Star 101 XRC Gaining Ground

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

celtics, I didn't really scan through this thread, just skimmed some posts and doing so reminded me of the thread I linked, if people are blamming you in this thread, I don't know anything about it and as of posting this I still haven't read anything in detail. I don't know the market for the Star XRC and if you're paying 15k for one, a single sale doesn't make the market anyway, (or at least it shouldn't), nor will I ever likely be in the market for a Star XRC.

You're right it doesn't. But there were 2 recent legit sales of $12,000 also. I know it doesn't set the market but what got me riled up is I'm being accused of lying when I have written proof and I just don't want to out a good buyer from a high end negotiation. I've offered to have a 3rd party look at it to verify but I'm not serving up someone's id on here just to prove a point. I know I've argued over how good Wilt was and went back and forth with people over different nonsense but I'm a good member no matter how long I've been here and no matter how high my post count is. I've never wronged anybody and have no reason to lie. I'm not going to listen to that #@#@#@#@.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Abra... this isn't a 90s insert with artificial scarcity stamped on it, this is Michael Jordan's true rookie card. Please don't confuse the two. And I'm sorry you guys think that the world is just full of liars and cheats and there is some secret club that involves us passing our 101's back and forth trying to document sale prices to drive it up falsely. That is not what is happening. VCP doesn't even track star cards. The fact is there are plenty of people that like and want the cards and then there are members here who are butt hurt because of something completely unrelated (90s inserts) when people were shilling Natsturner and others that think it's happening again. It's not the same thing. But noone wants to listen to reason or logic. As it's been said many times, if there were so many out there and the presses were running wide open then why isn't there more cards graded in the pop report of a set where nobody wants raw cards? I mean you have to grade them to sell them for decent money. And yet, Jordan the most popular player, has around 500 cards graded. There are more gem mint fleer rookies than there are total graded 101's. And yet, people act like star is just so plentiful and easy to find and they made so many of them over and over. It's ludicrous.

I don't think anyone is specifically pointing out skepticism on Star 101 Jordans. The drama starts when you see this quick pop up posts trying to pimp a card selling for record prices then suddenly get a bunch of attention from guys looking to buy and sell. Seriously? How else would you treat a topic like this beside a hype and sell?

YOu seriously think as a smart buyer you wouldn't want such type of attention that would warrant any extra activity for the card you are looking to buy at what you consider decent prices. Yet its the opposite. Here we are in a thread talking about insane record breaking prices and the same few guys asking to put in buys. Does that seem logical to you? put in request to buy after record breaking prices and claim the card is not done moving yet? Who in their right mind goes out pimping a card to pay more by hyping it even more? Unless of course there is another agenda behind it.

If youre in the market to sell one, kudos to you. If youre in the market to buy one, good luck to you. But if youre in the market to buy them at steal prices, I question why any of you are here trying to hype crazy sale prices? Doesn't that work against your logic to pick them up quietly and low prices?

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by I only pull for

If I had the extra money I would throw 15k at Celtics Jordan 8.5 XRC, if he was selling it for that.
His 8.5 would actually look better in that 9.5 holder than the one that actually is graded a 9.5.
Celtics showed us his 8.5 that had the best sub-grades of any XRC that I've personally seen. That 10 surface grade for the 1st card in the team bag is just insane.
The paranoia on these threads are comical to say the least, but please do keep it up, it is great entertainment.


6Celtics33, you know the Jordan isn't the Star rookie I want that you own though, your Sir Charles needs a new home.

Haha, sorry man, can't do it

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

I don't think anyone is specifically pointing out skepticism on Star 101 Jordans. The drama starts when you see this quick pop up posts trying to pimp a card selling for record prices then suddenly get a bunch of attention from guys looking to buy and sell. Seriously? How else would you treat a topic like this beside a hype and sell?

YOu seriously think as a smart buyer you wouldn't want such type of attention that would warrant any extra activity for the card you are looking to buy at what you consider decent prices. Yet its the opposite. Here we are in a thread talking about insane record breaking prices and the same few guys asking to put in buys. Does that seem logical to you? put in request to buy after record breaking prices and claim the card is not done moving yet? Who in their right mind goes out pimping a card to pay more by hyping it even more? Unless of course there is another agenda behind it.

If youre in the market to sell one, kudos to you. If youre in the market to buy one, good luck to you. But if youre in the market to buy them at steal prices, I question why any of you are here trying to hype crazy sale prices? Doesn't that work against your logic to pick them up quietly and low prices?

I don't remember anyone in this thread trying to buy or sell one. This sounds like nameanking hangover. He's gone guys, he's gone.

[Starman101]

Originally Posted by JasonM32

Bingo. Just a handful of people are driving the phony market boom for these cards. They are doing it for their own gain and I'm not going to play along. Knock yourselves out, become millionaires.

Just for the record I'm not interested in selling anytime soon

Not sure how that insinuates "their own gain"??

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

I don't remember anyone in this thread trying to buy or sell one. This sounds like nameanking hangover. He's gone guys, he's gone.

See below

Originally Posted by Jpayne7787

Personally I think all the star cards are undervalued, the true XRC of guys like MJ/Hakeem/Ewing/Stockton to me are the RCs to own over the Fleer RCs. I love Star cards and hope I can own the MJ one day.

Looks like Jpayne is geniunely in the market to get one.

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Well said and I promise you... Whatever you paid for it, it'll be more in the future so enjoy

Here is the pitch to drive up prices!!

Originally Posted by Jpayne7787

Also I would note that I would trade my bgs 8.5 fleer MJ rc for a similar valued star 101 in a heart beat, even if it was like a 6 with dinged corners lol

Here is an offer. Also scgg offered to buy from Abra but only us smart folks knew exactly how "rareair" his offer was!!

[GC1980]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

See below




Looks like Jpayne is geniunely in the market to get one.



Here is the pitch to drive up prices!!



Here is an offer. Also scgg offered to buy from Abra but only us smart folks knew exactly how "rareair" his offer was!!

I think you are reaching on all these. Two collectors can have a conversation and one can offer his opinion on where prices are headed without it being some plot to manipulate the market.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by GC1980

I think you are reaching on all these. Two collectors can have a conversation and one can offer his opinion on where prices are headed without it being some plot to manipulate the market.

To each their own. If you are naive to think there is no agenda to hyping cards, that is your call!. When was the last time 2 sales cemented the market value of anything?

[6celtics33]

Yeah fair enough on JPayne saying he wanted one "someday" and the same Jpayne offering to trade for one now. But me telling a guy who already bought one he made a wise choice is a far reach on me pumping the market. What I'm basing that on is the steady increase of prices over the past few years and the fact that it's just the most popular athlete ever's most rare and valuable rookie card. Hardly a giant leap.

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

You're right it doesn't. But there were 2 recent legit sales of $12,000 also. I know it doesn't set the market but what got me riled up is I'm being accused of lying when I have written proof and I just don't want to out a good buyer from a high end negotiation. I've offered to have a 3rd party look at it to verify but I'm not serving up someone's id on here just to prove a point. I know I've argued over how good Wilt was and went back and forth with people over different nonsense but I'm a good member no matter how long I've been here and no matter how high my post count is. I've never wronged anybody and have no reason to lie. I'm not going to listen to that #@#@#@#@.

I'm not saying that you've wronged anyone though and I'm not trying to pinch you over our back and forth about the GOAT , Wilt.

[6celtics33]

I do agree that is happening and there are shady people in the hobby. I'm just telling you that's not the case here. I'm not naive at all. 2 sales don't cement the market of anything but a few months ago this same conversation and argument was taking place when a few sales in the 7500-9000 price range took place, everyone freaked out and accused others of pumping the market and yet here we are, new high prices. You'd think eventually everyone would wise up and only pay what blowout thinks the cards are worth which apparently is what $4,000 for an 8.5? Because that was the 2011 price?

It's sick to me that most every single card we collect, rip from wax, keep from our childhood, etc has lost value and everyone laughs and talks and jokes about that. Hey remember when the beckett said my donruss canseco rookie was $100? Those were good times. But then something actually increases for once and it's like the world is ending. What are we doing in this hobby?

[I only pull for]

This site needs more Star threads, good job Starman101. I'll take discussions over 80's era basketball cards/ or style of game for that matter over anything produced today.

JasonM32, so I guess it is safe to assume all of the threads about Panini products are phony boom markets pumped up for the wax gamblers to try to make something for their own gain-----that is until the next 10k pack comes out. Then the process starts all over again. A product that is over 30 years old doesn't need a "phony market boom" to help people "gain" something from these cards. I don't remember the price of Star team sets/packs from the 80's but I know they were less than a buck a pack....and the people you are accusing of doing the pumping have owned unopened packs for years.





To go inside the mind of a millennial would make for an interesting trippy day.

[nmordowitz]

First off
i have two star 101 - both are 6.5
One subs total to 32 - one raised corner kills it

Here is a link to an auction from yesterday for a BGS 7 that sold for 3675
Yes 3675 for a BGS 7
1984 85 Star Basketball 101 Michael Jordan RARE RC Rookie HOF BGS 7 w 9 5 | eBay

I also bought my 2 BGS 6.5 2 years back -0 both about 1k a piece.

There are so few graded versions - all the millennials are going to start wanting them soon...

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

I'm not saying that you've wronged anyone though and I'm not trying to pinch you over our back and forth about the GOAT , Wilt.

I know you're not Abra, I was talking about pingbling. He openly accused me of lying. He apologized but I just don't think that's ok. I mean I'd like to be able to defend myself or at the very least earn the reputation as a liar if I"m going to be seen as one anyway.

No comment on Wilt.... I've exhausted myself on that one

But I did draft Shawn Kemp in our all time draft so you should probably vote for me when the time comes. My team is monstrous.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Yeah fair enough on JPayne saying he wanted one "someday" and the same Jpayne offering to trade for one now. But me telling a guy who already bought one he made a wise choice is a far reach on me pumping the market. What I'm basing that on is the steady increase of prices over the past few years and the fact that it's just the most popular athlete ever's most rare and valuable rookie card. Hardly a giant leap.

Im not contesting the sales of the card being at $12k each. What I am saying is that 2 recent sales do not reflect a true market value when number of transactions is too small of a sample.

There was an article written on that person who bough the BGS 9.5 Lebron exquisite for just under $100k. He literally stated that overpaying the valuation on an investment does 2 things. It creates the attention needed to protect an investment and secondly it leaves a mark for people to talk about. Both of which contribute to notoriety of the investment. He then goes on to state that he will continue to do the same for other pieces that he adds to his collection.

This same process is used when art goes up for auction. It literally needs to make new record breaking prices each time a piece is sold to garner enough attention and leave a mark so that the next time it comes up on the market, it has legs to surpass last selling price.

Im not question to the legitimacy of the sale. Im aruging the ambiguity of the sales anomaly.

[GC1980]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

To each their own. If you are naive to think there is no agenda to hyping cards, that is your call!. When was the last time 2 sales cemented the market value of anything?

Two sales don't cement the market value for anything. No one is saying they do. There is an agenda on 99% of the posts about cards here. Big value cards tend to have some people looking to protect their investment but that does not mean there are nefarious plots and groups of people moving the same cards around to pump prices.

[JasonM32]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

I don't know if that's a shot at me directly. I've took a few in this thread but I paid $3650 for my card and turned down $15,000. So I don't know what "gain" I'm after exactly. Barring my wife getting cancer or something, I'd like to keep the card forever and as others have pointed out, the collector's of the cards don't care about the values.

My comments were definitely not intended to be a shot at you, or any one particulate person really. I think the value of Star basketball cards are being manipulated. I think that the value of vintage basketball as a whole is being manipulated. Basketball has been the sole focus of my collecting for more years than I care to mention and I think that something screwy is going on. That's all I'm saying.

[6celtics33]

Originally Posted by AbraCalabro

I'm not saying that you've wronged anyone though and I'm not trying to pinch you over our back and forth about the GOAT , Wilt.

Here is the card in question and let me make this straighforward.... It's not for sale, don't message me about it, pm doesn't work best

How about that for pumping it and trying to sell it

[AbraCalabro]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

I know you're not Abra, I was talking about pingbling. He openly accused me of lying. He apologized but I just don't think that's ok. I mean I'd like to be able to defend myself or at the very least earn the reputation as a liar if I"m going to be seen as one anyway.

No comment on Wilt.... I've exhausted myself on that one

But I did draft Shawn Kemp in our all time draft so you should probably vote for me when the time comes. My team is monstrous.

You got my vote, just let me know when and where!

[GC1980]

Originally Posted by JasonM32

My comments were definitely not intended to be a shot at you, or any one particulate person really. I think the value of Star basketball cards are being manipulated. I think that the value of vintage basketball as a whole is being manipulated. Basketball has been the sole focus of my collecting for more years than I care to mention and I think that something screwy is going on. That's all I'm saying.

I find it odd you think vintage basketball is being manipulated. Compared to other sports, i feel it's still criminally undervalued. Bird/Magic, Wilt, Julius, Russell, Moses, Pistol Pete, Kareem...all these rookies can be had for peanuts in decent grades.

The baseball side of things has been booming. All HOF rookies are selling for record prices. As an avid Mantle collector, I can't find a nicely centered card without paying a record high these days.

It's possible vintage may just be catching the eye of a lot of basketball fans that aren't into the new stuff or players. Basketball has a much smaller selection to choose from that say baseball in the vintage market.

[I only pull for]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

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Here is the card in question and let me make this straighforward.... It's not for sale, don't message me about it, pm doesn't work best

How about that for pumping it and trying to sell it

Put that thing away,..It's going to make some pant legs sticky...

[GC1980]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Attachment 320741

Here is the card in question and let me make this straighforward.... It's not for sale, don't message me about it, pm doesn't work best

How about that for pumping it and trying to sell it

Nice card. Very nice. It looks better than 9's I've seen and it's probable the prospective buyer made the offer knowing it's likely the best 8.5 out there and potentially worthy of a bump. I've done this on cards before and that precisely how huge record sales happen.

Does that mean all 8.5's are worth 15k? Absolutely not. It means this particular card that represents the absolute pinnacle of the grade commanded a handsome and well deserved premium.

[6celtics33]

Exactly.... the way a 9.5 that is .5 from pristine will sell for more than one with 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 subs.

I only pull for.... lol, probably not, they'll probably tell me they'd rather have a new panini crown royale ticket gold jersey patch 4 color prizm diamond anniversary ruby red koolaid card of Porzingis.

[GC1980]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Exactly.... the way a 9.5 that is .5 from pristine will sell for more than one with 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 subs.

I only pull for.... lol, probably not, they'll probably tell me they'd rather have a new panini crown royale ticket gold jersey patch 4 color prizm diamond anniversary ruby red koolaid card of Porzingis.

Porzingas no...Wiggins?? No contest!

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Exactly.... the way a 9.5 that is .5 from pristine will sell for more than one with 9 9.5 9.5 9.5 subs.

I only pull for.... lol, probably not, they'll probably tell me they'd rather have a new panini crown royale ticket gold jersey patch 4 color prizm diamond anniversary ruby red koolaid card of Porzingis.

Originally Posted by GC1980

Porzingas no...Wiggins?? No contest!

Both of you are hypocrites. In one sentence you protect your 80s MJs and claim fame, then you try and dig at current cards and insinuate fraud. It just goes to add more relevance to the agenda to pump, hype then sell your pieces.

Good luck. Im looking forward to your big sales in the future once you find the person to dupe!! Hey...its just money right?