Warning: Jesse Boeglin of Ashaway, RI, aka cardscout accused of multiple thefts

[CardScout]

One more thing I am trying real hard to read all the posts but I had to stop and respond to this.

I want to make something clear I don't have an ebay account!!!!! I am not refusing to give something if I simply don't have it. Is it illegal to not have an ebay account? Do I have to make one up? What the F--- how can I be judged for not having an ebay account? You can't assume I am lying about something especially something stupid like that. I can't believe that is even a point or something to post about. Deal with it I don't have an ebay account actually this has been my only source for cards and why I have taken it so seriously.

What makes this worse is I actually talked to Rusty about this and how I don't like how people always take the lowest ebay sale and attach it like that is the value of the card. It really isn't fair for people like me that don't have ebay accounts. Check your text messages we talked about that and now you act like I have some secret account. Why?

[rustyisin]

I am resetting the deal to zero at my cost.

If Cardscout isn't happy with the deal or the new conditions I set for him then he can pass on it.

[CardScout]

Originally Posted by Verufian

Why do people keep saying that rustyisin is a new member? He's been on the board 2 months shy of 3 years.

As MOST trades work, you send at the same time unless it is worked out ahead of time.

It wasn't.

rustyisin sent, assuming both would send at the same time.

Cardscout didn't, citing a rule that doesn't exist on the reason why he didn't send out, and is wrong for that.

However, anyone giving rustyisin crap for this needs to take a step back. Both were at fault for not clearly setting the expectations for the trade. One assumed one thing, the other assumed another.

If you are going to give rustyisin any crap, you better be giving Cardscout the same amount.

Your right I was wrong. I admit it, I actually admitted it about an hour ago. I think that is why no one is giving me a hard time. It is hard to give someone a hard time after they admit there wrong. Think about it.

[CardScout]

Originally Posted by rustyisin

I am resetting the deal to zero at my cost.

If Cardscout isn't happy with the deal or the new conditions I set for him then he can pass on it.

What does that mean?

[hche]

Originally Posted by CardScout

What does that mean?

Unless I misread his past posts, sounded like he is recalling the package and refunding your money. Then everything will be zero. Afterwards, his additional condition is to send at the same time.

[houdini]

Communication.

If you were expecting to wait before sending, that should have been communicated beforehand.

If you were expecting to send at the same time, that should have been communicated beforehand.

You both seem upset that the other person has not met your expectations, but neither bothered to communicate said expectations.

Communicate.

[FreeMan12406]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

So why is rusty getting flack here????

Because this place is full of cancer.

They agree on a trade and after the cards are shipped, the other party changed the trade agreement. With that much money ins a card, is of done the same thing.

[Jacards]

Originally Posted by rustyisin

messages from this morning:

Cardscout:
"Whats going on? I go everything packed and ready to go out in the mail. I let the misses regulate the phone this weekend and she failed to fill me in on any of you texts because she doesn't like me spending as much as I do on cards. Did I miss anything?"

Rustyisin:
"yes, you missed communicating to me.
Please send tracking when available".

Cardscout:
"I usually wait until I get the cards until I actually send when the other member has less than 50 feedback. I hope this is okay with you. Nothing personal it is just how it is usually done"

Rustyisin:
"that's not OK
Not how it works Jesse. Your own personal system is not ethical.
I have an ebay account that blows your feedback here away.
Send the cards"

"I view it as your purchase, not mine.
It was a courtesy to send your card out before waiting for
the balance of your payment via trade items".

what is your ebay account?
"And don't tell me you don't have one.

Show me the Blowout policy you're referring to"

Cardscout 9:26am:
"I don't have one (ebay acct). Give me a minute on the policy"

"Not at all I was actually planning on checking your tracking today and if everything looked on the up and up I was going to send your package but now that I know you can retract a package I am thinking it is a really good policy to wait until you receive the package before you send to a new member. I just hope you ask a moderator before you think about giving me negative feedback because the only one doing anything deceitful is you".

rustyisin:
"I'm not a new member - and I've been in the hobby since 1987. All you have to do is look at my ebay feedback to know that.
Show me the policy you are referring to on trading".

https://tools.usps.com/go/TrackConfi...=re204667360us

"I'm still waiting for the reference on how you arrived at your trading practice"

Cardscout then posts this thread at 9:31

You guys defending cardscout are crazy. I have no horse in this race, but this part here I bolded. If any of you sent a 2500 dollar card, and then got this message when it wasn't discussed before hand, you'd be furious. I know I would be as this is wrong that he would say this after card is shipped and not before. Clearly cardscout had their own agenda, and failed to let the other traders know before it was too late. I 100% blame cardscout, its pretty cut and dry.

[Boo]

Originally Posted by Jacards

You guys defending cardscout are crazy. I have no horse in this race, but this part here I bolded. If any of you sent a 2500 dollar card, and then got this message when it wasn't discussed before hand, you'd be furious. I know I would be as this is wrong that he would say this after card is shipped and not before. Clearly cardscout had their own agenda, and failed to let the other traders know before it was too late. I 100% blame cardscout, its pretty cut and dry.

Wrong. From the posts, neither communicated how they wanted the deal to go down. They both had terrible communication (see Houdini above). Both are to blame.

[wheeler281]

Cardscouts pm contradicts him thinking it was a forum rule. How "he usually does it" is not "I thought the rules are"

He follows normal trading procedure and this is a non issue. This thread to me is a smoke screen.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by Jacards

You guys defending cardscout are crazy. I have no horse in this race, but this part here I bolded. If any of you sent a 2500 dollar card, and then got this message when it wasn't discussed before hand, you'd be furious. I know I would be as this is wrong that he would say this after card is shipped and not before. Clearly cardscout had their own agenda, and failed to let the other traders know before it was too late. I 100% blame cardscout, its pretty cut and dry.

I agree, that bolded part is pretty damning considering nothing was ever agreed to first. If it was not discussed beforehand it would have been easy and usually safe to assume that they were shipping at the same time.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by wheeler281

Cardscouts pm contradicts him thinking it was a forum rule. How "he usually does it" is not "I thought the rules are"

He follows normal trading procedure and this is a non issue. This thread to me is a smoke screen.

Does make you wonder.

[wethenorth]

Originally Posted by Jacards

You guys defending cardscout are crazy. I have no horse in this race, but this part here I bolded. If any of you sent a 2500 dollar card, and then got this message when it wasn't discussed before hand, you'd be furious. I know I would be as this is wrong that he would say this after card is shipped and not before. Clearly cardscout had their own agenda, and failed to let the other traders know before it was too late. I 100% blame cardscout, its pretty cut and dry.

exactly. if i were rustyisin i would be pissed too. you shipped out a $2500 card, then 48 hours later you were told that you are not getting your card because you are a new member and that's the trading rule???

[YankeeRic]

Originally Posted by FreeMan12406

Because this place is full of cancer.

Truth. I've seen less drama in a Hallmark movie of the week. Embarrassing for "grown men".

[Boo]

Originally Posted by YankeeRic

Truth. I've seen less drama in a Hallmark movie of the week. Embarrassing for "grown men".

You watch Hallmark movies???

[CardScout]

Originally Posted by wheeler281

Cardscouts pm contradicts him thinking it was a forum rule. How "he usually does it" is not "I thought the rules are"

He follows normal trading procedure and this is a non issue. This thread to me is a smoke screen.

First why would I announce to the entire forum that I have been on here for 4 years and I still have no idea what the rules are? I am not trying to advertise that I am an idiot. It was only after all this happened that I realized just how uneducated I was about this forum, especially for someone that uses it as much as I do. In being completely honest it was only after I realized I didn't know where to find the rules or how to contact a moderator that I realized the only way to find my answer was to start a thread and have other more educated and experienced members help me. It was actually hard for me to even believe it wasn't a rule and I had been living a lie after seeing the first couple posts. It wasn't until iluvfish2 posted that I realized that I had truly been lead to believe a lie and worse I had been stating it as though it was fact for years. In my personal opinion it seams like common sense that a person with a limited amount of feedback should send first because they haven't proven to be someone that can be trusted. Also I know that I take pride in my feedback and I have even made trades I regretted later after researching them further but still made them for fear of negative feedback. What can a person do if they are ripped off besides give the other person negative feedback? Is there anyway to assure that the other person live up to there half of the bargain besides the threat of negative feedback? As far as I know there is nothing so I thought that was the reason for the rule that I now know is none existent but still feel should be implemented. Had I known before hand it truly wasn't a rule I would have told the other member that I needed him to mail the cards first right in the beginning before any trade was finalized. However thinking that it was in fact an actual rule and seeing that he had been a member for quite some time even though he hadn't received very much feedback I assumed he knew the rule I now know doesn't exist. I was actually very surprised when he thought I was really going to mail the cards at the same time as him especially after already sending him $700. This thread was in no way a smoke screen it was truly a thread meant to find a rule I thought existed and still wonder why it wouldn't exist. To me sending to a moderator and then having the moderator resend the cards not only adds cost to a trade it seams pointless because why would someone with more than 200 positive feedback do anything to jeopardize said feedback? Also the person with less feedback will be waiting just as long as if he sent and waited for the other person to receive the cards before he sent them. The only difference is it costs both of them twice as much to make the trade and wastes the time of a moderator. Personally I would make a ton more trades if it wasn't for the cost and inconvenience of shipping and packaging the last thing I want to do is add to that. Especially when I have every intention of making good on my end of the trade. Personally nothing against Blowout I love it but the first thing I am going to do after finishing this is find out what SCF is and become a member there. It seams like that might be a better place for conducting trades in my personal opinion. So if anyone could send me a link it would be greatly appreciated.

[wethenorth]

Originally Posted by CardScout

First why would I announce to the entire forum that I have been on here for 4 years and I still have no idea what the rules are? I am not trying to advertise that I am an idiot. It was only after all this happened that I realized just how uneducated I was about this forum, especially for someone that uses it as much as I do. In being completely honest it was only after I realized I didn't know where to find the rules or how to contact a moderator that I realized the only way to find my answer was to start a thread and have other more educated and experienced members help me. It was actually hard for me to even believe it wasn't a rule and I had been living a lie after seeing the first couple posts. It wasn't until iluvfish2 posted that I realized that I had truly been lead to believe a lie and worse I had been stating it as though it was fact for years. In my personal opinion it seams like common sense that a person with a limited amount of feedback should send first because they haven't proven to be someone that can be trusted. Also I know that I take pride in my feedback and I have even made trades I regretted later after researching them further but still made them for fear of negative feedback. What can a person do if they are ripped off besides give the other person negative feedback? Is there anyway to assure that the other person live up to there half of the bargain besides the threat of negative feedback? As far as I know there is nothing so I thought that was the reason for the rule that I now know is none existent but still feel should be implemented. Had I known before hand it truly wasn't a rule I would have told the other member that I needed him to mail the cards first right in the beginning before any trade was finalized. However thinking that it was in fact an actual rule and seeing that he had been a member for quite some time even though he hadn't received very much feedback I assumed he knew the rule I now know doesn't exist. I was actually very surprised when he thought I was really going to mail the cards at the same time as him especially after already sending him $700. This thread was in no way a smoke screen it was truly a thread meant to find a rule I thought existed and still wonder why it wouldn't exist. To me sending to a moderator and then having the moderator resend the cards not only adds cost to a trade it seams pointless because why would someone with more than 200 positive feedback do anything to jeopardize said feedback? Also the person with less feedback will be waiting just as long as if he sent and waited for the other person to receive the cards before he sent them. The only difference is it costs both of them twice as much to make the trade and wastes the time of a moderator. Personally I would make a ton more trades if it wasn't for the cost and inconvenience of shipping and packaging the last thing I want to do is add to that. Especially when I have every intention of making good on my end of the trade. Personally nothing against Blowout I love it but the first thing I am going to do after finishing this is find out what SCF is and become a member there. It seams like that might be a better place for conducting trades in my personal opinion. So if anyone could send me a link it would be greatly appreciated.

you sounded like you have sent him the full payment. the card is worth $2500 and obviously $700 is not enough for a $2500 card.

[asujbl]

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

How is someone supposed to make another person do something they won't do?

The bottom line is both traders need to feel comfortable making the deal, if you don't feel comfortable just move on. Trust is good but control is better, sometimes that control will make you spend more money to make it happen.

I understand your point Rusty but telling us who you are or what you do for a living may not help much, it depends on how trustworthy you are actually perceived during the transaction. Good luck with the trade.

Edit: We have seen many times over that a person's iTrader or eBay feedback is only as good as their last transaction.

Well yeah - I can't make anyone do anything - I thought my point was clear though that I'd either not make the deal or use a 3rd party if it was the only other option. I certainly can't make someone send first. The deal simply wouldn't go down.

[FreeMan12406]

Originally Posted by CardScout

I was actually very surprised when he thought I was really going to mail the cards at the same time as him especially after already sending him $700.

You were surprised at this? Is this real life? I mean, yeah, why would he think you were shipping at the same time? Stupid new trader.

[FreeMan12406]

Originally Posted by CardScout

Personally nothing against Blowout I love it but the first thing I am going to do after finishing this is find out what SCF is and become a member there. It seams like that might be a better place for conducting trades in my personal opinion. So if anyone could send me a link it would be greatly appreciated.

[BostonNut]

This was so easily avoidable...

[dbaks]

Originally Posted by BostonNut

This was so easily avoidable...

BINGO

[YankeeRic]

Originally Posted by Boo

You watch Hallmark movies???

Happy wife, happy life.

[IronMonkey415]

Coming from such a prestige member as myself. When I demand people to send first, they send first.

[CardScout]

Just in case anyone was wondering the card is back in Washington and none of my $700 has been refunded.