Star 101 XRC Gaining Ground

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

im just glad i bought when i did. it was a card i always wanted as a kid, i never thought i would own one. it was such a nice feeling having it in hand.

There were some deals to be had early on in BGS' star tenure. I bought in heavily. It's a great card. I remember looking at them in the Beckett every month and thinking they were a myth. I never even saw one random star card until eBay.

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

There were some deals to be had early on in BGS' star tenure. I bought in heavily. It's a great card. I remember looking at them in the Beckett every month and thinking they were a myth. I never even saw one random star card until eBay.

i kick myself, my lcs had a sealed team bag for $500. that was in the mid 90's. if mom would have just splurged a little. she use to give me blank checks when she went to the grocery store so i could buy a box. most were 30-60, she didnt like it to much when i got a box of finest for around a 100 lol.

[scqg]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

i kick myself, my lcs had a sealed team bag for $500. that was in the mid 90's. if mom would have just splurged a little. she use to give me blank checks when she went to the grocery store so i could buy a box. most were 30-60, she didnt like it to much when i got a box of finest for around a 100 lol.

Your consolation is your bgs 8 for $1500 lol. Thats a steal price! Wish i bought earlier.

[Jpayne7787]

You guys are lowering my self esteem for not owning a copy

[Jpayne7787]

Anyways what do you guys think of all the non Jordan XRCs? You can get a bgs 8.5-9 of most for $2-300 ish maybe even cheaper at times. Should I just be buying every copy I see on eBay and hope they follow a similar rise in value like the MJ?

[pingbling23]

Originally Posted by Jpayne7787

Anyways what do you guys think of all the non Jordan XRCs? You can get a bgs 8.5-9 of most for $2-300 ish maybe even cheaper at times. Should I just be buying every copy I see on eBay and hope they follow a similar rise in value like the MJ?

I would imagine they will only go up but putting thousands towards cards is always a risk.

[6celtics33]

Nothing will rise like Jordan over the long term but if you like those players buying 1 or 2 of each probably won't be a losing investment. Some are tougher than others and some have more of a following than others.

I owned an Olajuwon before that was 9.5 9 9 9. It was like an anomaly or a miracle. I sold it some time ago and it is my biggest regret. The centering on that card was stupid.

[Jpayne7787]

Originally Posted by pingbling23

I would imagine they will only go up but putting thousands towards cards is always a risk.

Of course it is, and not just cards also, most things you put money into comes with some risk. But if I am to put some money into to cards as a form of gambling/investing or whatever you'd like to call it, I would think MJ and vintage would be the two safest bets. And from the 80s/90s I can't think of any other cards with the combination of prestige/eye appeal and popular HOF XRC selection. Maybe I'm hyping it a bit bc these are by far my favorite cards in my collection, but IMO these are everything a true awesome iconic basketball cards from our generation should be. (Mid 80s-90s)

[Sutantoj]

Used to own that PSA MJ XRC

[Jpayne7787]

Also I would note that I would trade my bgs 8.5 fleer MJ rc for a similar valued star 101 in a heart beat, even if it was like a 6 with dinged corners lol

[scqg]

Originally Posted by Sutantoj

Used to own that PSA MJ XRC

wow, that is now "worth" 25k lol. did you sell it long time ago or just recently?

[JasonM32]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

same guys recycling the cards back and forth to create a market for it.

What if I sold a certain card between 3 accounts for crazy record prices then came on here and started a thread talking about how prices have been going through the roof? Would it legitimize the increase?

Bingo. Just a handful of people are driving the phony market boom for these cards. They are doing it for their own gain and I'm not going to play along. Knock yourselves out, become millionaires.

[AbraCalabro]

anybody want to buy a red jordan PMG...or, perhaps an MJ Gold Diecut Embossed refractor /74?

[scqg]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

anybody want to buy a red jordan PMG...or, perhaps an MJ Gold Diecut Embossed refractor /74?

Sent you pm thanks

[NoleinJax]

Originally Posted by Bostonsports1

There is definitely a bunch of reprints, I see they on ebay listed every day. I just don't think any of them can pass for the real thing.

Why? Because those star cards had such sophisticated technology in place that prevented counterfeiting then as well as 30+ years later? I'm not trolling. This is a legitimate question I have because I think the true original card of which only a few thousand are supposed to exist is highly significant, but with all the, to use another poster's term, drama surrounding star cards I'd be very reluctant to drop such serious money (to me anyways) on one even with BGS grading them. They have graded and slabbed many fakes so that wouldn't ease my mind either. And of course I expect anyone that owns one to do whatever they can to squash talks of fakes or ones reprinted years later using same presses. Would any owners bet their card that there are no fakes or reprints graded by BGS?

[GC1980]

Originally Posted by NoleinJax

Why? Because those star cards had such sophisticated technology in place that prevented counterfeiting then as well as 30+ years later? I'm not trolling. This is a legitimate question I have because I think the true original card of which only a few thousand are supposed to exist is highly significant, but with all the, to use another poster's term, drama surrounding star cards I'd be very reluctant to drop such serious money (to me anyways) on one even with BGS grading them. They have graded and slabbed many fakes so that wouldn't ease my mind either. And of course I expect anyone that owns one to do whatever they can to squash talks of fakes or ones reprinted years later using same presses. Would any owners bet their card that there are no fakes or reprints graded by BGS?

30+ years later and they are faking 90s inserts.

I don't think the fakes are any more prevelant than fakes of the 86-87 fleer. It's not like the Fleer set had much more sophisticated for printing technology.

I do agree that the "drama" surrounding the Star sets in general are keeping prices relatively low. If there wasn't so much misinformation out there and if the other grading companies jumped in and started grading them, they would be much more valuable.

The MJ stands out because it's MJ and it's a very important card. I do think the card will eventually cap out because the masses still don't have faith in it BGS or Star. It's sad but there are still a lot of key RCs I need so I'm OK with it.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by scqg

Sent you pm thanks

Hey man, I apologize, I wasn't serious. I was actually referring to an incident from a few years back.

Enjoy:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...-250-00-a.html

If I ever get that Jordan refractor, I'll let it go for 17k, quite a bargain!!!

[6celtics33]

Abra... this isn't a 90s insert with artificial scarcity stamped on it, this is Michael Jordan's true rookie card. Please don't confuse the two. And I'm sorry you guys think that the world is just full of liars and cheats and there is some secret club that involves us passing our 101's back and forth trying to document sale prices to drive it up falsely. That is not what is happening. VCP doesn't even track star cards. The fact is there are plenty of people that like and want the cards and then there are members here who are butt hurt because of something completely unrelated (90s inserts) when people were shilling Natsturner and others that think it's happening again. It's not the same thing. But noone wants to listen to reason or logic. As it's been said many times, if there were so many out there and the presses were running wide open then why isn't there more cards graded in the pop report of a set where nobody wants raw cards? I mean you have to grade them to sell them for decent money. And yet, Jordan the most popular player, has around 500 cards graded. There are more gem mint fleer rookies than there are total graded 101's. And yet, people act like star is just so plentiful and easy to find and they made so many of them over and over. It's ludicrous.

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by JasonM32

Bingo. Just a handful of people are driving the phony market boom for these cards. They are doing it for their own gain and I'm not going to play along. Knock yourselves out, become millionaires.

I don't know if that's a shot at me directly. I've took a few in this thread but I paid $3650 for my card and turned down $15,000. So I don't know what "gain" I'm after exactly. Barring my wife getting cancer or something, I'd like to keep the card forever and as others have pointed out, the collector's of the cards don't care about the values.

[6celtics33]

I haven't heard back from iluvfish2, let's pick a member to verify what I'm talking about. How about adam27guy, alabammaslamma, abracalabra, whoever you all think is credible enough that doesn't care about star and I'll forward them the messages to verify my $15,000 offer since I'm falsely pumping the market.

[I only pull for]

If I had the extra money I would throw 15k at Celtics Jordan 8.5 XRC, if he was selling it for that.
His 8.5 would actually look better in that 9.5 holder than the one that actually is graded a 9.5.
Celtics showed us his 8.5 that had the best sub-grades of any XRC that I've personally seen. That 10 surface grade for the 1st card in the team bag is just insane.
The paranoia on these threads are comical to say the least, but please do keep it up, it is great entertainment.


6Celtics33, you know the Jordan isn't the Star rookie I want that you own though, your Sir Charles needs a new home.

[GC1980]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

The paranoia on these threads are comical to say the least, but please do keep it up, it is great entertainment.

Exactly. The hobby on all fronts has become a bunch of paranoid conspiracy theorists. Is it possible there have been some dubious sales? Absolutely. The same can be said about any and all big sales in the hobby. LBJ RPA Exquisite, Curry stuff, Wiggins, all of it. This card is no different.

It is equally if not more possible that the Star MJ is gaining momentum along with the Fleer and virtually all other big blue chip vintage cards. Not sure how many on this board collect vintage baseball but ALL HOF rookies in top condition are hitting record pricing. The Fleer MJ has exploded in the past 2 years. Are all these cards manipulated?

Believe it or not, some collectors do hold the Star MJ in very high regard and it is still very low pop considering the amount of people after it. If all the asks are high it indicates owners are not keen on selling it.

[AbraCalabro]

celtics, I didn't really scan through this thread, just skimmed some posts and doing so reminded me of the thread I linked, if people are blamming you in this thread, I don't know anything about it and as of posting this I still haven't read anything in detail. I don't know the market for the Star XRC and if you're paying 15k for one, a single sale doesn't make the market anyway, (or at least it shouldn't), nor will I ever likely be in the market for a Star XRC.

[rats60]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Hey man, I apologize, I wasn't serious. I was actually referring to an incident from a few years back.

Enjoy:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...-250-00-a.html

If I ever get that Jordan refractor, I'll let it go for 17k, quite a bargain!!!

One was available last summer for 5k.

[scqg]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

Hey man, I apologize, I wasn't serious. I was actually referring to an incident from a few years back.

Enjoy:

http://www.blowoutcards.com/forums/b...-250-00-a.html

If I ever get that Jordan refractor, I'll let it go for 17k, quite a bargain!!!

Ok lol