New England vs. Denver Game Thread - Page 10

Hess687 · 01-20-2016, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mfisher27

Do you mean seasons? Because it's not games started, Brady holds that record at 30. Brady also holds the most postseason wins with 22. Peyton does hold a postseason record but it's for the most losses (13).

Postseason APPEARANCES.....no QB has made more postseason APPEARANCES than Peyton Manning.

SaveMeTheGum · 01-20-2016, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Hess687

Postseason APPEARANCES.....no QB has made more postseason APPEARANCES than Peyton Manning.

Edit: nevermind -- I see what you're saying

Brady will catch and pass him

DalliLlama11 · 01-20-2016, 06:22 PM

Ehhhh

mfisher27 · 01-20-2016, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Hess687

Postseason APPEARANCES.....no QB has made more postseason APPEARANCES than Peyton Manning.

I see. So Peyton has 15 APPEARANCES and Tom Brady has 13 APPEARANCES. That sounds great and all but I think literally everyone on this message board would rather have the record for most starts and most wins. And I'm also guessing no one would want the record for playoff losses. APPEARANCES don't mean anything if you lose at the frequency Peyton does, especially when it's the first game of the playoffs. Do people really care that much that the Braves won however many straight division titles? I'm guessing some die hard braves fans do but they won 1 World Series.

Hess687 · 01-20-2016, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

That's a Peyton Manning record? I never would have guessed that.

Yeah he holds the record with 15 postseason appearances made by a qb. Brady is only 2 behind, so with health on his side that may be a record Brady breaks. In the end Brady will own most of the postseason records and Manning will own most of the overall records held by a QB.

To each their own who they think is better. I obviously know a bunch of people's answers after skimming thru this thread, definitely Boston heavy, but either way it's been fun to watch both play and sad to watch it come to an end.

Hoping for a great game on Sunday.

mfisher27 · 01-20-2016, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by DalliLlama11

One and done means he won 1 game and lost the second.

1 in done in college basketball is being there one year and leaving the 2nd. You would just be done if you lost the first po game.

1 playoff game and done doesn't mean you won a playoff game and lost the second, it means you were in 1 playoff game and lost. You're correct in the eligibility situation but not in this situation.

DalliLlama11 · 01-20-2016, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mfisher27

1 playoff game and done doesn't mean you won a playoff game and lost the second, it means you were in 1 playoff game and lost. You're correct in the eligibility situation but not in this situation.

I edited, I was going by NBA, I know what you were referring to. Had a brain fart,

BostonNut · 01-20-2016, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Hess687

Yeah he holds the record with 15 postseason appearances made by a qb. Brady is only 2 behind, so with health on his side that may be a record Brady breaks. In the end Brady will own most of the postseason records and Manning will own most of the overall records held by a QB.

To each their own who they think is better. I obviously know a bunch of people's answers after skimming thru this thread, definitely Boston heavy, but either way it's been fun to watch both play and sad to watch it come to an end.

Hoping for a great game on Sunday.

I would have guessed an old time Pittsburgh or Dallas player.

Hess687 · 01-20-2016, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by mfisher27

I see. So Peyton has 15 APPEARANCES and Tom Brady has 13 APPEARANCES. That sounds great and all but I think literally everyone on this message board would rather have the record for most starts and most wins. And I'm also guessing no one would want the record for playoff losses. APPEARANCES don't mean anything if you lose at the frequency Peyton does, especially when it's the first game of the playoffs. Do people really care that much that the Braves won however many straight division titles? I'm guessing some die hard braves fans do but they won 1 World Series.

For one second take the Pro Patriots sentiment out of your argument and just have a conversation. It's okay to give Peyton Manning credit he deserves. It's not always a Manning v Brady argument.

No one is arguing the most starts and wins thing. These were just stats being stated and then you seem to have to defend Tom Brady when no defending was needed.

It's okay for Peyton Manning to be great. Tom Brady can still be great too.

Hess687 · 01-20-2016, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

I would have guessed an old time Pittsburgh or Dallas player.

Yeah I just realized that stat the other day when Darren Rovell mentioned it. Not sure if you're on twitter but he tweets some of the most interesting sports related stuff there is. If I could only follow one person it would be Rovell. Some people hate him, but he literally preps tweets to send out full of knowledgeable things that may have happened on this date 30 years ago or records some may not be aware of.

19royaldecker87 · 01-20-2016, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Hess687

For one second take the Pro Patriots sentiment out of your argument and just have a conversation. It's okay to give Peyton Manning credit he deserves. It's not always a Manning v Brady argument.

No one is arguing the most starts and wins thing. These were just stats being stated and then you seem to have to defend Tom Brady when no defending was needed.

It's okay for Peyton Manning to be great. Tom Brady can still be great too.

very well said

devo · 01-20-2016, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by mfisher27

When people refer to one and done, it's when he losses the first game of the playoffs. I think that's happened 9 times. So 9 times his team got to the playoffs and didn't win a single game.

To me it's a misleading stat. You need to look at each individual game to really get a feel for how Manning performs in the playoffs.

Out of those 9 losses, 7 of them came by 6 points or less. I can remember 2 of those games off the top of my head that were out of Peyton's control at the very end.

In 2005 against the Steelers, Mike Vanderjagt (Colts kicker) missed a potential game tying 46 yard field goal in the final seconds that would have sent the game to overtime. Instead the Colts lost 21-18 because the kicker choked. Tony Dungy has repeatedly stated that he believes the 2005 Colts were his best team and they very well could have won the SB that year if they had been able to get past the Steelers.

In 2012 against the Ravens there was the infamous blown coverage by the Broncos defense that allowed Joe Flacco to throw a 70 yard TD pass with 31 seconds left to send it to OT, where the Ravens eventually won by a field goal.

There were other instances where the Colts defense was so weak that they were unable to hold the leads Peyton would give them at the end of games. Every individual game is different. Peyton actually has a slightly lower career INT % in the playoffs than he does in the regular season.

RogerGodahell · 01-20-2016, 07:18 PM

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Put 30 patriot fans in a room and ask them what happened. When none of them can agree on what happened or how many balls were deflated and half respond 'the colts would have lost anyway' you will see part of the problem in finding them competent as a group from an outsider perspective.

When Brady is suspended and the ball boys are finally located to speak to 60 minutes we have our answer.

Its more the 'where theres smoke theres fire' scenario and this one has ball boys that are not allowed to speak to the public and former employees admitting sketchy doings and Spygate fines and draft pick penalties and public apologies in the rearview. Not to mention Brady's nervousness lawyered up talk at the press conference. Its not like he has done 1000 interviews before right?

Its a repeat offender showing up in court with new neck tattoos and a black eye and 2 missing accomplisses. It falls to close to OBVIOUS for me.

If im wrong I'll apologize.

When you say former employees admit to doing sketchy things do you have any names? Or was that just some article you read about an anonymous source. I do remember hearing about the locker room and hotel stuff but there was never a name linked to any of it.

88horsepower · 01-20-2016, 07:35 PM

I have no problem saying that Tom Brady has enjoyed more postseason success than Peyton Manning, or that Brady has a better overall resume than Manning.

However, I have a serious problem with people labeling Manning a choker. People see what they want to see and I sense that for some reason, people like to look for anything that suggests Manning is a choker and jump all over it without looking at gestalt. It's like they take one play and say "see, he's such a choker for throwing that pick" without recognizing that he practically carried his team to that point or that his defense gave up nearly 500 yards of offense.

devo · 01-20-2016, 07:50 PM

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I have no problem saying that Tom Brady has enjoyed more postseason success than Peyton Manning, or that Brady has a better overall resume than Manning.

However, I have a serious problem with people labeling Manning a choker. People see what they want to see and I sense that for some reason, people like to look for anything that suggests Manning is a choker and jump all over it without looking at gestalt. It's like they take one play and say "see, he's such a choker for throwing that pick" without recognizing that he practically carried his team to that point or that his defense gave up nearly 500 yards of offense.

I'll never forget one of the things that pissed me off the most was when people were calling Peyton a choker for the bad snap to start the Super Bowl against the Seahawks. As if that was his fault. That's when I truly started to realize the pure ignorance of some people when it comes to the definition of choking.

BostonNut · 01-20-2016, 09:17 PM

Von Miller says he only needs one second to get to Brady...

Von Miller: Tom Brady throws in 2 seconds, I only need 1 second | ProFootballTalk

Man....I thought Denver used to be as tight-lipped as New England...since when does this stuff leak out from them?

19royaldecker87 · 01-20-2016, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

Von Miller says he only needs one second to get to Brady...

Von Miller: Tom Brady throws in 2 seconds, I only need 1 second | ProFootballTalk

Man....I thought Denver used to be as tight-lipped as New England...since when does this stuff leak out from them?

I feel like all the talking is just a mental game, I kinda wish that they would stop talking so much. during Broncos super bowl winning years they wouldn't say anything

HBMC · 01-20-2016, 09:40 PM

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I have no problem saying that Tom Brady has enjoyed more postseason success than Peyton Manning, or that Brady has a better overall resume than Manning.

However, I have a serious problem with people labeling Manning a choker. People see what they want to see and I sense that for some reason, people like to look for anything that suggests Manning is a choker and jump all over it without looking at gestalt. It's like they take one play and say "see, he's such a choker for throwing that pick" without recognizing that he practically carried his team to that point or that his defense gave up nearly 500 yards of offense.

Apparently Romo sucked when he helped orchestrate 48 points and 522 yards of offense in a loss.

BostonNut · 01-20-2016, 09:42 PM

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I feel like all the talking is just a mental game, I kinda wish that they would stop talking so much. during Broncos super bowl winning years they wouldn't say anything

A mental game for who?

Denver? If they need to pump themselves up with trash talk then they've already lost (in my opinion.)

New England? Heck, they hear this crap every week.

coltsnsox07 · 01-20-2016, 09:49 PM

Yep, way too much sabre rattling by Denver.

19royaldecker87 · 01-20-2016, 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BostonNut

A mental game for who?

Denver? If they need to pump themselves up with trash talk then they've already lost (in my opinion.)

New England? Heck, they hear this crap every week.

from what I heard on Denver sports radio today, about what Antonio smith said about Brady being a crybaby was they were speculating that he (smith) was hoping the refs paid attention so when brady whines after every play that refs wont throw bogus flags for late hits and such. kinda dumb in my opinion. anyways GO BRONCOS!!!!!!!!!!!

88horsepower · 01-20-2016, 10:17 PM

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Apparently Romo sucked when he helped orchestrate 48 points and 522 yards of offense in a loss.

Ugh, I felt so bad for him after that game. Guy has an amazing performance where it was crystal clear the Cowboys would have lost terribly without him, and he makes one mistake. Not fair at all. Romo is another one of those guys who gets bagged on way too much despite being an incredible quarterback.

jasonm2121 · 01-20-2016, 11:24 PM

You think talking trash is a mental game? Nice work Gadget, thought it was something else, clowns

19royaldecker87 · 01-20-2016, 11:26 PM

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