2012 National Treasures RPA rank
 

I'm just trying to gauge how successful this years will be compared to last years.
I looked at the RPA and came up with what I think this years top 10 is feel free to rearrange and add/remove.

1)Luck
2)Griffin
3)Wilson
4)Tannehill
5)Martin
6)Richardson
7)Weeden
8)Foles
9)Osweiler
10)Blackmon

Also here are what I think was 2011 top 10 at release.

1)Newton
2)Dalton
3)Locker
4)Murray
5)Mallett
6)Ponder
7)AJ Green
8)Julio Jones
9) Ingram
10)Gabbert


And how much more or less valuable do you think 2012/2011 will be for each spot?

2012:
1)Luck
2)Griffin
3)Wilson
4)Richardson
5)Tannehill
6)Martin
7)Foles
8)Blackmon
9)Weeden
10)Osweiler

2011:

1)Newton
2)Dalton
3)Green
4)Murray
5)Locker
6)Jones
7)Ponder
8)Ingram
9)Mallett
10)Gabbert

[QUOTE=sunsfan8;4547600]2012:
1)Luck
2)Griffin
3)Wilson
4)Richardson
5)Tannehill
6)Martin
7)Foles
8)Blackmon
9)Weeden
10)Osweiler

2011:

1)Newton
2)Dalton
3)Green
4)Murray
5)Locker
6)Jones
7)Ponder
8)Ingram
9)Mallett
10)Gabbert[/QUOTE]


Do you think Luck /99 will sell the same as Newton /99 during the first week?

[QUOTE=rojallad;4547672]Do you think Luck /99 will sell the same as Newton /99 during the first week?[/QUOTE]

I'm going to guess a bit more.

[QUOTE=rojallad;4547672]Do you think Luck /99 will sell the same as Newton /99 during the first week?[/QUOTE]

I think less due to the fact the number of amazing patches (panther head) will be less due to the smaller window and not everybody is too fond of the design.

Whoever put Weeden and Foles over Brock Osweiler is nuts. I guess I may be a bit of a homer and going off of sale value but Osweiler is 7th at worst

[QUOTE=sunsfan8;4547698]I think less due to the fact the number of amazing patches (panther head) will be less due to the smaller window and not everybody is too fond of the design.[/QUOTE]


Ok so you think luck rpas will be <$1200 during the first week?

[QUOTE=rojallad;4547773]Ok so you think luck rpas will be <$1200 during the first week?[/QUOTE]

$1750-1500. Newtons were $2k opening week.

[QUOTE=BroncosFAN#1;4547715]Whoever put Weeden and Foles over Brock Osweiler is nuts. I guess I may be a bit of a homer and going off of sale value but Osweiler is 7th at worst[/QUOTE]

They will sell for similar amounts at release.

I think Pierce and Lamar Miller will sell pretty well at the start.

[QUOTE=sunsfan8;4547776]$1750-1500. Newtons were $2k opening week.[/QUOTE]


Newtons /99 were $950><$1400 at release.

[QUOTE=rojallad;4547802]Newtons /99 were $950><$1400 at release.[/QUOTE]

Really? I thought right after release they were $2k. Then they dropped down to $1k.

[QUOTE=sunsfan8;4547806]Really? I thought right after release they were $2k. Then they dropped down to $1k.[/QUOTE]

Then/25 and /5 hit close to and over $2k. The /99s did not. So if Luck at $1500-$1700 still?

[QUOTE=rojallad;4547820]Then/25 and /5 hit close to and over $2k. The /99s did not. So if Luck at $1500-$1700 still?[/QUOTE]

Huh, I wonder why I thought the base sold for $2k.:confused: Yeah, Luck should be $1.5k, but time will tell.

[QUOTE=sunsfan8;4547829]Huh, I wonder why I thought the base sold for $2k.:confused: Yeah, Luck should be $1.5k, but time will tell.[/QUOTE]


I dont know. But I am SURE they did not hit 2K

The design is terrible, and Luck ONLY has two colors available on the jersey. That will affect things greatly, even though the jersey shouldnt matter because they only wear them for 2 seconds at the premiere.

[QUOTE=ajscards101;4547779]I think Pierce and Lamar Miller will sell pretty well at the start.[/QUOTE]

Does anyone know if Alfred Morris or Bryce Brown will be in the set or is it only rookie premire players? With thier stats they would add value to the highly priced product IMO.

I think some nicer RG3 patches could go for as much as lucks.

Also, has there been a checklist released? Just wondering if Josh Gordon will have an RPA

This year is going to be hot out the gate, but drop fast, boring/horrible design RPA...

Are the RPA going to be /5 /25 /49 /99 again? I know they put in the printing plate 1/1s which was a horrible idea, put more 1/1s in a high end product to take away from the main event...perhaps a redemption for the entire set of 4 would have been better and more desirable IMO

On the ranking. it is not possible to rank last year vs this year

2011 design was not great, but far ahead of this year
Cam Newton had logo panther patches, luck does not
Overall 2012 is the worst looking NT ever IMO

1/1 SHields are all i will buy if the price is right or maybe some platinums to flip

[QUOTE=badsims;4549163]Does anyone know if Alfred Morris or Bryce Brown will be in the set or is it only rookie premire players? With thier stats they would add value to the highly priced product IMO.[/QUOTE]


They will prolly be base Rcs. They won't have RPAs

[QUOTE=Zacy87;4549172]I think some nicer RG3 patches could go for as much as lucks.

Also, has there been a checklist released? Just wondering if Josh Gordon will have an RPA[/QUOTE]


I think only the players at the Premier would be RPAs.

[QUOTE=Razorsharp79;4549216]This year is going to be hot out the gate, but drop fast, boring/horrible design RPA...

Are the RPA going to be /5 /25 /49 /99 again? I know they put in the printing plate 1/1s which was a horrible idea, put more 1/1s in a high end product to take away from the main event...perhaps a redemption for the entire set of 4 would have been better and more desirable IMO

On the ranking. it is not possible to rank last year vs this year

2011 design was not great, but far ahead of this year
Cam Newton had logo panther patches, luck does not
Overall 2012 is the worst looking NT ever IMO

1/1 SHields are all i will buy if the price is right or maybe some platinums to flip[/QUOTE]

I know who to come to when I hit my 1/1s!

[QUOTE=Razorsharp79;4549216]This year is going to be hot out the gate, but drop fast, boring/horrible design RPA...

Are the RPA going to be /5 /25 /49 /99 again? I know they put in the printing plate 1/1s which was a horrible idea, put more 1/1s in a high end product to take away from the main event...perhaps a redemption for the entire set of 4 would have been better and more desirable IMO

On the ranking. it is not possible to rank last year vs this year

2011 design was not great, but far ahead of this year
Cam Newton had logo panther patches, luck does not
Overall 2012 is the worst looking NT ever IMO

1/1 SHields are all i will buy if the price is right or maybe some platinums to flip[/QUOTE]

I like this year better than last year. Last year was a train wreck.

Comparing this years NT vs last year. Who would you compare Russell Wilson to interns of initial sales?

Are Luck/Griffin/Wilson = Newton. Again just considering what they might do in the first week of sales.

Luck ~= Newton peak
Griffin 90% of Newton peak
Wilson 75-80% of Newton peak

?

Trying to figure out something....maybe you all can help? I calculated 174 Luck "true" rookies in this set. There are 34 other RPAs in the set. So total you have 6090 RPA. If you get 1 RPA per box and 4 boxes in a case. That would mean there are only 1522.5 cases. Someone please help me out if I am messing something up....

[QUOTE=bigmikeatl88;4551168]Luck ~= Newton peak
Griffin 90% of Newton peak
Wilson 75-80% of Newton peak

?[/QUOTE]

Really think Wilson is a $1k+ card at peak?

[QUOTE=KJCBALLER;4551222]Trying to figure out something....maybe you all can help? I calculated 174 Luck "true" rookies in this set. There are 34 other RPAs in the set. So total you have 6090 RPA. If you get 1 RPA per box and 4 boxes in a case. That would mean there are only 1522.5 cases. Someone please help me out if I am messing something up....[/QUOTE]

35 other rookies. There were 36 at the premier.

[QUOTE=KJCBALLER;4551222]Trying to figure out something....maybe you all can help? I calculated 174 Luck "true" rookies in this set. There are 34 other RPAs in the set. So total you have 6090 RPA. If you get 1 RPA per box and 4 boxes in a case. That would mean there are only 1522.5 cases. Someone please help me out if I am messing something up....[/QUOTE]

RPAs won't come out one per box, it'll be more like one for every 2-3 boxes. And unless I'm mistaken, there are other rookies with a higher print run than 99 (199, I'm assuming), so that will bump the numbers too. They're probably producing somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-6000 cases.

Okay... so 6264 then divide by 4 = 1566 cases?


[QUOTE=rojallad;4551237]35 other rookies. There were 36 at the premier.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=brado8236;4551283]RPAs won't come out one per box, it'll be more like one for every 2-3 boxes. And unless I'm mistaken, there are other rookies with a higher print run than 99 (199, I'm assuming), so that will bump the numbers too. They're probably producing somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-6000 cases.[/QUOTE]

I think all of the cards in the set top out at /99.

[QUOTE=brado8236;4551283]RPAs won't come out one per box, it'll be more like one for every 2-3 boxes. And unless I'm mistaken, there are other rookies with a higher print run than 99 (199, I'm assuming), so that will bump the numbers too. They're probably producing somewhere in the neighborhood of 5-6000 cases.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=KJCBALLER;4551292]Okay... so 6264 then divide by 4 = 1566 cases?[/QUOTE]

KJCBaller - you also forgot brado's point. The RPA's haven't fallen one per box in a couple years, they will be 2 maybe 3 per case. With the higher end vet on-card auto's and now the books being introduced most likely as box hits you can safely double to triple your estimate. I had a couple cases last year that only yielded me 1 RPA. Figure closer to 4500 cases.

On the topic, I think David Wilson will be in the top 10 because he is probably the starter for the Giants with Bradshaw gone.

Also, the base rpa are /99 and rpas are usually 2 to 3 in a case.

[QUOTE=sunsfan8;4547806]Really? I thought right after release they were $2k. Then they dropped down to $1k.[/QUOTE]

It all depended on the patch. The panther heads /49 were 2k-2.2k out the gates, while the regular 3 colors /99 were around 1300-1500

[QUOTE=hche;4552273]On the topic, I think David Wilson will be in the top 10 because he is probably the starter for the Giants with Bradshaw gone.

Also, the base rpa are /99 and rpas are usually 2 to 3 in a case.[/QUOTE]

I think Wilson/Blackmon will be tied for 10 spot. I remember getting 2-3 per case last year and the Vet autos being another hit. Now we get books and plates.

[QUOTE=ninjacookies;4552571]It all depended on the patch. The panther heads /49 were 2k-2.2k out the gates, while the regular 3 colors /99 were around 1300-1500[/QUOTE]


Exactly, I think the /99 peaked at $1400 or so. but the /49 and /49 ranged from $1900-$2800 or so