KLaw's Top 100 Prospects List - Page 7

rutgersjpm · 01-26-2017, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I like the write up that Law made.

He has a high floor which is great but has a low ceiling. To me that isn't a top 40 prospect. We will see what happens with him.

I think him and Kyle Tucker are very similar. Solid defense, very good contact rates, but slender with the frame to add bulk. So far, Kyle Tucker's worked out very well for the Stros.

theflushingmets · 01-26-2017, 02:42 PM

klaw is soooo goofy. i hate he has a boner for kevin newman. quantrill at #23? beuhler over Alvarez? tatis Jr over Vlad JR? and this is the first year i think dom smith actually warrants the praise law has put on him.

i feel like he needs to be a contrarian. i guess thats his job though. when hes right on a reach he gets to say "i told you so" and if he's not right he gets to shrug it off as "thats prospecting, eh? cant win them all".

BeastMode27 · 01-26-2017, 02:49 PM

How is Gettys overrated? If anything he's underrated. Has hit over .300 two seasons, has shown great speed, decent pop, amazing defense and arm. He's not making people's top 150. He may strike out a lot but so do a lot of the best players in the game.

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Originally Posted by steelers

Athletes in this business always get over-rated due to their highest absolute potential, Buxton, Gettys, Starling, etc. I wouldn't get carried away with all that when it comes down to how you can hit in the card business. Vlad Jr is not over weight any longer, all the recent photos clearly show that and BA has mentioned how he was trimmed down big time. Jim Callis recently stated Vlad Jr is # 31 on his top 100 and BA will have him even higher I think judging by their recent comments on him. Acuna might make BA's top 100, but I would bet it's the back end of the list if he makes it at all. Just look at where BA ranked these guys on the league top 20 lists that came out late last year. That gives you a good indication where BA will place them.

Davis · 01-26-2017, 02:56 PM

when do the real top 100 lists come out?

jewcer2k5 · 01-26-2017, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by rutgersjpm

I think him and Kyle Tucker are very similar. Solid defense, very good contact rates, but slender with the frame to add bulk. So far, Kyle Tucker's worked out very well for the Stros.

Agree, looking at the Bowman Chrome world there is quite the price discrepancy.

rutgersjpm · 01-26-2017, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by fenwaykid

Margot's power is below average - 45. Hey look another .275 hitting, 5 hr 20 SB guy. Yay!

Patience...

Will he be a 30 HR a year guy, probably not, but don't sleep on his age versus the competition. On average, he's been playing against guys 4-5 years older than him. My guess is he adds bulk and the steals decrease. I believe he can be .300/.375/.450 20/20 while being a gold glove candidate in CF.

rutgersjpm · 01-26-2017, 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Agree, looking at the Bowman Chrome world there is quite the price discrepancy.

The Mark Appel affect.

VandyCards · 01-26-2017, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bulljh

Here are the remaining 20 IMO

Arroyo (wishful thinking though probably wrong)
Devers
Senzel
Benintendi
Robles
Meadows
Jimenez
Zimmer
Torres
Swanson
Rodgers
Crawford
Rosario
Moncada
Bell
Bellinger
Reyes
Giolito
Kopech
Groome

He said in a recent chat that Arroyo is not a top 50 guy.

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VandyCards · 01-26-2017, 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Agree, looking at the Bowman Chrome world there is quite the price discrepancy.

I don't think their swings or approaches are much similar. Tucker has significantly more power I believe.

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jewcer2k5 · 01-26-2017, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by VandyCards

I don't think their swings or approaches are much similar. Tucker has significantly more power I believe.

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And sells for 1/3 the price?

bulljh · 01-26-2017, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by VandyCards

He said in a recent chat that Arroyo is not a top 50 guy.

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Apparently he didn't think he was a top 100 then. Oh well, like I said, it was wishful thinking. That last spot could be Soto or Mateo or someone else.

imbluestreak23 · 01-26-2017, 03:25 PM

You know, it's funny how all of these "lists" have projections early on in the player's career, and seeing the adjustments to those lists once the player demonstrates a strong on the field performance.

Thus far, Soto is falling right in line with Robbles rankings. BA #3 prospect entering their presumed SAL debut season. Robles had a ho hum 2016 year but is now in contention for the 2018 MLB #1 prospect award. Who woulda thunk it

Big knock on Soto is he isn't as athletic. Okay, whatever. I don't buy cards of guys who are athletic. I buy cards of those who can hit the baseball. If Soto hits, he will appear on KLAWS list. He's already been confirmed to be on BAs in a recent prospect chat.

StraWMyerS · 01-26-2017, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by theflushingmets

klaw is soooo goofy. i hate he has a boner for kevin newman. quantrill at #23? beuhler over Alvarez? tatis Jr over Vlad JR? and this is the first year i think dom smith actually warrants the praise law has put on him.

i feel like he needs to be a contrarian. i guess thats his job though. when hes right on a reach he gets to say "i told you so" and if he's not right he gets to shrug it off as "thats prospecting, eh? cant win them all".

All these lists are 85-90% wrong as it is, and there is a ton of gray area when when it comes to assessing the validity of them. Some lists favor current ability and others factor aptitude and projection more highly... but depending what qualities you value the heaviest, there's going to be some variance.

Dom Smith before this year as an example of a reach is kind of curious, also. Doesn't relative success validate his past good rankings, or are the rankings supposed to contend who was good last year, or will be good this coming season, as related to short term baseball card market outlooks?

VandyCards · 01-26-2017, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

And sells for 1/3 the price?

I dunno their card values I don't pay attention to too many prospect prices.

I'm just suggesting I don't see much of a similarity between Tucker and Moniak. Many guys with more power than Moniak sell for a third of the price of his cards. Usually because the other tools aren't as strong. Moniak is an across the board solid to above average guy. Tucker has a very uniquely ted Williams like swing and a good bit more swing and miss. Also taller and ganglier I believe.

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bear0555 · 01-26-2017, 03:51 PM

I love Law's lists, because regardless of whether he's right or wrong, they force you to open up your mind more. When he ranked Newman high last year and no one else seemed to rank him at all, we were all stunned. I read another scouting report on Newman and it said the same things Law said, but wasn't ranked as such. Now it seems like everyone else has Newman on their lists. And it's not like Newman got that much better in the past year.

While I've started to realize that Law is sometimes wrong even when he's absolutely sure he's right, he also gives big clues to what industry consensus may be missing. The interesting part is figuring out what is what.

Jaypers · 01-26-2017, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Davis

when do the real top 100 lists come out?

MLB's on Saturday, and BA's in Feb.

steveO · 01-26-2017, 04:50 PM

Jonathan Mayo just tweeted a response to the following question on Acuna:

"How close was Acuna? If he repeats with a full season is he on the list?

Mayo - "Really deep list, so probably not as close as Braves fans would like. We might be light on Acuna, but will adjust in-season"

mwash1983 · 01-26-2017, 05:14 PM

per a guy I talk to in mlb, teams have been barred from talking to Law on prospects ie. he's an absolute A-Hole to many in the industry...

mwash1983 · 01-26-2017, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by steveO

Jonathan Mayo just tweeted a response to the following question on Acuna:

"How close was Acuna? If he repeats with a full season is he on the list?

Mayo - "Really deep list, so probably not as close as Braves fans would like. We might be light on Acuna, but will adjust in-season"

Jonathan Mayo and Callis are clueless as well, they get paid by teams to pump up rankings on guys in order to create hype and artificial trade value. I guess Gleyber Torres is going to be a top 4 prospect on their show tomorrow night, they grade him out to be the next Carlos Correa. I talked to the head guy of BP and he told me Torres is not only not a SS in the majors, he's a 15 HR hitter. A mlb guy told me Torres is going to end up their CF in 2 years since they don't want to move didi and they sign Machado...

rutgersjpm · 01-26-2017, 05:59 PM

I figured it out...

mwash1983 = Keith Law

The gig is up.

mwash1983 · 01-26-2017, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dchurg

sorry had moniak and vlad on the brain. also I am not sure anything of your background and how you are 100% certain of anything but I will quote the sacred BA on this one, "The Future: Soto will play the entire 2017 season as an 18-year-old, and is probably advanced enough to handle an assignment to low Class A Hagerstown. But the Nationals could opt for a more conservative approach and send him back to Auburn, where he would still be one of the youngest players in the league.
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Not sure why you are so certain he is headed to Hagerstown but besides that Robles has elite tools where Soto just simply doesn't. I am sorry to everyone who is blinded by the prices of his chrome auto but this dudes is ceiling is a good above average big league bat in RF. On top of that being the high end of his talent he is at least 4 years away and carries enormous risk as his competition increases. Can you point in the direction of ONE scouting report that sees him as more then a solid regular? I can't find one.

How do you know this guy's ceiling is above average bat. Hell Mike Trout was compared to Aaron Rowand after the draft/Rookie Ball....

PejaD · 01-26-2017, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bulljh

Here are the remaining 20 IMO

Arroyo (wishful thinking though probably wrong)
Devers
Senzel
Benintendi
Robles
Meadows
Jimenez
Zimmer
Torres
Swanson
Rodgers
Crawford
Rosario
Moncada
Bell
Bellinger
Reyes
Giolito
Kopech
Groome

Agree with the exception of Zimmer and Arroyo. I believe Renaldo Lopez and Francisco Mejia will make the top 20. Biggest snub from the entire 100 will be Jorge Mateo.

fulltritty · 01-27-2017, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cornerstore

I'm a yankee fan and wouldnt be surprised if hes out of the top 100 right now. Its law and hes usually over the place - but Mateo is going to fall in most lists this year. I think defensively he is best suited for 2b and is suspension raised some question marks about his character. If anything he is a late 60-100 guy on most lists. If Law has him in the top 20 thats madness IMO. I think Kaperallin was high too as a yankee fan but I do like his makeup a lot. Want to see Domingo Acevado more as I think he has the highest ceiling of any yankee pitcher but I highly doubt he would make a top 20 list this year... next year maybe.

To me his character due to his suspension is not in doubt. It wasn't like he got suspended for doing recreational drugs, steroids, or just not playing hard. He was mad because he wasn't moving up in the organization; a organization well known for bringing good players up too slowly. That shows fire and the desire to make the show and help the real team out.

I think Kaprielian moved up because of his really good AFL this year.

fulltritty · 01-27-2017, 05:48 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Blake Rutherford has a better career than Moniak.

Keyser Soze · 01-27-2017, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by mwash1983

How do you know this guy's ceiling is above average bat. Hell Mike Trout was compared to Aaron Rowand after the draft/Rookie Ball....

This is silly. If everyone used the exception to try to prove the norm then there would be no point in any of this.

01-26-2017, 02:42 PM	#152
theflushingmets Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Richmond VA Posts: 2,014 Rob_digital_nyc Theflushingmets516	klaw is soooo goofy. i hate he has a boner for kevin newman. quantrill at #23? beuhler over Alvarez? tatis Jr over Vlad JR? and this is the first year i think dom smith actually warrants the praise law has put on him. i feel like he needs to be a contrarian. i guess thats his job though. when hes right on a reach he gets to say "i told you so" and if he's not right he gets to shrug it off as "thats prospecting, eh? cant win them all". __________________ Always looking to add more to my Mets collection. Currently looking for high end cards of the more obscure players to put on a Mets uni in the bigs.

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imbluestreak23 Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Meandering the matrix code that the hobby/forum overlords spit out Posts: 17,738 shortslabs	You know, it's funny how all of these "lists" have projections early on in the player's career, and seeing the adjustments to those lists once the player demonstrates a strong on the field performance. Thus far, Soto is falling right in line with Robbles rankings. BA #3 prospect entering their presumed SAL debut season. Robles had a ho hum 2016 year but is now in contention for the 2018 MLB #1 prospect award. Who woulda thunk it Big knock on Soto is he isn't as athletic. Okay, whatever. I don't buy cards of guys who are athletic. I buy cards of those who can hit the baseball. If Soto hits, he will appear on KLAWS list. He's already been confirmed to be on BAs in a recent prospect chat. Last edited by imbluestreak23; 01-26-2017 at 03:27 PM.

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bear0555 Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 1,830 greenfankc bear0555	I love Law's lists, because regardless of whether he's right or wrong, they force you to open up your mind more. When he ranked Newman high last year and no one else seemed to rank him at all, we were all stunned. I read another scouting report on Newman and it said the same things Law said, but wasn't ranked as such. Now it seems like everyone else has Newman on their lists. And it's not like Newman got that much better in the past year. While I've started to realize that Law is sometimes wrong even when he's absolutely sure he's right, he also gives big clues to what industry consensus may be missing. The interesting part is figuring out what is what. __________________ Bowman Chrome Autos For Sale: Raw, BGS, PSA, Base, and Color. Click Ebay link for listings. Current Featured Card[s]: 2019 Bowman Chrome Draft Corbin Carroll Black Wave Refractor Auto 1/1 BGS 9.5

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steveO Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,297 fbplayer_714	Jonathan Mayo just tweeted a response to the following question on Acuna: "How close was Acuna? If he repeats with a full season is he on the list? Mayo - "Really deep list, so probably not as close as Braves fans would like. We might be light on Acuna, but will adjust in-season" __________________ Michael Fulmer SuperCollector https://www.flickr.com/gp/150760156@N06/Q82622 12 Complete Rainbows

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rutgersjpm Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: NJ Posts: 6,205 thebeardsbreaks draftbreak	I figured it out... mwash1983 = Keith Law The gig is up. __________________ https://www.instagram.com/thebeardsbreaks

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Davis Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Denver Posts: 6,514	when do the real top 100 lists come out?

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mwash1983 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 6,141	per a guy I talk to in mlb, teams have been barred from talking to Law on prospects ie. he's an absolute A-Hole to many in the industry...

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fulltritty Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: King George, VA Posts: 77,910	I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Blake Rutherford has a better career than Moniak.