Draymond Green SUSPENDED for Game 5

[indyguy]

Originally Posted by oldgoldy97

Didn't Drayond complain about not getting the ball enough towards the end of the season? Now he's getting the ball(s) too much.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by xavieronly1

Can the GS owner pay the $2k fine?

I read that it's actually a game check if he's around. That ends up being 170k.

No clue if that's true or not though, I just remember reading an article on yahoo I think it was that if he is in the arena the penalty is a game check.

Though I would say the ownership should just give em the 170k to be in the arena. Would be a humongous sign that they are about the team and would resonate with the players across the league. Regardless of whether you think he deserves the ban or not I think players would react extremely positively should ownership do this.

Originally Posted by JMANIA

I guess LeBron did have a good fourth quarter after all as stepping over Green while he was down was the best play he made all series. I believe Green was only guilty of a technical, that was not a flagrant as it was a natural reaction to defend himself. Priors are not relevant to evaluate as it is a point system. Just a technical in my view. Green should be playing tonight.

The problem is the difference between the definition of flagrant vs technical. A technical is more of a non-physical action versus a physical action. Lebron was given a tech for physical taunting. Draymond was given the flagrant because he actually hit (or did not hit, whatever) Lebron.

And no. Green was not defending himself. If he was defending himself his arms would have been up. Also, Lebron was already over and past Green. Greens arm had to extend to the back of someone walking away. That's not defending.

Did Lebron deserve to get a shot somewhere (just not at his nuts) or some sort of retaliation? I absolutely think so. It was a total douche move. But at the end of the day it's the playoffs and these mind games happen all the time. Gotta be able to handle it and keep your cool. Especially when only one more flagrant foul gets a one game suspension.

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by irfuji

I read that it's actually a game check if he's around. That ends up being 170k.

No clue if that's true or not though, I just remember reading an article on yahoo I think it was that if he is in the arena the penalty is a game check.

No. Green earns $140k for a game. He needs to pay $140k for his suspension regardless he shows up tonight or not.

And according to page 16 of the NBA’s official rulebook:

If a player, coach or assistant coach is suspended from a game or games, he shall not at any time before, during or after such game or games appear in any part of the arena or stands where his team is playing. A player, coach or assistant coach who is ejected may only remain in the dressing room of his team during the remainder of the game, or leave the building. A violation of this rule shall call for an automatic fine of $2000.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by xavieronly1

No. Green earns $140k for a game. He needs to pay $140k for his suspension regardless he shows up tonight or not.

And according to page 16 of the NBA’s official rulebook:

If a player, coach or assistant coach is suspended from a game or games, he shall not at any time before, during or after such game or games appear in any part of the arena or stands where his team is playing. A player, coach or assistant coach who is ejected may only remain in the dressing room of his team during the remainder of the game, or leave the building. A violation of this rule shall call for an automatic fine of $2000.

Ahh ok. Figured I might have just misread the article. If that's the case. 2k is nothing. be there.

[Round Mound]

Isn't it up to his team to ask him to give them back $140k? Also, if he were to pay for the fine (whatever amount), I read somewhere (but I may be wrong) that his presence in the Stadium would also warrant a 1-game suspension (so if the Warriors lose, he would also miss game 6).

[Patriot12]

Originally Posted by duron

Anybody wana laugh? Keep in mind the comment referred to here by Klay was pretty innocuous to begin with.

he plays with his face when he's lying

[Jwhoops]

Originally Posted by Braswell10

How can warrior fans say that green is not a dirty player? He has had multiple altercations in every series.

You are operating under the assumption that "people" are capable of distinguishing between what is true and what they wish was true.

[Jwhoops]

Originally Posted by elee712

Lebron knew exactly what he was doing despite what he said in his interviews. Kudos for him for pushing the right buttons and getting Draymond suspended.

Guys are athletes with huge egos. Lebron blatantly tried to humiliate Draymond despite what he said in his interviews and whether it was intentional or not what Green did, when he was trying to get up, Lebron's crotch was in his face.

Draymond is paying for it obviously but if you were in the situation, it will not be easy for you to just walk away.

I'm absolutely flabbergasted that you can even type this. You think LeBron was trying to get into Green's head? Just what do you think Green's main focus of every single game this series has been? What is the motivation for LeBron to get into a bunch of chippy nonsense with Green? If they both get ejected, does that help Cleveland or hurt Cleveland? How about for GSW?

Christ, people. This enforcer, chippy psych out type stuff has always been a part of the game. Were people messing with Ron Artest whenever he flipped out? How about Dennis Rodman? Did we let Dennis Rodman kick people in the crotch because he provoked somebody into being provoked? Why in the living eff do you think Green is any different? Because he plays for your favorite team? I could understand if this was a 1 time thing in a vacuum, but it isn't. Green has been pulling this stuff the entire playoffs, and it is something well beyond willful ignorance to try and claim otherwise.

[JMANIA]

Originally Posted by Jwhoops

I'm absolutely flabbergasted that you can even type this. You think LeBron was trying to get into Green's head? Just what do you think Green's main focus of every single game this series has been? What is the motivation for LeBron to get into a bunch of chippy nonsense with Green? If they both get ejected, does that help Cleveland or hurt Cleveland? How about for GSW?

Christ, people. This enforcer, chippy psych out type stuff has always been a part of the game. Were people messing with Ron Artest whenever he flipped out? How about Dennis Rodman? Did we let Dennis Rodman kick people in the crotch because he provoked somebody into being provoked? Why in the living eff do you think Green is any different? Because he plays for your favorite team? I could understand if this was a 1 time thing in a vacuum, but it isn't. Green has been pulling this stuff the entire playoffs, and it is something well beyond willful ignorance to try and claim otherwise.

The action against Adams against Oklahoma City could have been a suspension upon review, but they gave it a Flagrant 2 and two points. Again, had that been a suspension for the action it is hard to defend that one. He had a flagrant 1 and one point against Houston in the first round. First of all, sorry, if the NBA had common sense, the point system would start over for the NBA finals. NBA finals games should not be dictated by what happened in a prior series. In fact, whether or not you like what Green did, it was reactionary and caused by James. Sure there are people knocking Green on here, but he has always been a team player and winner in college and the pros. Had James not stepped over him as a matter of disrespect this would never have happened. In my opinion, he was guilty of a technical and not a flagrant, but that is my opinion. Regardless, they are penalizing him (and the team) for his flagrant points from prior series. I think it is a dumb system. This is the NBA Finals. Again, LeBron's best play of the finals, less than 3 minutes to go and down 10.......

[Jwhoops]

Originally Posted by JMANIA

The action against Adams against Oklahoma City could have been a suspension upon review, but they gave it a Flagrant 2 and two points. Again, had that been a suspension for the action it is hard to defend that one. He had a flagrant 1 and one point against Houston in the first round. First of all, sorry, if the NBA had common sense, the point system would start over for the NBA finals. NBA finals games should not be dictated by what happened in a prior series. In fact, whether or not you like what Green did, it was reactionary and caused by James. Sure there are people knocking Green on here, but he has always been a team player and winner in college and the pros. Had James not stepped over him as a matter of disrespect this would never have happened. In my opinion, he was guilty of a technical and not a flagrant, but that is my opinion. Regardless, they are penalizing him (and the team) for his flagrant points from prior series. I think it is a dumb system. This is the NBA Finals. Again, LeBron's best play of the finals, less than 3 minutes to go and down 10.......

He hit a person in the nuts for a third time. The NBA ran out of leniency for the guy. He's not a victim, he's a multiple offender who should probably be sitting multiple games at this point. Back in the day there were bench clearing brawls all the time, but they kept it above the belt. Nowadays, these guys won't fight each other like men but resort to cheap nut shots when they lose control? It reflects poorly on our entire species. Have we really lost so much respect for others in this country that below the belt shots are just another play?

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by Jwhoops

He hit a person in the nuts for a third time. The NBA ran out of leniency for the guy. He's not a victim, he's a multiple offender who should probably be sitting multiple games at this point. Back in the day there were bench clearing brawls all the time, but they kept it above the belt. Nowadays, these guys won't fight each other like men but resort to cheap nut shots when they lose control? It reflects poorly on our entire species. Have we really lost so much respect for others in this country that below the belt shots are just another play?

What would you do if someone dragged their nuts over your head? If that happened to any player in the 80s, they would have had civil unrest. Riots everywhere.

[Jwhoops]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

What would you do if someone dragged their nuts over your head? If that happened to any player in the 80s, they would have had civil unrest. Riots everywhere.

Except that isn't what he did. Big difference. If he wanted to drag his nuts over Green's head, he would have dragged them over his head. This was a live ball, Green completely flopped, and LeBron was trying to get back in the play.

Are you really so far down the rabbit hole that you need to exaggerate or outright concoct a different insult to justify hitting somebody below the belt?

[jj2]

Originally Posted by Jwhoops

Except that isn't what he did. Big difference.

That's just your reality, man.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by Jwhoops

Except that isn't what he did. Big difference.

We looking at the same thing? Lebron split his legs and walked over Green with greens head between his legs.

watch it. He tea bags the back of his head.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRRP2j93gXw

[Jwhoops]

Sometimes that's going to happen when you flop like that in the middle of a live play. LeBron had every right to get back to his defensive spot as quickly as he could.

[ninjacookies]

Lebron is quite possibly the softest athletically gifted athlete I've ever seen. Ever.

And I can't stand Draymond.

[bewareof94]

Originally Posted by Jwhoops

Except that isn't what he did. Big difference. If he wanted to drag his nuts over Green's head, he would have dragged them over his head. This was a live ball, Green completely flopped, and LeBron was trying to get back in the play.

Are you really so far down the rabbit hole that you need to exaggerate or outright concoct a different insult to justify hitting somebody below the belt?

Im sorry, but do you honestly think Lebron was "just trying to get back in the play"?

[Jwhoops]

Originally Posted by bewareof94

Im sorry, but do you honestly think Lebron was "just trying to get back in the play"?

Clearly a bit of both.

I have no sympathy for a flopper like Green, though. This is the path he chose, not liking where it led doesn't justify a nut shot. Funny how flopping and cheap shots go hand in hand with a lot of players these days...

[duwal]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

What would you do if someone dragged their nuts over your head?

He actually pays for someone to do that to him weekly

[Nyfancam01]

Hilarious that GREEN can't play tonight hahahaha

if his loaded stacked team wins tonight... they did it without him and he didn't play in the ring game LOL

[JMANIA]

Originally Posted by Jwhoops

He hit a person in the nuts for a third time. The NBA ran out of leniency for the guy. He's not a victim, he's a multiple offender who should probably be sitting multiple games at this point. Back in the day there were bench clearing brawls all the time, but they kept it above the belt. Nowadays, these guys won't fight each other like men but resort to cheap nut shots when they lose control? It reflects poorly on our entire species. Have we really lost so much respect for others in this country that below the belt shots are just another play?

I do not feel you are responding to my point. In the finals, except for one team having home court advantage, I believe the teams should be on equal footing. Any point system related to suspensions should start over. If you feel he should have been suspended for the Adams incident, which might be the case, that does not mean a make-up decision is okay to try and extend the finals and make more money. You are defending the NBA. The NBA probably wanted G.S. versus Cleveland as opposed to Oklahoma City. And it certainly wants more games in the finals. So while I feel Green only warranted a technical, even thought the NBA says it was a flagrant, it is a joke to suspend someone a game in the finals for one flagrant during the finals. This is his only flagrant during the finals. And I am not even commenting on LeBron's press conference in which he indirectly lobbied for it.

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by Nyfancam01

Hilarious that GREEN can't play tonight hahahaha

if his loaded stacked team wins tonight... they did it without him and he didn't play in the ring game LOL

Sigh...
His "loaded stacked team" that was made via drafting, two trades, and free agents (two of which were undrafted).
You saw the stats. Now you're ignoring them again?
Jeez man, grow up!

[Jwhoops]

Originally Posted by JMANIA

I do not feel you are responding to my point. In the finals, except for one team having home court advantage, I believe the teams should be on equal footing. Any point system related to suspensions should start over. If you feel he should have been suspended for the Adams incident, which might be the case, that does not mean a make-up decision is okay to try and extend the finals and make more money. You are defending the NBA. The NBA probably wanted G.S. versus Cleveland as opposed to Oklahoma City. And it certainly wants more games in the finals. So while I feel Green only warranted a technical, even thought the NBA says it was a flagrant, it is a joke to suspend someone a game in the finals for one flagrant during the finals. This is his only flagrant during the finals. And I am not even commenting on LeBron's press conference in which he indirectly lobbied for it.

Sorry, I don't believe the nut shot slate should be wiped clean.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by JMANIA

I do not feel you are responding to my point. In the finals, except for one team having home court advantage, I believe the teams should be on equal footing. Any point system related to suspensions should start over. If you feel he should have been suspended for the Adams incident, which might be the case, that does not mean a make-up decision is okay to try and extend the finals and make more money. You are defending the NBA. The NBA probably wanted G.S. versus Cleveland as opposed to Oklahoma City. And it certainly wants more games in the finals. So while I feel Green only warranted a technical, even thought the NBA says it was a flagrant, it is a joke to suspend someone a game in the finals for one flagrant during the finals. This is his only flagrant during the finals. And I am not even commenting on LeBron's press conference in which he indirectly lobbied for it.

What I think is ridiculous about an argument like this is the fact that a player could conceivably commit multiple flagrants in the playoffs, with no punishment. If you put it at anything over 2 flagrants is a suspension, for example, that's a free pass for someone like the karate kid, Draymond-son, to kick multiple players each round, or for him to practice his nut cracking on multiple players, with no repurcussions.

If you reset the points system after each round, it's a free pass to start over again.

[Cervantes]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

It shouldn't have been a flagrant while there were THREE instances LeBron should've received one and didn't get any?

You're still crying about this? You are an unrealistic homer. Sometimes, I think you're trolling...

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

Im on record saying that stepping over another player on purpose should be followed up with a fine and a suspension. Im fine with Green getting his 4th. Im not fine with Lebroney getting away with what he did.

You're hilarious...stepping over a player should = a fine and suspension? LOL how dumb is that? So what does flexing in someone's face or clapping and mean mugging right in someone's face get you? Since it's your new favorite team the Warriors, I'm sure it would get Green a PASS.

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

I dont think. Stepping over a player should be served with something much harsher than a typical T. It should be even worse than a player out right punching out another player. Same with flopping. Players need to be served with harsher penalities so they learn to stop doing it.

Lebron gets away with so much. If it had been another player who stepped over Lebron, I assure you they would have been suspended instantly for the next game and been thrown out of that game.

You should be penalized more for stepping over a player than punching out a player? Go home, you're drunk.

Either that, or you're the judge in the Standford rape case.

Also, what gives you the idea that a player stepping over Lebron would be suspended, other than your blind hate and potentially a fifth of Jack Daniels?

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

No, LeBron got away with three separate flagrants in the same GAME.

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

Three flagrant fouls in the same GAME.

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

It wasn't a flagrant on Green, LeBron got away with getting suspended on 1 game of flagrants.

You're amazing...I honestly think you were crying when you typed this, and your keyboard probably needs to be replaced. How many dirty plays does Green make in some games? Enough, by your standard, to be ejected/suspended/sentenced to death, if it was Lebron James.

At least DWade Collector is entertaining...