Warning: Jesse Boeglin of Ashaway, RI, aka cardscout accused of multiple thefts

[rustyisin]

Originally Posted by sasports

I probably would have kept quiet in this thread in your shoes. Looking at the details from both ends, you have nothing to gain but a lot to lose by making yourself known. the other member was asking a question about policy and made it a point not to call you out, and your here trashing him and accusing him of something without any proof.

There are a lot of members on BO that spend a lot of money who will likely not want to deal with you knowing that you are acting this way over a simple miscommunication. And honestly, I dont answer my emails daily. I have a life away from ball cards.

Anybody who wants to avoid deals with me knowing the details of this transaction is welcome to.

[Craig]

I noticed that someone vouched for the OP, and I would do the same for rustyisin. I've done multiple higher-end deals with him, and they've always gone off without a hitch.

I'm not going to knock either side, and I hope they get their deal worked out.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Craig

I noticed that someone vouched for the OP, and I would do the same for rustyisin. I've done multiple higher-end deals with him, and they've always gone off without a hitch.

I'm not going to knock either side, and I hope they get their deal worked out.

Can't now, he's taking his ball and going home.

[sasports]

Originally Posted by rustyisin

Anybody who wants to avoid deals with me knowing the details of this transaction is welcome to.

I am just pointing out that this is something you two could have figured out without pointing fingers.

[Craig]

Originally Posted by Boo

Can't now, he's taking his ball and going home.

Seems like it would have been a good time for using a middleman.

[gingerscards]

Originally Posted by Craig

I noticed that someone vouched for the OP, and I would do the same for rustyisin. I've done multiple higher-end deals with him, and they've always gone off without a hitch.

I'm not going to knock either side, and I hope they get their deal worked out.

Originally Posted by Boo

Can't now, he's taking his ball and going home.

Yeah I only vouched for doing deals with Cardscout, in hope it would open up communications again with these two, I am sure Rusty is a decent person and does good deals,
but with the responses and lack of caring from Rusty, I am inclined to think a little different, he keeps insisting Cardscout purposely avoided him for a huge 2 days when it was a Sat and Sun?? His quick action to revoke the deal and pay to have the card removed from the mail system, when he clearly has Cardscouts $700 is well wrong in my opinion.
Since the logistic details was not agreed upon in the talks, the reaction is overreacted lol. It could of been worked out easy, but now it is all messed up and Cardscout has to wait for a refund?? Too bad as it sounded like a decent deal on both ends and I think would of turned out ok if a little patience and understanding was used.
Rusty you always had the paypal protection even though it was only a portion of the deal if the specifics was noted in the paypal transaction then you should not of worry., so all I am saying is you was not hung out to dry and could of work this out in private, both of you!!!

[jlzinck]

So why is rusty getting flack here????

[gingerscards]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

So why is rusty getting flack here????

You well know how it is here, some just like posting what they think, me, I was just trying to point out facts and hopefully get these two to resolve amicably.
From what I have read, Rusty in my opinion over-reacted a little and started the claim process. It could of been a easy fix and none of this would of took place.
Neither SPECIFIED the logistics when making the deal, but now that is the main reason they are at ends on it ??? As I said prior, Rusty being in Canada with 14 feedbacks here ( nowhere else counts) and oh yeah $700 of Cardscouts money, I can see Cardcouts side of it, but I also see Rusty's side as well. Again it could of all been a easy fix but now look at it.

Also Rusty's reply to members here not wanting to deal with him due to this type of reaction, well that is why he is getting FLACK, lol He seems like he really does not care, it is his way or the highway

The qutoe from above post

Originally Posted by sasports
I probably would have kept quiet in this thread in your shoes. Looking at the details from both ends, you have nothing to gain but a lot to lose by making yourself known. the other member was asking a question about policy and made it a point not to call you out, and your here trashing him and accusing him of something without any proof.

There are a lot of members on BO that spend a lot of money who will likely not want to deal with you knowing that you are acting this way over a simple miscommunication. And honestly, I dont answer my emails daily. I have a life away from ball cards.

Quote by Rusty:

Anybody who wants to avoid deals with me knowing the details of this transaction is welcome to.

[rustyisin]

the easy fix would have been for Cardscout to tell me that he'd been delayed in getting my cards out and would do that today. Instead he petitioned this forum looking for support into the deceitful way he conducted this transaction.

"He seems like he really does not care, it is his way or the highway"

Check your facts. This is the attitude of Cardscout, not me.

[oldgoldy97]

Originally Posted by IronMonkey415

Next time send them to me and I'll mail them out to right people with fortune cookies note in them.

This is a new service I'm thinking of creating here on BO.

My son had a fortune cookie last week with no fortune in it. Did you take it?

[gingerscards]

Originally Posted by rustyisin

the easy fix would have been for Cardscout to tell me that he'd been delayed in getting my cards out and would do that today. Instead he petitioned this forum looking for support into the deceitful way he conducted this transaction.

"He seems like he really does not care, it is his way or the highway"

Check your facts. This is the attitude of Cardscout, not me.

I am thinking he posted this thread after you refused the idea of sending first, I would like to see some screen shots of the actual conversation via PM,
I am thinking he said , I am waiting for the card to arrive before I send thinking it was a rule for anyone under 20 to send first, heck you are on SCF so you understand this.
Two, it is you who said the above quote not cardscout, and to me it sounds like if it does not go your way then you do not care what other think or want. But that has nothing to do with the facts of this deal. Post some screen shots of the PM;s , show me where you think he is trying to deceive you in a sneaky way??? You making a claim once the card is in the mail is a red flag for me. I understand it was only partial payment but $700 and the pretense you are going to receive some cards in the mail as the part of that deal, then I would of waited or said, ok sorry we did not discuss this originally but I know about a rule on SCF must send first if below 20 feedbacks. So since you know about said rule on other site, there is no reason for you to react this way and say he is trying to rip you off somehow or he is being a sneak about it. I would of said, ok I will wait for the cards to come, are you going to send today or tomorrow? Did you actually ask that? Two days over a weekend ( Sat & Sun ) is not waiting in my opinion.

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Originally Posted by gingerscards

I am thinking he posted this thread after you refused the idea of sending first, I would like to see some screen shots of the actual conversation via PM,
I am thinking he said , I am waiting for the card to arrive before I send thinking it was a rule for anyone under 20 to send first, heck you are on SCF so you understand this.
Two, it is you who said the above quote not cardscout, and to me it sounds like if it does not go your way then you do not care what other think or want. But that has nothing to do with the facts of this deal. Post some screen shots of the PM;s , show me where you think he is trying to deceive you in a sneaky way??? You making a claim once the card is in the mail is a red flag for me. I understand it was only partial payment but $700 and the pretense you are going to receive some cards in the mail as the part of that deal, then I would of waited or said, ok sorry we did not discuss this originally but I know about a rule on SCF must send first if below 20 feedbacks. So since you know about said rule on other site, there is no reason for you to react this way and say he is trying to rip you off somehow or he is being a sneak about it. I would of said, ok I will wait for the cards to come, are you going to send today or tomorrow? Did you actually ask that?

This is the problem in this thread and in many other threads, to many people "thinking" they know what happened.

[gingerscards]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

This is the problem in this thread and in many other threads, to many people "thinking" they know what happened.

It is what we are left with when there is no screenshots of conversation and all we have is details laid out in the thread, that are not all there yet? So, when I say," I am thinking" it is all I have to work with and covering myself in case a fact surfaces that makes my opinion off or wrong., the real problem with most post like your describing, is speaking without thinking or having read all the facts or read the OP at all, many do that

[CardScout]

Sorry I missed most of this because i am actually at work and can't sit here worried about whether he is going to refund my money and pay $30 to get the card sent back to him. The only thing that worries me in all this is my feedback and justifiably I do believe I deserve negative feedback in all this because I did in fact give bad information and I have been giving bad information for a long time because I was given bad information when i first came to the site. If that is what happens it will truly be a travesty to me but in all actuality I guess I do deserve it because I was wrong and I did tell him it was a rule as though it was law. That was what I was lead to believe and that is what I have been saying to any new member I have traded with. I was not doing it to deceive it was merely what I was lead to believe. If I was doing it to deceive what would I have gained from it besides being safe and assuring I was getting what I was supposed to get. As you can see by my feedback everyone else got what they were promised to. There was no benefit on my part nor intent to unknowingly deceive anyone. I apologize to anyone I made send me first by saying it was the rule when I should have said it was my rule. I actually started this thread thinking someone was going to send me a link but now I know no such link exists. Sorry Rutyisin

[CardScout]

Whoa just catching up.

I didn't avoid him for two days!!!!!!

Just on the forum alone I spoke with him on everyday but Sunday. Come on it's a sin to conduct business on Sunday. Give me a break.

[rustyisin]

messages from this morning:

Cardscout:
"Whats going on? I go everything packed and ready to go out in the mail. I let the misses regulate the phone this weekend and she failed to fill me in on any of you texts because she doesn't like me spending as much as I do on cards. Did I miss anything?"

Rustyisin:
"yes, you missed communicating to me.
Please send tracking when available".

Cardscout:
"I usually wait until I get the cards until I actually send when the other member has less than 50 feedback. I hope this is okay with you. Nothing personal it is just how it is usually done"

Rustyisin:
"that's not OK
Not how it works Jesse. Your own personal system is not ethical.
I have an ebay account that blows your feedback here away.
Send the cards"

"I view it as your purchase, not mine.
It was a courtesy to send your card out before waiting for
the balance of your payment via trade items".

what is your ebay account?
"And don't tell me you don't have one.

Show me the Blowout policy you're referring to"

Cardscout 9:26am:
"I don't have one (ebay acct). Give me a minute on the policy"

"Not at all I was actually planning on checking your tracking today and if everything looked on the up and up I was going to send your package but now that I know you can retract a package I am thinking it is a really good policy to wait until you receive the package before you send to a new member. I just hope you ask a moderator before you think about giving me negative feedback because the only one doing anything deceitful is you".

rustyisin:
"I'm not a new member - and I've been in the hobby since 1987. All you have to do is look at my ebay feedback to know that.
Show me the policy you are referring to on trading".

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...=re204667360us

"I'm still waiting for the reference on how you arrived at your trading practice"

Cardscout then posts this thread at 9:31

[TarjetasBéisbol]

Originally Posted by CardScout

Sorry I missed most of this because i am actually at work and can't sit here worried about whether he is going to refund my money and pay $30 to get the card sent back to him. The only thing that worries me in all this is my feedback and justifiably I do believe I deserve negative feedback in all this because I did in fact give bad information and I have been giving bad information for a long time because I was given bad information when i first came to the site. If that is what happens it will truly be a travesty to me but in all actuality I guess I do deserve it because I was wrong and I did tell him it was a rule as though it was law. That was what I was lead to believe and that is what I have been saying to any new member I have traded with. I was not doing it to deceive it was merely what I was lead to believe. If I was doing it to deceive what would I have gained from it besides being safe and assuring I was getting what I was supposed to get. As you can see by my feedback everyone else got what they were promised to. There was no benefit on my part nor intent to unknowingly deceive anyone. I apologize to anyone I made send me first by saying ti was the rule when I should have said it was my rule. I actually started this thread thinking someone was going to send me a link but now I know no such link exists. Sorry Rutyisin

[CardScout]

One thing I don't understand is if you view it like a purchase the only person that sent money is me? So what do you mean by that?? And more importantly what was your point?

[CardScout]

Thanks TarjetasBéisbol that means a lot!!

[sasports]

Originally Posted by rustyisin

messages from this morning:

Cardscout:
"Whats going on? I go everything packed and ready to go out in the mail. I let the misses regulate the phone this weekend and she failed to fill me in on any of you texts because she doesn't like me spending as much as I do on cards. Did I miss anything?"

Rustyisin:
"yes, you missed communicating to me.
Please send tracking when available".

Cardscout:
"I usually wait until I get the cards until I actually send when the other member has less than 50 feedback. I hope this is okay with you. Nothing personal it is just how it is usually done"

Rustyisin:
"that's not OK
Not how it works Jesse. Your own personal system is not ethical.
I have an ebay account that blows your feedback here away.
Send the cards"

"I view it as your purchase, not mine.
It was a courtesy to send your card out before waiting for
the balance of your payment via trade items".

what is your ebay account?
"And don't tell me you don't have one.

Show me the Blowout policy you're referring to"

Cardscout 9:26am:
"I don't have one (ebay acct). Give me a minute on the policy"

"Not at all I was actually planning on checking your tracking today and if everything looked on the up and up I was going to send your package but now that I know you can retract a package I am thinking it is a really good policy to wait until you receive the package before you send to a new member. I just hope you ask a moderator before you think about giving me negative feedback because the only one doing anything deceitful is you".

rustyisin:
"I'm not a new member - and I've been in the hobby since 1987. All you have to do is look at my ebay feedback to know that.
Show me the policy you are referring to on trading".

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...=re204667360us

"I'm still waiting for the reference on how you arrived at your trading practice"

Cardscout then posts this thread at 9:31

Wow.....I know someone asked for this, but again, I would have kept it to myself. Cardscout has been very polite and tried to work this out from what these messages show. very bad business

[CardScout]

Also thank you Ginger I noticed that you were sticking up for me when I couldn't defend myself and I appreciate more than words could ever say.

[CardScout]

Wow, once again thank you sasports I don't know you but I am glad someone else saw that besides me.

[gingerscards]

Originally Posted by rustyisin

messages from this morning:

Cardscout:
"Whats going on? I go everything packed and ready to go out in the mail. I let the misses regulate the phone this weekend and she failed to fill me in on any of you texts because she doesn't like me spending as much as I do on cards. Did I miss anything?"

Rustyisin:
"yes, you missed communicating to me.
Please send tracking when available".

Cardscout:
"I usually wait until I get the cards until I actually send when the other member has less than 50 feedback. I hope this is okay with you. Nothing personal it is just how it is usually done"

Rustyisin:
"that's not OK
Not how it works Jesse. Your own personal system is not ethical.
I have an ebay account that blows your feedback here away.
Send the cards"

"I view it as your purchase, not mine.
It was a courtesy to send your card out before waiting for
the balance of your payment via trade items".

what is your ebay account?
"And don't tell me you don't have one.

Show me the Blowout policy you're referring to"

Cardscout 9:26am:
"I don't have one (ebay acct). Give me a minute on the policy"

"Not at all I was actually planning on checking your tracking today and if everything looked on the up and up I was going to send your package but now that I know you can retract a package I am thinking it is a really good policy to wait until you receive the package before you send to a new member. I just hope you ask a moderator before you think about giving me negative feedback because the only one doing anything deceitful is you".

rustyisin:
"I'm not a new member - and I've been in the hobby since 1987. All you have to do is look at my ebay feedback to know that.
Show me the policy you are referring to on trading".

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...=re204667360us

"I'm still waiting for the reference on how you arrived at your trading practice"

Cardscout then posts this thread at 9:31

Haha, I knew I was right, yeah you jumped the gun and you know very well about new members sending first rules since you are on SCF, it may not be a rule here but for you to act this way is wrong , I bolded a part, I thought shows a little your character here and your intentions on this deal. His last words to you was let me find the rule, then when he could not, he started a thread asking for help just with that, he never mentioned you until you posted thinking you was defending yourself, and when you did, you ask me , I think you hurt yourself more then defend yourself. Again a little patience and understand would of went along way with this deal. Reading Cardscouts replies to you, I think he was trying to do the right thing and if asked or worked out, he would of mailed right away even after your last pm with him. But that ended with your post here and the fact you filed a return claim with Post Office to stop delivery

[Verufian]

Why do people keep saying that rustyisin is a new member? He's been on the board 2 months shy of 3 years.

As MOST trades work, you send at the same time unless it is worked out ahead of time.

It wasn't.

rustyisin sent, assuming both would send at the same time.

Cardscout didn't, citing a rule that doesn't exist on the reason why he didn't send out, and is wrong for that.

However, anyone giving rustyisin crap for this needs to take a step back. Both were at fault for not clearly setting the expectations for the trade. One assumed one thing, the other assumed another.

If you are going to give rustyisin any crap, you better be giving Cardscout the same amount.

[sasports]

Originally Posted by Verufian

Why do people keep saying that rustyisin is a new member? He's been on the board 2 months shy of 3 years.

As MOST trades work, you send at the same time unless it is worked out ahead of time.

It wasn't.

rustyisin sent, assuming both would send at the same time.

Cardscout didn't, citing a rule that doesn't exist on the reason why he didn't send out, and is wrong for that.

However, anyone giving rustyisin crap for this needs to take a step back. Both were at fault for not clearly setting the expectations for the trade. One assumed one thing, the other assumed another.

If you are going to give rustyisin any crap, you better be giving Cardscout the same amount.

The reason one is being given crap and the other isnt is simple. Yes they both are in the wrong on this. But one of them is trying to fix it while the other is being unreasonable and difficult. That is why rustyisin is getting crap. This was a simple misunderstanding that blew up over absolutely nothing.