2016 Politics Thread - Enter At Your Own Risk - All Politics & Dumb Opinions Here

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by preakness

I have food on my table and roof over my family's head not because of what the past politicians have done

By looking at it via your opening paragraph shows status quo is fine and dandy in your eyes

I was watching Drugs on national geographic channel

A heroin user was begging for funds for food
She then used $275 to support her $275 daily habit

Please define status quo. I don't understand what people mean when they say that.

Every bunch has bad apples. It doesn't mean you throw them all away. We need better treatment options.

[chipmaster]

Originally Posted by JosieD

Then why are people constantly blaming President Obama for everything?

Because everything is his fault, and it's great to have a scapegoat

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by JosieD

I honestly don't get why people complain so much about the current administration or those of the past. If you have food on your table, a roof over your head, feel loved and secure, move on with your day and try to give back to those that don't have those things.

Here is a story that humbled me recently:
I got mad at my husband for giving a homeless man $5 while we were in Chicago because I was saving it to buy us drinks for on the way home. My husband asked if we could still afford it after the fact. Of course we could afford $5 more dollars. That man used it to buy himself lunch. I got upset over $5 but in reality I didn't value it as much at that man did. That man might not eat today. He probably had to sleep outside last night. He carried every single item he owned in a dirty, ripped back back, he only had 1 pair of shoes with holes in, clearly has not seen a doctor in some time, and spends most of his day alone and here I am complaining about $5.

I think you have kids. Are you not worried about their future? Have you not looked at how government spending has increased? Welfare? It is not sustainable. I could talk for hours on how this country got to this position but I won't...right now.

I come from a hard working family. Everyone started working at an early age, paid for college out of pocket, and been successful at what they do. A lot of Americans are more worried about things other than being a contributor to society. I cringe when I hear that 50% of Americans receive some form of welfare. That system is broken and is being abused. It needs to stop. I honestly feel that Trump has a direct approach that will get us back on track to fix this.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Because we are a country of spoiled/entitled people. We always need something to complain about or have to have it our way. Thanks Burger King

Much like the government, Burger King doesn't honor their promises. My hubby asked for no pickles and got extra.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by JosieD

Much like the government, Burger King doesn't honor their promises. My hubby asked for no pickles and got extra.

Sounds like the government to me, you got more than you wanted/needed and it came out of someone else's pocket!

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by Boo

Sounds like the government to me, you got more than you wanted/needed and it came out of someone else's pocket!

I ate the pickles and they were delish. They forgot his bacon so they made out in the end. That's how the government really works.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by JosieD

Please define status quo. I don't understand what people mean when they say that.

Every bunch has bad apples. It doesn't mean you throw them all away. We need better treatment options.

Status quo is don't change anything because I have food on my table, roof over head

Same now
Same future

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[ILOVEBEER]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

I come from a hard working family. Everyone started working at an early age, paid for college out of pocket, and been successful at what they do. A lot of Americans are more worried about things other than being a contributor to society. I cringe when I hear that 50% of Americans receive some form of welfare. That system is broken and is being abused. It needs to stop. I honestly feel that Trump has a direct approach that will get us back on track to fix this.

I heard a strange, but intriguing theory on welfare. The Government knows that free handouts are unpopular. Welfare, Food stamps, bogus social security benefits etc will not stop and it's on purpose.

Poor people typically can't and don't want to save money. Any little amount given out is usually not saved. It is spent on TVs, flashy clothes and general crap that isn't a necessity. Feds know this and love it because it helps the economy. Giving someone Welfare and them saving it does no good.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

I think you have kids. Are you not worried about their future? Have you not looked at how government spending has increased? Welfare? It is not sustainable. I could talk for hours on how this country got to this position but I won't...right now.

I come from a hard working family. Everyone started working at an early age, paid for college out of pocket, and been successful at what they do. A lot of Americans are more worried about things other than being a contributor to society. I cringe when I hear that 50% of Americans receive some form of welfare. That system is broken and is being abused. It needs to stop. I honestly feel that Trump has a direct approach that will get us back on track to fix this.

I have 2 boys. At this point, I am just trying to get them through elementary school trying not to make the same mistakes my parents did. I used to work for a managed care company that handled MA funds for behavioral health care. Trust me, I get it. We had so many subscribers, we received thousands of calls a day. All the major insurance companies are trying to get into the welfare (medical assistance) market because it makes them money. The system needs a complete overhaul from top to bottom.

Same here. My mom owned her own business when we were growing up. The number of hours I put in as a child would put some adults to shame. Every weeknight, every weekend, we were required to work. Had to pay for college myself, worked a full-time job and a part-time job. I had 2 jobs after graduating clear up until I had my first child. And, again after my 1st child turned 1 and until my 2nd child was born. I am now part-time and it feels odd. I worked through cancer treatments. Only time I had off was was after surgeries or when I was in the hospital. I value hard work.

Serious question, what is Trumps approach? I tried to look it up but could only find his tax plan. It doesn't help that I have a wiggly 5 year old on my lap.

[RossOK]

Originally Posted by preakness

He said it wouldn' t be automatic.
That it would depend

Big big difference

He's said similar about intervening with Israel

The fact the it wouldn't be "automatic" pretty much renders the alliance obsolete, no? What factors would determine whether or not he would call to intervene? It's really a microcosm of his perspective: I dictate the terms of everything and have no concern for that which doesn't directly benefit me. It's not about being a part of a global society, it's about being ABOVE society.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by ILOVEBEER

I heard a strange, but intriguing theory on welfare. The Government knows that free handouts are unpopular. Welfare, Food stamps, bogus social security benefits etc will not stop and it's on purpose.

Poor people typically can't and don't want to save money. Any little amount given out is usually not saved. It is spent on TVs, flashy clothes and general crap that isn't a necessity. Feds know this and love it because it helps the economy. Giving someone Welfare and them saving it does no good.

That's because they are not encouraged to save due to how welfare is set up. My husband works with severely mentally ill people and if they have more than x amount (depending on the person) in the bank, they lose their benefits. We need a better system that can help them escape the cycle. It is something really low too like they can't have more than 2,000 in the bank. How is anyone supposed to transition with less than 2k in the bank? I had 15k saved up just to move out of my parents house.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

Because we are a country of spoiled/entitled people. We always need something to complain about or have to have it our way. Thanks Burger King

Susan B Anthony
Ghandi
M L King
Nycam

All spoiled

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by JosieD

Much like the government, Burger King doesn't honor their promises. My hubby asked for no pickles and got extra.

Everytime I say no pickles, they put a bunch on. That's when you drive back through and throw them through the drive through hahaha

[Skipscards]

Originally Posted by JosieD

How has your life negatively changed since President Obama has been in office? How has you life positively changed in the same time frame?

Every President in history has their critics. It will be decades before we really know he impact of the current and previous administrations. Look at Lincoln. There were times during his presidency that he was reviled. Half the country tried to leave. But history judges him a lot differently.

My issue with the current (and previous administration) is the out of control expansion of the government. Whether it is the creation of the CFPB or Homeland Security, we've seen an insane growth of the government. Add in Obamacare and the timing made no sense. He added a Trillion dollars in govt spending when we really couldn't afford it. The health care system needed change but the way this was implemented is awful. The end result is increased profits for health insurance companies, forced Heath care on people who don't want it, increased cost for the majority of us (for me personally my cost has gone up 14%, 10%, and 24% each of the last 3 years), and worse coverage than I had pre-Obamacare.

On balance I honestly think Obama is the least accomplished two term president in history. Aside from Obamacare, I really don't think he's accomplished anything (good or bad). He's been largely irrelevant. So I guess there's that.

[preakness]

Originally Posted by JosieD

I ate the pickles and they were delish. They forgot his bacon so they made out in the end. That's how the government really works.

You accept the wrongdoings of the Burger King (govt) and somehow feel like BK did you a favor (made out in the end) with their mistakes

Thank tou sir may I have another!

For those stating those that complain or speak out because they're entitled ... Same opinion when BLM speaks out?

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by bartender623

For all you 'the founding fathers weren't talking about automatic weapons' (which I'd also like to point out are very difficult for the average Joe to attain - I think you mean semi-auto), I'd like to point you to the case of Caetano v. Massachusetts 2016:

'The second amendment extends, prima facie, to all instruments that constitute bearable arms, even those that were not in existence at the time of its founding.'

While that case in particular was about a stun gun, the wording is about as clear as it gets in regards to the founding father argument. Beyond that, remember the founding fathers were rebelling against their tyrannical government when they drafted the constitution. I'm almost positive they wouldn't have an issue with everyday law abiding citizens owning a rifle equivalent to what the tyrannical governments soldiers would be armed with. You can't fight a squad of soldiers carrying M4s with black powder and pitchforks. Well, you could, but you wouldn't last long. Unless you're Mel Gibson in The Patriot, then all anyone would need is a distraction and a tomahawk.

Notice I used the phrase 'almost positive' above. Do you know why that is? Because I wasn't there. None of us were, so don't presume to know exactly what the founding fathers meant in their wording. But based on the events that were taking place at the time it was written, its safe to say advocates for guns are closer to being correct in their interpretation.

That said, I'm all for making it a process to own a firearm. Testing, licensing, background checks, whatever. I'm just tired of seeing the founding father argument. Its nonsense.

A written opinion, even coming from the Supreme Court, is just that--an opinion.

Your argument that the founding fathers would have wanted citizens to have the same weapons as the government is, sincerely, the best counterargument I have heard yet.

In my opinion, the negatives of citizens being allowed to own semi-automatic weapons outweigh the positives. I don't believe the threat of a tyrannical government is as strong as it was when citizens were very limited in their ability to communicate quickly with one another.


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[JosieD]

Originally Posted by Skipscards

Every President in history has their critics. It will be decades before we really know he impact of the current and previous administrations. Look at Lincoln. There were times during his presidency that he was reviled. Half the country tried to leave. But history judges him a lot differently.

My issue with the current (and previous administration) is the out of control expansion of the government. Whether it is the creation of the CFPB or Homeland Security, we've seen an insane growth of the government. Add in Obamacare and the timing made no sense. He added a Trillion dollars in govt spending when we really couldn't afford it. The health care system needed change but the way this was implemented is awful. The end result is increased profits for health insurance companies, forced Heath care on people who don't want it, increased cost for the majority of us (for me personally my cost has gone up 14%, 10%, and 24% each of the last 3 years), and worse coverage than I had pre-Obamacare.

On balance I honestly think Obama is the least accomplished two term president in history. Aside from Obamacare, I really don't think he's accomplished anything (good or bad). He's been largely irrelevant. So I guess there's that.

I agree with you. The roll out was and is horrible. I wish it was done vastly different. Insurance companies pretty much do whatever they want and get away with it. They should not be able to make money on government funded programs.

[jarrodsalas]

Originally Posted by JosieD

Serious question, what is Trumps approach? I tried to look it up but could only find his tax plan. It doesn't help that I have a wiggly 5 year old on my lap.

Sorry for the copy and paste.

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Crime
1
Allow states to legalize marijuana if they chose to do so
1
2
Legalize drugs to take profit away from drug cartels
5
Foreign Policy
3
Strengthen the U.S. military and deploy it appropriately in the East and South China Seas
24
4
Increase funding for PTSD, traumatic brain injury and suicide prevention services
2
5
Increase funding for job training and placement services, educational support and business loans
0
6
Transform the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members
1
7
Better support our women veterans
3
8
Fire the corrupt and incompetent VA executives
0
9
End waste, fraud and abuse at the VA
0
10
Empower the caregivers to ensure our veterans receive quality care quickly
0
11
Hire more veterans to care for veterans
0
12
Embed satellite VA clinics in rural and other underserved areas
2
13
Put an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards
0
14
Bolster the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism
0
15
Enforce stronger protections against Chinese hackers and counterfeit goods
0
16
Adopt a zero tolerance policy on intellectual property theft and forced technology transfer
0
17
Close parts of the Internet to prevent ISIS from attracting recruits
8
18
Increase cooperation between the United States and Russia
1
Government
19
Eliminate waste, fraud and abuse in Federal government spending
2
Healthcare
20
Defund Planned Parenthood
11
Immigration
21
Build a wall along the Mexican border
32
22
Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced
0
23
Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans
3
24
Triple the number of ICE officers
0
25
Implement a nationwide e-verify
2
26
Deport all illegal immigrants
73
27
Detain all illegal immigrants until they are deported
1
28
Cut-off federal grants to any city which acts as a "sanctuary city" and refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement
1
29
Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa
0
30
Cooperate with local gang task forces
0
31
End birthright citizenship
6
32
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs
5
33
Require companies to hire American workers first
0
34
End welfare abuse
5
35
Require employers to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers before issuing new green cards to foreign workers
7
36
Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses
0
37
Temporarily halt Muslim immigration as long as the threat of ISIS persists
5
Jobs & Economy
38
Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator
2
39
Force China to uphold intellectual property laws
0
40
Put an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards
0
41
Place a 45% tariff on Chinese exports to the United States
1
42
Believes the Trans-Pacific Partnership is a bad deal
0
43
Impose a 35% import tax on Mexican border
1
44
Impose a 20% tax on all imported goods
0
45
Mandate a 15% tax for outsourcing jobs
0
Taxes
46
Reduce or eliminate most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich
0
47
Eliminate the income tax for single individuals earning less than $25,000 or those married and jointly earn less than $50,000
1
48
Create a 15% flat tax on businesses
0
49
Eliminate the death tax
0
50
Reduce or eliminate most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich
0
51
Introduce a one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate
0
52
Reduce or eliminate corporate loopholes that cater to special interests
0
53
Simplify the tax code into four brackets from seven brackets - 0%, 10%, 20%, and 25%
0

[preakness]

One of my students said in a debate that she wishes her fat a** mom would get off the couch and that the government is to blame because it's easier for mom to have baby after baby and get money from government than sweat

A bunch of staff just looked at each other and sighed that mom wasn't there to hear that

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by preakness

You accept the wrongdoings of the Burger King (govt) and somehow feel like BK did you a favor (made out in the end) with their mistakes

Thank tou sir may I have another!

For those stating those that complain or speak out because they're entitled ... Same opinion when BLM speaks out?

We were already back on the turnpike when he realized the mistake. I was getting gas in the car while he was getting us lunch. I was driving and not turning around at that point because he was upset over some pickles. And, I never said we made out. I said they made out in the end.

Edit: Just ignore this part: It was something cute I was doing with my son and I said I would keep it.
Beach, opposites, happy, Pappy, I love you, hair blower, that's a funny one, right? Yeah. *giggles* Heart I love you. I love you, too. Now, you choose. Ok, I want to write...umm....this is hard to do on the spot. How about let's go build some legos. Ahhh...Flapper. Glasses. Type in flapper again. Flapper. Do you like the word flapper? It is really funny. Flapper. Oh, I can't type it anymore.

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by preakness

One of my students said in a debate that she wishes her fat a** mom would get off the couch and that the government is to blame because it's easier for mom to have baby after baby and get money from government than sweat

A bunch of staff just looked at each other and sighed that mom wasn't there to hear that

I wish I could have me some babies for money. I'd have at least 9 or 10 by now

[NeilCO]

Originally Posted by preakness

You obviously don't know how much trump's dad gave him to start and how much Trump increased it

Nobody does. Opinions vary wildly both about how much he had to begin and how much he has now.

One thing I will say for Trump is he is ambitious. A lot of extremely wealthy kids just sit on their wealth, or work minimally. Trump is competitive, and he has worked hard to build his brand and wheel and deal. Of course, wheeling and dealing isn't extremely strenuous work when you always have the upper hand (wealth, advisors, the best lawyers, etc.) and can pretty much do whatever you want.


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[CoolG]

Anxious to see how much the movie digs deep into the Clinton foundation

Movie drops tomorrow

Heard reviews are pretty blistering on the Clintons

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by jarrodsalas

Sorry for the copy and paste.
Crime
1
Allow states to legalize marijuana if they chose to do so
1
2
Legalize drugs to take profit away from drug cartels
5
Foreign Policy
3
Strengthen the U.S. military and deploy it appropriately in the East and South China Seas
24
4
Increase funding for PTSD, traumatic brain injury and suicide prevention services
2
5
Increase funding for job training and placement services, educational support and business loans
0
6
Transform the VA to meet the needs of 21st century service members
1
7
Better support our women veterans
3
8
Fire the corrupt and incompetent VA executives
0
9
End waste, fraud and abuse at the VA
0
10
Empower the caregivers to ensure our veterans receive quality care quickly
0
11
Hire more veterans to care for veterans
0
12
Embed satellite VA clinics in rural and other underserved areas
2
13
Put an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards
0
14
Bolster the U.S. military presence in the East and South China Seas to discourage Chinese adventurism
0
15
Enforce stronger protections against Chinese hackers and counterfeit goods
0
16
Adopt a zero tolerance policy on intellectual property theft and forced technology transfer
0
17
Close parts of the Internet to prevent ISIS from attracting recruits
8
18
Increase cooperation between the United States and Russia
1
Government
19
Eliminate waste, fraud and abuse in Federal government spending
2
Healthcare
20
Defund Planned Parenthood
11
Immigration
21
Build a wall along the Mexican border
32
22
Laws passed in accordance with our Constitutional system of government must be enforced
0
23
Any immigration plan must improve jobs, wages and security for all Americans
3
24
Triple the number of ICE officers
0
25
Implement a nationwide e-verify
2
26
Deport all illegal immigrants
73
27
Detain all illegal immigrants until they are deported
1
28
Cut-off federal grants to any city which acts as a "sanctuary city" and refuses to cooperate with federal law enforcement
1
29
Enhanced penalties for overstaying a visa
0
30
Cooperate with local gang task forces
0
31
End birthright citizenship
6
32
Increase prevailing wage for H-1Bs
5
33
Require companies to hire American workers first
0
34
End welfare abuse
5
35
Require employers to hire from the domestic pool of unemployed immigrant and native workers before issuing new green cards to foreign workers
7
36
Increase standards for the admission of refugees and asylum-seekers to crack down on abuses
0
37
Temporarily halt Muslim immigration as long as the threat of ISIS persists
5
Jobs & Economy
38
Bring China to the bargaining table by immediately declaring it a currency manipulator
2
39
Force China to uphold intellectual property laws
0
40
Put an end to China’s illegal export subsidies and lax labor and environmental standards
0
41
Place a 45% tariff on Chinese exports to the United States
1
42
Believes the Trans-Pacific Partnership is a bad deal
0
43
Impose a 35% import tax on Mexican border
1
44
Impose a 20% tax on all imported goods
0
45
Mandate a 15% tax for outsourcing jobs
0
Taxes
46
Reduce or eliminate most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich
0
47
Eliminate the income tax for single individuals earning less than $25,000 or those married and jointly earn less than $50,000
1
48
Create a 15% flat tax on businesses
0
49
Eliminate the death tax
0
50
Reduce or eliminate most deductions and loopholes available to the very rich
0
51
Introduce a one-time deemed repatriation of corporate cash held overseas at a significantly discounted 10% tax rate
0
52
Reduce or eliminate corporate loopholes that cater to special interests
0
53
Simplify the tax code into four brackets from seven brackets - 0%, 10%, 20%, and 25%
0

Thank you for posting this. I actually agree with a majority of his platform outlined here. Some things I am very opposed to.

Someone care to do the same for Mrs. Clinton? We can all compare the 2.

[JosieD]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

I wish I could have me some babies for money. I'd have at least 9 or 10 by now

Same here and I have the much harder part of the deal. I love babies. I want more. My husband got clipped though after 2.