what should I do? - Vintage Jackie Issue

MLBTradeRumorsN · 03-30-2016, 08:12 PM

Really not sure what to do here????
I own 2 1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson cards....To be clear I own 2 originals that are stuck together. More specifically it looks like one card is stacked on top of the other... it is not a back and front mashed together...I think glue is holding them together..can't really think of anything else...

Anyways..my guess is that I leave them together... but I would like to have this slabbed..just because I'm keeping them in my collection. Will grading companies even grade this way?? ...has and none seen this type of thing before??

jasonadkins · 03-30-2016, 08:26 PM

Call and email photos of them to Dick Towle, maybe he can work miracles on them:

Home

rats60 · 03-30-2016, 08:42 PM

If they are glued together you can try soaking them.

Bhenry4 · 03-30-2016, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jasonadkins

Call and email photos of them to Dick Towle, maybe he can work miracles on them:

Home

He did great on that "Micky" Mantle.

MLBTradeRumorsN · 03-30-2016, 08:48 PM

Not too comfortable sending the cards out. My guess anyways would be that the back of the top card and the front of the bottom card would be toast.

I'm more curious if anyone has sent in cards like this for authenticating / slabbing. To me it's a cool story to tell

Firerunner4 · 03-30-2016, 09:16 PM

Here is a very knowledgeable members on Net54 post about soaking, that would be your best bet if you're brave enough to try it

"I've soaked many trade cards over the last 20 years, including full and partial scrapbook pages, as well as a smaller number of T206s and other tobacco cards. How successful a soaking is depends largely on what type of glue was used, and you never really know that until the soaking is under way; however, the skill of the soaker also plays a part. Here's how I do it:

* I generally use a wide, shallow baking pan, though this partly has to do with the fact that most trade cards are bigger than tobacco cards, so putting them in a glass, as the original poster showed, won't really work. That's especially true for full scrapbook pages, which is how I got my start soaking more than 20 years ago.

* I fill it at least half an inch to an inch deep with warm-to-hot tap water. I've found that water from my kitchen faucet at its hottest setting is fine for soaking, and will not damage cards.

* I put the card or cards flat in the water with the paper/glue side up. You may see bubbling when the glue hits the hot water, but that's not necessary for a successful soak. If a card keeps floating to the surface rather than staying completely underwater, I may use a spoon to hold it down, leaning the spoon handle on the side of the pan.

* I generally let the cards soak for at least 5 or 10 minutes, unless the paper starts separating from the card all by itself. I'll try at this point, using my fingers or a Q-tip, to see if the paper is starting to come off. If it is, I'll do what I can to separate it from the card, carefully, always watching to make sure there's no paper being lost from the back of the card. If there is, I'll stop and let it soak some more.

* If the paper isn't coming off after 5 or 10 minutes, I'll let the card soak for another 15 or 20 minutes and try again as above. If the paper is coming off, great; if not, I let it soak some more. Once the water has cooled down to room temperature, I'll take the cards out, put them on a paper towel, refill the pan with warm-to-hot water as above, and put the cards back in to soak. I've sometimes had to do this multiple times and soak cards for over an hour. If that's what it takes, that's what you need to do.

* If the paper doesn't come completely off in one piece, I may need to try getting it off gradually, using my finger or (usually better) a Q-tip. This is where skill and experience comes in. You don't want to scrape it too hard, thus making the chance of paper loss much greater, but sometimes you need to rub at the paper and glue repeatedly until it starts to come off bit by bit. I always watch carefully for signs of paper loss at this point, and stop if I see any. I'll try soaking some more before trying again, but sometimes you encounter a glue that's not going to come off without some damage.

* After all the paper is off, I rub the back of the card with my finger or a Q-tip to get all the glue off. You can usually tell when it's off, because the back of the card stops being slippery or sticky (as it is when there's still glue). If you don't get the glue off before drying the card, you'll have problems.

* I press the cards between two paper towels in order to soak up as much of the water as possible.

* I then put a fresh paper towel on a book or other flat surface, put the cards on it, put another fresh paper towel on top of them, and then put a stack of books (or another flat, heavy object) on top of that.

* I let the cards dry for at least three or four days, changing the paper towels after the first day. When they're done drying, I remove the paper towels carefully, making sure none of the paper is sticking to the cards (which may mean there was some glue left on the cards)."

Firerunner4 · 03-30-2016, 09:17 PM

There is also some youtube videos about it, I don't think any grading companies would grade or authenticate them stuck together

MLBTradeRumorsN · 03-31-2016, 07:27 AM

I've tried this method before....scares the crap out of me. And I'd rather have what I have now instead of nothing. Any other thoughts or suggestions?

kinar · 03-31-2016, 07:43 AM

If you just want it slabbed for protection, I believe most grading companies will slab as "Authentic" rather than grading (assuming it really is authentic of course). Alternatively, you can use any of the less reputable companies where the grade doesn't actually matter.

callou2131 · 03-31-2016, 08:43 AM

get some regular elmers white glue, and glue a few commons together from a paper release,like 80s topps and try it out

Doublexthebeast · 03-31-2016, 08:47 AM

I've seen a couple of cards similar to what you describe in SGC holders. They are usually pretty good to work with. I bet if you give them a call they will work with you. PSA and BGS handle so much volume that you likely won't get as good of a personable experience.

Post some pics on here, I would love to see how they look.

MLBTradeRumorsN · 03-31-2016, 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doublexthebeast

I've seen a couple of cards similar to what you describe in SGC holders. They are usually pretty good to work with. I bet if you give them a call they will work with you. PSA and BGS handle so much volume that you likely won't get as good of a personable experience.

Post some pics on here, I would love to see how they look.

Appreciate the reply...and the comment...I might give sgc a call and follow up.
Out of town at the moment. .I will post pics in a few days

03-30-2016, 08:12 PM	#1
MLBTradeRumorsN Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,650 gbflexxx	what should I do? - Vintage Jackie Issue Really not sure what to do here???? I own 2 1949 Bowman Jackie Robinson cards....To be clear I own 2 originals that are stuck together. More specifically it looks like one card is stacked on top of the other... it is not a back and front mashed together...I think glue is holding them together..can't really think of anything else... Anyways..my guess is that I leave them together... but I would like to have this slabbed..just because I'm keeping them in my collection. Will grading companies even grade this way?? ...has and none seen this type of thing before??

03-30-2016, 09:16 PM	#6
Firerunner4 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 12,981 RunningDad310 dppolice4	Here is a very knowledgeable members on Net54 post about soaking, that would be your best bet if you're brave enough to try it "I've soaked many trade cards over the last 20 years, including full and partial scrapbook pages, as well as a smaller number of T206s and other tobacco cards. How successful a soaking is depends largely on what type of glue was used, and you never really know that until the soaking is under way; however, the skill of the soaker also plays a part. Here's how I do it: * I generally use a wide, shallow baking pan, though this partly has to do with the fact that most trade cards are bigger than tobacco cards, so putting them in a glass, as the original poster showed, won't really work. That's especially true for full scrapbook pages, which is how I got my start soaking more than 20 years ago. * I fill it at least half an inch to an inch deep with warm-to-hot tap water. I've found that water from my kitchen faucet at its hottest setting is fine for soaking, and will not damage cards. * I put the card or cards flat in the water with the paper/glue side up. You may see bubbling when the glue hits the hot water, but that's not necessary for a successful soak. If a card keeps floating to the surface rather than staying completely underwater, I may use a spoon to hold it down, leaning the spoon handle on the side of the pan. * I generally let the cards soak for at least 5 or 10 minutes, unless the paper starts separating from the card all by itself. I'll try at this point, using my fingers or a Q-tip, to see if the paper is starting to come off. If it is, I'll do what I can to separate it from the card, carefully, always watching to make sure there's no paper being lost from the back of the card. If there is, I'll stop and let it soak some more. * If the paper isn't coming off after 5 or 10 minutes, I'll let the card soak for another 15 or 20 minutes and try again as above. If the paper is coming off, great; if not, I let it soak some more. Once the water has cooled down to room temperature, I'll take the cards out, put them on a paper towel, refill the pan with warm-to-hot water as above, and put the cards back in to soak. I've sometimes had to do this multiple times and soak cards for over an hour. If that's what it takes, that's what you need to do. * If the paper doesn't come completely off in one piece, I may need to try getting it off gradually, using my finger or (usually better) a Q-tip. This is where skill and experience comes in. You don't want to scrape it too hard, thus making the chance of paper loss much greater, but sometimes you need to rub at the paper and glue repeatedly until it starts to come off bit by bit. I always watch carefully for signs of paper loss at this point, and stop if I see any. I'll try soaking some more before trying again, but sometimes you encounter a glue that's not going to come off without some damage. * After all the paper is off, I rub the back of the card with my finger or a Q-tip to get all the glue off. You can usually tell when it's off, because the back of the card stops being slippery or sticky (as it is when there's still glue). If you don't get the glue off before drying the card, you'll have problems. * I press the cards between two paper towels in order to soak up as much of the water as possible. * I then put a fresh paper towel on a book or other flat surface, put the cards on it, put another fresh paper towel on top of them, and then put a stack of books (or another flat, heavy object) on top of that. * I let the cards dry for at least three or four days, changing the paper towels after the first day. When they're done drying, I remove the paper towels carefully, making sure none of the paper is sticking to the cards (which may mean there was some glue left on the cards)." __________________ Team PC - Pittsburgh Pirates Player PC - Cory Spangenberg - Josh Harrison

03-30-2016, 09:17 PM	#7
Firerunner4 Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 12,981 RunningDad310 dppolice4	There is also some youtube videos about it, I don't think any grading companies would grade or authenticate them stuck together __________________ Team PC - Pittsburgh Pirates Player PC - Cory Spangenberg - Josh Harrison

03-31-2016, 08:43 AM	#10
callou2131 Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Centreville, Md Posts: 8,473	get some regular elmers white glue, and glue a few commons together from a paper release,like 80s topps and try it out __________________ Sent using US Airways Wifi

03-31-2016, 08:47 AM	#11
Doublexthebeast Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Midland, TX Posts: 8,806	I've seen a couple of cards similar to what you describe in SGC holders. They are usually pretty good to work with. I bet if you give them a call they will work with you. PSA and BGS handle so much volume that you likely won't get as good of a personable experience. Post some pics on here, I would love to see how they look. __________________ Shane McClanahan Super Collector. Always Buying.

03-30-2016, 08:26 PM	#2
jasonadkins Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 3,233 stripsidecomics	Call and email photos of them to Dick Towle, maybe he can work miracles on them: Home

03-30-2016, 08:42 PM	#3
rats60 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 9,952	If they are glued together you can try soaking them.

03-30-2016, 08:48 PM	#5
MLBTradeRumorsN Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,650 gbflexxx	Not too comfortable sending the cards out. My guess anyways would be that the back of the top card and the front of the bottom card would be toast. I'm more curious if anyone has sent in cards like this for authenticating / slabbing. To me it's a cool story to tell

03-31-2016, 07:27 AM	#8
MLBTradeRumorsN Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Canada Posts: 1,650 gbflexxx	I've tried this method before....scares the crap out of me. And I'd rather have what I have now instead of nothing. Any other thoughts or suggestions?

03-31-2016, 07:43 AM	#9
kinar Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 1,606 kinar kinar	If you just want it slabbed for protection, I believe most grading companies will slab as "Authentic" rather than grading (assuming it really is authentic of course). Alternatively, you can use any of the less reputable companies where the grade doesn't actually matter.