Winston vs Mariota

[devo]

Mariota and Winston will be co-GOATs

[shultsy24]

Mariota is king at 5 yard slant routes. Take it for what you will, but I'd rather have a guy that will take chances and move the ball Down the field than and dink and dunker. He is extremely uncomfortable throwing the ball farther than 15 yards. Winston is the clear cut leader in tampa, getting better by the game. I think they will both be good, but in the end I see winston being better. It's only a matter of time before nfl teams pick up on the check down routes and shut them down.

[JMPKCP]

I honestly think that week by week the "who is better" changes. Mariota has unquestionably had bigger games, but he has more to work with IMO.

[darkman]

Originally Posted by JMPKCP

I honestly think that week by week the "who is better" changes. Mariota has unquestionably had bigger games, but he has more to work with IMO.

I disagree, he has had 3 different guys at starting RB and his best receiver is Delanie Walker.. JW has Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a good RB in Doug Martin. JW clearly has better weapons.

[NoleinJax]

Originally Posted by darkman

I disagree, he has had 3 different guys at starting RB and his best receiver is Delanie Walker.. JW has Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a good RB in Doug Martin. JW clearly has better weapons.

They are great weapons when they do their job, but when Evans is dropping 6 passes in a game he goes from being a weapon to a liability.

[starfox]

Originally Posted by darkman

I disagree, he has had 3 different guys at starting RB and his best receiver is Delanie Walker.. JW has Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson and a good RB in Doug Martin. JW clearly has better weapons.

Disagree all you will, but Mike Evans has played soft almost all year. He plays as though he is trying to avoid injury. Kendall Wright and Delanie Walker are little better than Evans, Jackson, and company right now. But I must say that the Bucs' offensive line is playing better than I thought it would.

[fullmetal]

Originally Posted by starfox

Disagree all you will, but Mike Evans has played soft almost all year. He plays as though he is trying to avoid injury. Kendall Wright and Delanie Walker are little better than Evans, Jackson, and company right now. But I must say that the Bucs' offensive line is playing better than I thought it would.

My brow wrinkled too when I read that. Evans can't catch a tennis ball with Velcro gloves. The rest of the receivers were pulled off high school teams because of the injuries to all the NFL/NCAA caliber receivers on the Bucs' roster. During many plays it looks like Winston is stuck throwing to a receiving core of pee-wee players. They can't catch when left completely wide open.

Without any receivers the defense can focus on stopping the run.

I have no idea how good/bad Winston can/will be. We sure can't see it with the assets provided to him this season.

[majestik101]

Let's not jump the gun on Mike Evans. He will be fine. It's not the end of the world. Though if he has another game with 5+ drops, or shows a trend of dropping balls, then it might be time to start worrying. But I suspect he won't have another game like that in his career. The dude can flat out play.

[devo]

Through 10 games:

Titans: 2-8
Buccaneers: 5-5

Mariota: 169/259; 65.3%; 2,026 YDS; 13 TD; 6 INT; 61.2 QBR; 96.1 RAT
Winston: 183/314; 58.3%; 2,405 YDS; 15 TD; 9 INT; 63.2 QBR; 84.5 RAT

[Eckstein197]

I would say if this is a week by week competition, Jameis won this week lol

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by devo

Through 10 games:

Titans: 2-8
Buccaneers: 5-5

Mariota: 169/259; 65.3%; 2,026 YDS; 13 TD; 6 INT; 61.2 QBR; 96.1 RAT
Winston: 183/314; 58.3%; 2,405 YDS; 15 TD; 9 INT; 63.2 QBR; 84.5 RAT

Winston needed 5 TDs against 2nd worst defense i've seen (Saints clearly first) and he's still barely better than Mariota who missed 2 games lol.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by devo

Through 10 games:

Titans: 2-8
Buccaneers: 5-5

Mariota: 169/259; 65.3%; 2,026 YDS; 13 TD; 6 INT; 61.2 QBR; 96.1 RAT
Winston: 183/314; 58.3%; 2,405 YDS; 15 TD; 9 INT; 63.2 QBR; 84.5 RAT

Evans and V Jax vs. Kendall Wright and DGB
Martin and Simms vs. Andrews and Mccluster

I'll give Mariota the edge in TE only because ASJ is a fragile girlscout, but Walker has been battling injuries himself

Otherwise, Mariota is doing more with much less, imo.

[mma138]

better then the luck /griffin year ? oh wait nevermind......... that year had Russell too

[bwallstreet]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Winston needed 5 TDs against 2nd worst defense i've seen (Saints clearly first) and he's still barely better than Mariota who missed 2 games lol.

LMAO, please. Guy didn't include Jameis has 4 rushing TDs, Mariota only 1, along with Mariota being 2nd highest in NFL with 4 fumbles lost, Jameis only has 1.

Mariota has 14 total touchdowns and 10 total turnovers, while Jameis has 19 total touchdowns and 10 total turnovers. So Mariota has the same amount of turnovers in 2 less games, and 5 less touchdowns, while averaging less than 2 per game.

Mariota also has 24 sacks in 8 games(3 sacks per game), and Jameis has 17 in 10 games(1.7 sacks per game) because Jameis has shown Big Ben type ability to shrug off pass rushers and get the ball out of his hand while still being pressured.

Hilarious how people cherry pick stats

[Wolves4Life]

Originally Posted by bwallstreet

LMAO, please. Guy didn't include Jameis has 4 rushing TDs, Mariota only 1, along with Mariota being 2nd highest in NFL with 4 fumbles lost, Jameis only has 1.

Mariota has 14 total touchdowns and 10 total turnovers, while Jameis has 19 total touchdowns and 10 total turnovers. So Mariota has the same amount of turnovers in 2 less games, and 5 less touchdowns, while averaging less than 2 per game.

Mariota also has 24 sacks in 8 games(3 sacks per game), and Jameis has 17 in 10 games(1.7 sacks per game) because Jameis has shown Big Ben type ability to shrug off pass rushers and get the ball out of his hand while still being pressured.

Hilarious how people cherry pick stats

Winston also has better talent around him.

[bwallstreet]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Winston also has better talent around him.

Worst NFL team in 2014

No major defensive upgrades, only changes on offense are Jameis and a few OL(2 of which are rookies)

Week 1 happened

Bucs defense 26th in scoring defense, Titans 18th

Last 3 games before Philadelphia, Jameis was missing #2 WR Vincent Jackson, #3 WR Louis Murphy, #1 TE Austin Seferian-Jenkins. Bucs were 2-1 during that stretch, Jameis scoring in final minute to beat Cowboys and driving us for a GW score in OT vs Atlanta.

Against Philly only Jackson came back, threw TDs to Mike Evans, Vincent Jackson, Charles Sims, Russell Shepard, Cameron Brate.

The "better talent" argument is super weak.

[MC80_LCM]

While I do think Winston has been more impressive than Mariota, to say he doesn't have superior talent around him really is just wrong. While its not a ton better its certainly better. Walker is pretty much the only player on the Titans that I would take over the same position player on the Bucs.

Running Game: Bucs are 2nd in the league and the Titans are 21st
Main RB - Doug Martin >>>>>>>>>>>Antonio Andrews
3rd Down RB - Charles Sims >>>Dexter Mcluster.

#1 WR - Mike Evans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kendall Wright(I honestly don't know who the Titans would consider their #1)
#2 WR - Vincent Jackson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dorial Green Beckham
#3 WR - Adam Humphries = Harry Douglas
TE - Walker >>>>>>>>Cameron Brate/Brandon Myers although this gets a lot closer if ASJ ever comes back.

Once again, I don't think its entirely the reason that Winston has been better, imo, than Mariota but the Titans skill position players are right up there with San Fran and St. Louis as the worst in the league.

[bwallstreet]

Originally Posted by MC80_LCM

While I do think Winston has been more impressive than Mariota, to say he doesn't have superior talent around him really is just wrong. While its not a ton better its certainly better. Walker is pretty much the only player on the Titans that I would take over the same position player on the Bucs.

Running Game: Bucs are 2nd in the league and the Titans are 21st
Main RB - Doug Martin >>>>>>>>>>>Antonio Andrews
3rd Down RB - Charles Sims >>>Dexter Mcluster.

#1 WR - Mike Evans>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Kendall Wright(I honestly don't know who the Titans would consider their #1)
#2 WR - Vincent Jackson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Dorial Green Beckham
#3 WR - Adam Humphries = Harry Douglas
TE - Walker >>>>>>>>Cameron Brate/Brandon Myers although this gets a lot closer if ASJ ever comes back.

Once again, I don't think its entirely the reason that Winston has been better, imo, than Mariota but the Titans skill position players are right up there with San Fran and St. Louis as the worst in the league.

Adam Humphries does not equal Harry Douglas, that is silly and stupid. Harry Douglas was a 3rd round pick in 2008, who has a 1000 yard season on his resume and has caught a touchdown in every season of his career. Adam Humphries is an undrafted free agent who has spent most of the year on the practice squad, has 16 catches and no TDs in his rookie year. Apples and oranges.

For the Atlanta, New York and Dallas games besides Mike Evans we had 2 undrafted free agent rookies(Donteea Dye and Adam Humphries) and 3rd year undrafted free agent Russell Shepard, 26 career catches between the 3 of them.

Superior talent is not the reason Jameis has the worst team in the NFL in 2014 one game back of the wildcard in 7th place in the NFC. He is leading us to victory with HIS talent and HIS effort. Go watch the OT drive in Atlanta, where he is getting passes off with 2 pass rushers hanging on him.

Our defense is 26th in points score per game and Jameis still finds a way to win.

It's a weak argument by people who can't come up with a better argument.

[starfox]

Originally Posted by Wolves4Life

Winston also has better talent around him.

So there always has to be a slight when Winston does well. It's still early; we don't know who will the better of the two. Nevertheless, when Mariota does well, he gets a considerable amount of praise. Look - like who you want to like, but I have enjoyed them both to this point. Being an FSU fan, I prefer Winston over Mariota, but I also think Mariota has had bright moments (like his first NFL game against Winston). Honestly, with the way Tampa's receivers have dropped the ball this season, I would say that those receivers have underachieved, thus being no greater than Tennessee's receivers. The difference overall is that Tampa is playing better and growing as a team while Tennessee is stuck in the mud right now. The success of these two quarterbacks will depend on the competence of others in these two organizations more than them. I don't care if you're Elway or Montana - teams win games, not quarterbacks alone.

[majestik101]

Just saw this.

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[darkman]

Man, we will definitely have to agree to disagree.. I would rather have Jackson and Evans over Wright and whoever the Titans #2 reviever is , any day of the week. Plus Martin.. Yeah you guys are nuts.

[Shinypsptitans]

Mariota 87 yard td run insane

[starfox]

Touchdown pass by Winston!

[Eckstein197]

Mariota had a long touchdown run but Winston's 20 yard run on 3rd and forever was dang important too. How many QBs in the league could take a couple of hits like that, stay on their feet and still scramble 8 more yards

[starfox]

Originally Posted by Eckstein197

Mariota had a long touchdown run but Winston's 20 yard run on 3rd and forever was dang important too. How many QBs in the league could take a couple of hits like that, stay on their feet and still scramble 8 more yards

Spot on.