talking to a brick wall. The saddest part is that I don't think you even realize that what you're saying makes no sense.

I never said anything about "since someone wins something they are the best" so you're the one making things up.

Don't even try using logic with this guy. His statements and thoughts are so twisted at this point there is way towards a rational stance.

Just smile, nod your head and agree that Patrick Beverly is the NBA's elite player.

I didn't see this cause I was writing my post lol but seriously, it's like debating with one of those pull string dolls that just keeps saying the same things over and over again lmao

[elee712]

I don't even know how to respond to this other than to point out that at age 30 Lebron has the most assists on any non-point guard, and is 22nd on the all time list overall.

LeBron's shooting % is 49.6%, the same as Michael Jordan. Much higher than Curry's 47.4%. Also higher than Durant's 48.2%.

Furthermore, this is Curry's best shooting season of his career, at 51.1%. This pales in comparison with LeBron's best shooting seasons of 53.1%, 56.5% and 56.7%.

I really don't know how to prove dribbling skills, other than the fact that LeBron's career turnover per 36 minutes of 3.1 is lower than Curry's 3.3 and equal to Durants 3.1.

I'm just mentioning the three facets I see in basketball...
skill
athleticism
drive/motivation

everything should fit in at least one of these caregories, some in multiple

if you in the top in all three, chances are you are probably considered a top player in the league

Obviously Lebron has it in all three so there's no disputing he's on of the top. Nobody's saying LeBron sucks.

As far as the shooting percentage, curry shoots a lot of 3s and a lot of Lebron's shots are in the paint so it doesn't surprise me he has a better shooting percentage but to even be that close given the type of shots each takes says something. That's why Curry might finish this season with the highest efficiency rating is NBA History.

[tjforce]

I'm just mentioning the three facets I see in basketball...
skill
athleticism
drive/motivation

everything should fit in at least one of these caregories, some in multiple

if you in the top in all three, chances are you are probably considered a top player in the league

Obviously Lebron has it in all three so there's no disputing he's on of the top. Nobody's saying LeBron sucks.

As far as the shooting percentage, curry shoots a lot of 3s and a lot of Lebron's shots are in the paint so it doesn't surprise me he has a better shooting percentage but to even be that close given the type of shots each takes says something. That's why Curry might finish this season with the highest efficiency rating is NBA History.


That's fine.... and if the question is who is the better 3 pt shooter, it's Curry all day. But the debate turned into whether or not Lebron is skilled or just an athlete. Giannis is a guy who you could say is just an amazing athlete at this point. Lebron is an all time great, and you don't become an all time great without being skilled.

[elee712]

That's fine.... and if the question is who is the better 3 pt shooter, it's Curry all day. But the debate turned into whether or not Lebron is skilled or just an athlete. Giannis is a guy who you could say is just an amazing athlete at this point. Lebron is an all time great, and you don't become an all time great without being skilled.

I agree with that although I don't think anybody really believes Lebron is all athlete and no skill. The debate as I saw it was who was more skilled out of Lebron and Curry.

[Qwasian]

Pat Beverley won the skills challenge last year so he must be a better basketball player than LeBron, right?


I never said anything about "since someone wins something they are the best" so you're the one making things up.


i'll just leave this here..........

[Qwasian]

Don't even try using logic with this guy. His statements and thoughts are so twisted at this point there is way towards a rational stance.

Just smile, nod your head and agree that Patrick Beverly is the NBA's elite player.

there are intangibles to a team winning a championship that lebron doesn't have, it's really just that simple, he needs a ton of things clicking his way for him to win a championship, his 40 points is nothing like a jordan 40 points or a steph curry 40 points, and I think we all know that's obvious, his 40 points is regular, jordan or steph's 40 points are amazing games. because they control the game into a win, lebron is just physical and hope he wins, there is a huge difference.

a guy can get 30 dunks and score 60 points..........

and another guy can get 3 pointers, 2 pointers, assists, and have a team effort to 60 points and the second guy is a more complete, skilled player.

lebron just puts the team on his back, constantly, which is also a certain type of skill, but it's athleticism not high IQ & skillset with a basketball.

like everyone keeps saying, every team would take him as a player, how many would take him as a coach or GM? *MINDBLOWN*.......... but I thought he had this high basketball IQ right?

[jcardstore]

i'll just leave this here..........

Add sarcasm to the list of things you don't understand.

[Qwasian]

Add sarcasm to the list of things you don't understand.

I know, when you are trying to win a debate you make up stuff, lie, blame, call it sarcasm, whatever it is, you still weren't correct though...... it's cool.....:)!

you got so into the debate you didn't even know what you said, and said you didn't say it.... so what more really needs to be said? you proved yourself you don't know what your talking about. :D

[bdoody42]

Because a good chunk of his shots in the paint (non-RA) are 7-10' back down fade aways, he dribbles the clock out and takes lots of low percentage shots which is really frustrating to watch.

I just looked at the shot charts and Curry makes alot of free throw line floaters and jumpers

With Lebron's physical advantages he gets to basically choose what area of the court he shoots from. He can post up and players at his position or take them off the dribble. The fact that he cant finish in the paint better then Curry really is strange.

Another strange thing that Lebron fans keep brining up is career percentages and numbers. Career wise no one is arguing that Curry is better then Lebron. People are saying that Curry has become the best player in the league over the last year or so. Its not that far-fetched of an argument.

Too many homers and trolls from both sides that cant debate intelligently.

[elee712]

As crazy as it sounds, I think you're undervaluing your team. There are few players in the history of the game that can go on a scoring run like klay can and how many players can come off the bench and earn finals mvp? The Warriors are much more then a brilliant steph curry.

see what I mean now?
With Curry, I would have no doubt Warriors would be up at half against these Mavs and likely with a decent lead.

[pingbling23]

see what I mean now?
With Curry, I would have no doubt Warriors would be up at half against these Mavs and likely with a decent lead.

Well the Warriors are missing several players so the rotation is messed up. The Warriors offense isn't getting them beat, it's their defense. But it does hurt when your two best players are a combined 6-22. Or Dallas just cant miss? But yes, playing without curry is hurting them.

[Thebirdman321]

Came here to see if people thought Durant could get back on top.... But just like every thread on here I saw the Curry vs. Lebron debate.

[elee712]

Well the Warriors are missing several players so the rotation is messed up. The Warriors offense isn't getting them beat, it's their defense. But it does hurt when your two best players are a combined 6-22. Or Dallas just cant miss? But yes, playing without curry is hurting them.

I like Klay but he can never be the best player on a good team. He is just too hot and cold.
besides curry's scoring abilities, he just gets people easier and better shots. On top of that, Opponents defense works harder trying to stop Steph which affects them on the offensive end.
People say that the team is just deep and not giving Curry much credit for the success of the team but without him, they will look like they do now against the Mavs more often than not.
Warriors have dominated the Mavs the past several years...the reason for them performing like this now is no secret.

[bdoody42]

Klay and Draymond each shoot 4-15......Curry is the catalyst for this team. He makes the whole offense go.

[asujbl]

Wow... amazing what happens to Golden State when they are missing their All Star PG... Funny how that works.

Kyrie wouldn't have made a difference though. No big deal.

[bdoody42]

Wow... amazing what happens to Golden State when they are missing their All Star PG... Funny how that works.

Kyrie wouldn't have made a difference though. No big deal.

I agree it's foolish to think that Irving be out last year wasn't a factor. Cleveland would have been able to score more if he plays. That being said just because he plays doesn't guarantee a win for Cleveland. He isn't on the same level as Curry. Irving has never proven he could lead a team steam to the playoffs as the number one option.

[elee712]

Wow... amazing what happens to Golden State when they are missing their All Star PG... Funny how that works.

Kyrie wouldn't have made a difference though. No big deal.

Better comparison is if Cleveland did not have lebron. Losing Kyrie wouldn't make nearly the same impact. That would be like the warriors losing klay... and as you saw the warriors were still able to win.

[JasonM32]

Curry vs Lebron arguments seem to be the new Lebron vs Kobe.

Anyway....

Durant is an otherworldly scorer and seems like a great teammate. Winning, not so much. Basketball IQ, questionable. Injuries and the emergence of other stars have derailed his hype machine. Unfortunately, the NBA hype machine is almost as important as your game. I think Durant needs to play with a true point guard that will lead the team and pass him the ball. Everybody can see it but playing with Westbrook is hurting him.

[tjforce]

Curry vs Lebron arguments seem to be the new Lebron vs Kobe.

Anyway....

Durant is an otherworldly scorer and seems like a great teammate. Winning, not so much. Basketball IQ, questionable. Injuries and the emergence of other stars have derailed his hype machine. Unfortunately, the NBA hype machine is almost as important as your game. I think Durant needs to play with a true point guard that will lead the team and pass him the ball. Everybody can see it but playing with Westbrook is hurting him.

Thanks for sticking on topic! Good take.

It will be interesting to see what happens is Durant and Westbrook ever have full seasons away from each other

[pingbling23]

Thanks for sticking on topic! Good take.

It will be interesting to see what happens is Durant and Westbrook ever have full seasons away from each other

i dont see them staying together, can okc even afford 2 all nba players like this?

[bulljh]

It will be fun to see Durant in a Warrior uniform next season!