The Official #1 Cavs vs. #1 Warriors Finals Thread

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by TBarn291

Tristan Thompson is not overpaid. Love is overpaid.

No offensive game (unless you consider offensive rebounding to be in that category), nothing special defensively, Thompson is overpaid.

[TBarn291]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

No offensive game (unless you consider offensive rebounding to be in that category), nothing special defensively, Thompson is overpaid.

Nothing special defensively, but highest defensive rating in the series? How many other centers can guard Curry? Seriously how can people still undervalue Tristan lol. Leading rebounder in the series. Scored 10+ in four of the six games, 3 double doubles. He might not be as effective in another system and would not deserve the money, but given what he does for the Cavs, he is underpaid. If Lue had actually played him more in games 1 and 2 he probably would have had a couple more double doubles.

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by TBarn291

Nothing special defensively, but highest defensive rating in the series? How many other centers can guard Curry? Seriously how can people still undervalue Tristan lol. Leading rebounder in the series. Scored 10+ in four of the six games, 3 double doubles. He might not be as effective in another system and would not deserve the money, but given what he does for the Cavs, he is underpaid. If Lue had actually played him more in games 1 and 2 he probably would have had a couple more double doubles.

I am not saying he's a bad defender, he is perfectly fine, but I wouldn't say he's an elite defender or anything, that's all. His 1 true skill is a very good one, which is the offensive rebounding, but that doesn't make you a max money guy. That's silly.

[TBarn291]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

I am not saying he's a bad defender, he is perfectly fine, but I wouldn't say he's an elite defender or anything, that's all. His 1 true skill is a very good one, which is the offensive rebounding, but that doesn't make you a max money guy. That's silly.

He is a double double machine. He is "the most durable" guy in the NBA. He is far past an average defender. He is one of the most versatile big defenders in the league. He can guard pretty much every position. His superb defense, rebounding, ability to read the offense and defense, plus his ability to contribute around 10 points a night is what makes him worth the money. And for what it's worth he isn't making max.....

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by TBarn291

He is a double double machine. He is "the most durable" guy in the NBA. He is far past an average defender. He is one of the most versatile big defenders in the league. He can guard pretty much every position. His superb defense, rebounding, ability to read the offense and defense, plus his ability to contribute around 10 points a night is what makes him worth the money. And for what it's worth he isn't making max.....

OK, whatever you say...

What was his contract? 5/86? Close enough.

[TBarn291]

Originally Posted by JustinVerlander07

OK, whatever you say...

What was his contract? 5/86? Close enough.

Should have been more. If Tristan left, Cavs couldn't replace his contribution with one person. The guy is far more dependable then someone like say... Green?

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by TBarn291

Should have been more. If Tristan left, Cavs couldn't replace his contribution with one person. The guy is far more dependable then someone like say... Green?

That's false. TT is an animal, but he's a liability on offense and can't contribute much on that side of court.
I'd want Draymond on my team. He can shoot, pass, board and defend more positions. He's also not a person I'm comfortable giving the ball to and letting him create, Draymond can.

[TBarn291]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

That's false. TT is an animal, but he's a liability on offense and can't contribute much on that side of court.
I'd want Draymond on my team. He can shoot, pass, board and defend more positions. He's also not a person I'm comfortable giving the ball to and letting him create, Draymond can.

I should have been clearer. When I say Tristan Thompson is the most durable/dependable guy in the league, I am referring to him having the record for most consecutive games played among current players. I believe he is second all-time, can't remember for sure though. As far as Green/Thompson, yes I realize Green is the better all around player in terms of talent. But What I said is absolutely NOT false. Thompson is far more dependable. I am not worried about him losing his cool and getting himself suspended in the Finals when his team needs him the most.


I would rather have Tristan Thompson on this Cavs team versus Draymond Green.

[IamRalpho]

Originally Posted by TBarn291

I should have been clearer. When I say Tristan Thompson is the most durable/dependable guy in the league, I am referring to him having the record for most consecutive games played among current players. I believe he is second all-time, can't remember for sure though. As far as Green/Thompson, yes I realize Green is the better all around player in terms of talent. But What I said is absolutely NOT false. Thompson is far more dependable. I am not worried about him losing his cool and getting himself suspended in the Finals when his team needs him the most.


I would rather have Tristan Thompson on this Cavs team versus Draymond Green.

You are probably literally the only person in the entire world who would say that. Draymond is a nutjob but you know the dude almost won defensive player of the year right?

[CubKings]

Plus Tristan isn't a constant douche and putting his team in peril with idiotic plays and the kicking of other mens nutbags.

I don't ever watch the Cavs unless they play my teams, so I have only really watched him a lot these past 2 Finals, and in each one his energy and rebounding can't and shouldn't go unnoticed.

[IamRalpho]

Originally Posted by TBarn291

Tristan Thompson is not overpaid. Love is overpaid.

Love will be fine, away from Cleveland. Just doesnt mesh. But yeah hes a mess

I mean is 8 points and 9 rebounds and .6 blocks a game worth 14 mil a year?

No probably not, but when you have 2 superstars you can deal with it.

[sdsportsfan1214]

So glad the Lakers never got Love what a bum

[RYBOWSKI97]

lets go cavs...all i want for fathers day is a cleveland championship!

[TBarn291]

Originally Posted by IamRalpho

You are probably literally the only person in the entire world who would say that. Draymond is a nutjob but you know the dude almost won defensive player of the year right?

I do, but I don't think he would fit well with the Cavs. Like I said, I know he is a better all around player, and I'm not just saying it because I am a Tristan Thompson fan. Tristan flourishes within the Cavs system. I think Green is also a product, in part, of playing in GS's system.

[TBarn291]

Originally Posted by IamRalpho

Love will be fine, away from Cleveland. Just doesnt mesh. But yeah hes a mess

I mean is 8 points and 9 rebounds and .6 blocks a game worth 14 mil a year?

No probably not, but when you have 2 superstars you can deal with it.

I 100% agree with this. Love is a quality player, his talents are just harder to exploit on this Cavs team. Love had a solid year, and I think part of his struggle in the Finals is the match up.

I also think it would be a similar issue with Green, hence why I said I would rather have Thompson on this Cavs team. Cavs have enough drama.

[IamRalpho]

I think regardless of win or lose the Cavs hafta deal Love. His value might be garbage, but no way you can say that it will work out. Year 2, and hes on the bench in the finals.

Cut your losses and find a better fit.

[LoveItCards]

Will the Warriors loose 3 in a row for the first time all year?

Will Cleveland be the first 1-3 team to win a Finals?

Will Curry foul out again?

Will Loveitcards still be posting come Monday morning?

[JustinVerlander07]

Originally Posted by TBarn291

I would rather have Tristan Thompson on this Cavs team versus Draymond Green.

LOLOLOLOL

Good one!

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by TBarn291

I should have been clearer. When I say Tristan Thompson is the most durable/dependable guy in the league, I am referring to him having the record for most consecutive games played among current players. I believe he is second all-time, can't remember for sure though. As far as Green/Thompson, yes I realize Green is the better all around player in terms of talent. But What I said is absolutely NOT false. Thompson is far more dependable. I am not worried about him losing his cool and getting himself suspended in the Finals when his team needs him the most.


I would rather have Tristan Thompson on this Cavs team versus Draymond Green.

Draymond hasn't been injured much either the past few seasons and he has missed like 7 games over his entire NBA career... I'd say he's very reliable to play day to day, but he may try to pull some BS like kicking a player in the nads which is deplorable.
I think Draymond is much more of a leader though and that he can command a team much more than Tristan. Tristian didn't really play meaningful minutes during some of the season too. Didn't mosgov start a bit? To me, Draymond has been more consistent when looking at day to day play over the past 2 seasons and he may even disappear for stretches. I just think Tristan disappears more often.
Both great players and I'd take Draymond if I want a more versitle player who can make plays. I'd take tristian in the case of shot blocking and probably boarding.

[ninjacookies]

Originally Posted by TBarn291

Should have been more. If Tristan left, Cavs couldn't replace his contribution with one person. The guy is far more dependable then someone like say... Green?

Your avatar tends to make me believe you might just be a tadddd bit biased.

He's a great rebounder. But let's be honest. Golden State has had one of the weakest and most exploitable interiors all year. Same reason why Adams and Kanter had a field day. Speights, Ezili, and Bogut are not good centers in any universe. And TT boy is simply exploiting that.

[TBarn291]

Originally Posted by tennelson55

Draymond hasn't been injured much either the past few seasons and he has missed like 7 games over his entire NBA career... I'd say he's very reliable to play day to day, but he may try to pull some BS like kicking a player in the nads which is deplorable.
I think Draymond is much more of a leader though and that he can command a team much more than Tristan. Tristian didn't really play meaningful minutes during some of the season too. Didn't mosgov start a bit? To me, Draymond has been more consistent when looking at day to day play over the past 2 seasons and he may even disappear for stretches. I just think Tristan disappears more often.
Both great players and I'd take Draymond if I want a more versitle player who can make plays. I'd take tristian in the case of shot blocking and probably boarding.

I agree Draymond is more of a leader, which is one of the many reasons I would rather have Tristan on the Cavs versus Draymond. The Cavs don't need another leader. Tristan was pretty much doing his same thing most of the season. Mozgov hasn't really had much playing time this season, but Blatt did like to play him some, and Varejao was back, so Thompson was sharing minutes with three other guys including Love. Tristan doesn't really disappear he is probably one of the most consistent guys on the team. When he gets his minutes he's about always good for around 10 pts and 10 rebounds +/- 2. As someone that watched every Cavs game this season I feel very comfortable saying Tristan plays well just about every game. He was never known for his offensive abilities and was paid for his defense and rebounding ability, he has improved his offensive game somewhat this season taking and hitting more mid-range jumpers than previous years, which to me is like an added bonus. Two years in a row Tristan has played well in the post season and particularly the finals, when he is getting the most minutes. I am not arguing that he is a better player/leader, just that I would rather have Tristan on this Cavs team than Draymond. Draymond would not fit well in terms of team chemistry, similar with Love. Which is also why I would say, I would rather have Tristan Thompson on this Cavs team than Love. Sure Love is a better player, but he isn't as effective on the Cavs. He has his moments for sure, but overall he just doesn't fit well. If I am Golden State and probably most other teams, I would rather have Green, but for the Cavs team, as currently constructed, I would rather have Thompson.

[tennelson55]

Originally Posted by TBarn291

I agree Draymond is more of a leader, which is one of the many reasons I would rather have Tristan on the Cavs versus Draymond. The Cavs don't need another leader. Tristan was pretty much doing his same thing most of the season. Mozgov hasn't really had much playing time this season, but Blatt did like to play him some, and Varejao was back, so Thompson was sharing minutes with three other guys including Love. Tristan doesn't really disappear he is probably one of the most consistent guys on the team. When he gets his minutes he's about always good for around 10 pts and 10 rebounds +/- 2. As someone that watched every Cavs game this season I feel very comfortable saying Tristan plays well just about every game. He was never known for his offensive abilities and was paid for his defense and rebounding ability, he has improved his offensive game somewhat this season taking and hitting more mid-range jumpers than previous years, which to me is like an added bonus. Two years in a row Tristan has played well in the post season and particularly the finals, when he is getting the most minutes. I am not arguing that he is a better player/leader, just that I would rather have Tristan on this Cavs team than Draymond. Draymond would not fit well in terms of team chemistry, similar with Love. Which is also why I would say, I would rather have Tristan Thompson on this Cavs team than Love. Sure Love is a better player, but he isn't as effective on the Cavs. He has his moments for sure, but overall he just doesn't fit well. If I am Golden State and probably most other teams, I would rather have Green, but for the Cavs team, as currently constructed, I would rather have Thompson.

Hm.

I disagree.
I think a line up of mosgov/green/lebron/jr/Kyrie outplays Thompson/Jefferson/lebron/Jr/Kyrie. That's just me. I think mosgov is underused and could play very well vs TT/other big man.

[Homeless Infant]

I think The love hate is silly.

First off, he was one of what 6 people this year to average a double double of at least 15 points 10rb (16,10 in points and reb). As a third option that is not bad. He may have a bad match up this series but that does not take away from his overall place on the team. For a guy that is told to go stand on the 3 point line and wait for someone to pass him the ball, he averages a decent amount of rebounds. Plus lets not make it like he is the third wheel on the hornets. He is behind one of the greatest players ever and the best current day guard at being able to get to the basket.

I will admit that they don't use him properly, but lets not act like you were going to get the 25,14 love that was in Minny. With 2 ball dominate guards, I'm surprised he averages what he does.

Also in 2 years his contract will look like a bargain compared to what other players a re getting.

I also give him credit for wanting to stay and win a chip. He could of went elsewhere and been the man or even second place on a team. Most of the time we applaud people who give up status to stay and win a chip, yet a lot of people are hating on him for it.

I wish they would use him more in pic and roll situations, but if his 16,10 and floor spacing ability can help win a chip for Cleveland, they will be just fine with his "max" bargain contract.

[NoleinJax]

Originally Posted by IamRalpho

I dunno if Lebron gets the criticism, (if they lose) dude literally carried the Cavs to Game 7 in a series that they were down 0-2 and everyone thought it'd be over in 4-5.

Pressure is all on the Warriors. Their whole identity ends if they lose.

No more national TV spots for Curry, no more stuff with his wife, or daughter. I mean, that ends.

Unless Lebron totally flops or disappears, I cant see him getting any criticism. I mean their 3rd best player arguably has been Richard friggin Jefferson this series!

I do think, win or lose Kevin Love is gonzo

Yeah all his sponsors are going to drop him if they lose. :special::special::special:

[NoleinJax]

Fun Fact: Both teams have scored 610 points through first 6 games.