Removing autograph stickers from cards - Page 2

RW3FAN · 03-08-2017, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

This is what so many collectors fail to realize: Your sticker auto card is not a singular item.

As long as the certification is valid (a sticker auto from the same company), OP is good.

EDIT: My stance is actually a big reason why I avoid stickers at all cost. The player never held the card. He did not sign the card, he signed a sticker and someone else stuck it on the card. That's why it's so easy to separate the two.

Could you imagine them doing that with auto'd jerseys! LMAO
Oh wait, they kinda do. I see people getting numbers signed, then later having a tackle twill place sew them onto a jersey layer.

altaeria · 03-08-2017, 08:48 PM

I'd like to just buy a sheet of fifty of those autographed stickers. At least then I feel like the player actually held and signed the item.

Corky · 03-08-2017, 09:37 PM

It is so odd that people are getting worked up over this. If the op owns an official card of a player with a crappy sticker autograph and he wants to replace the crappy sticker autograph using a better sticker autograph from another official card that the op owns of the same player from the same exact company he is not altering the card in any way. The card had a sticker autograph of player X, the card now has sticker autograph of player X and it is remaining in his collection.

This is nothing like pulling out a plain jersey relic and tossing in a S1CK MOJO!!!1111!! patch to sell it at a profit.

SanAntonioSpurs · 03-08-2017, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Corky

It is so odd that people are getting worked up over this. If the op owns an official card of a player with a crappy sticker autograph and he wants to replace the crappy sticker autograph using a better sticker autograph from another official card that the op owns of the same player from the same exact company he is not altering the card in any way. The card had a sticker autograph of player X, the card now has sticker autograph of player X and it is remaining in his collection.

This is nothing like pulling out a plain jersey relic and tossing in a S1CK MOJO!!!1111!! patch to sell it at a profit.

Lol.... What? Sometimes I wonder if people think about what they type or just type and hit enter just to make a post.

mhcook · 03-08-2017, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

.....I think OP transferring a legit sticker auto to another legit sticker auto card is at least 98% acceptable and far from anything to raise a stink over, even as a buyer.

I see it as the same as if the OP sent the card back to the manufacturer because the sticker auto was defective and they pull it off and replace it with a new sticker auto.

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pgisback · 03-08-2017, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SanAntonioSpurs

Lol.... What? Sometimes I wonder if people think about what they type or just type and hit enter just to make a post.

Are these people serious with what they are saying? That's kind of scary people actually have this thought process. That taking off a sticker auto on a card and replacing it with another one is not altering the card, lol. You have got to be kidding me.

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

Cutting out crappy single color patches and replacing them with nice looking ones.

I was gonna say the same thing. Sketchy. Give the counterfeiters a few more tips.

We can argue about 99% of the topics ... But am in full agreement ... "Sketchy as hell" this thread has provided a list of people not to trade or buy from for me at least

rman112 · 03-09-2017, 03:19 AM

OP is catching flack for no reason. If he buys it, it's his card. Who cares? If he decides to move it down the road, all he has to do is fully disclose that he changed out the sticker.

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

OP is catching flack for no reason. If he buys it, it's his card. Who cares? If he decides to move it down the road, all he has to do is fully disclose that he changed out the sticker.

As far as catching flack goes? Not sure what OP expected asking a question about how to alter a card

The card is not considered altered ONLY if pack pulled or replaced by panini ... Not the consumer who decides to change the card from its original state ... It's not even close to panini fixing and sending it back ... It's their product and their discretion on what to do with said card ... Not joe consumers decision .... If the consumer takes it upon themselves to alter the card in ANY way then it's just that ... An altered card .... It's not that hard to comprehend this .... Is it ok to change a shortened Sig of AP or EZE with a full sig sticker just because you don't like the shortened one? .... No it's not ... It's a deceitful practice regardless of the intentions

rman112 · 03-09-2017, 03:50 AM

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

As far as catching flack goes? Not sure what OP expected asking a question about how to alter a card

The card is not considered altered ONLY if pack pulled or replaced by panini ... Not the consumer who decides to change the card from its original state ... It's not even close to panini fixing and sending it back ... It's their product and their discretion on what to do with said card ... Not joe consumers decision .... If the consumer takes it upon themselves to alter the card in ANY way then it's just that ... An altered card .... It's not that hard to comprehend this .... Is it ok to change a shortened Sig of AP or EZE with a full sig sticker just because you don't like the shortened one? .... No it's not ... It's a deceitful practice regardless of the intentions

Of course it's altered..

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Of course it's altered..

And that's the whole problem ... It shouldn't be done at all ....

Maybe OP should just hold out for a better one and move the one he does not like...

rman112 · 03-09-2017, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

And that's the whole problem ... It shouldn't be done at all ....

Maybe OP should just hold out for a better one and move the one he does not like...

Bull. The only problem with it is in your mind. Where exactly is the deceit, if, hypothetically, he trades/sells it, fully disclosing that he altered it by changing the sticker? Or he keeps it and exactly zero people are negatively affected.

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 04:07 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Bull. The only problem with it is in your mind. Where exactly is the deceit, if, hypothetically, he trades/sells it, fully disclosing that he altered it by changing the sticker? Or he keeps it and exactly zero people are negatively affected.

The deceit leis in altering the card ... If seller does indeed disclose this info when and if he moves it ... Is that new owner gonna do the same? And so on and so on .... These things can't be willingly let into circulation without denoting it on the altered card .... If you cant understand this I'm sorry, I can't tell you what morals to adhere to and most likely won't be able to explain what scruples are to you as well ....

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 04:11 AM

Also as stated previously ... If something were to happen to the Op... you know ... Like pass away like millions of other people ... Is his family going to disclose this when the move his belongings or is it going to be buried with him? .... It will go into circulation one day ... That is not even up for debate

rman112 · 03-09-2017, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

The deceit leis in altering the card ... If seller does indeed disclose this info when and if he moves it ... Is that new owner gonna do the same? And so on and so on .... These things can't be willingly let into circulation without denoting it on the altered card .... If you cant understand this I'm sorry, I can't tell you what morals to adhere to and most likely won't be able to explain what scruples are to you as well ....

Lol.. I know you are saying. What I am saying is that you are making a lot of negative assumptions.

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Lol.. I know you are saying. What I am saying is that you are making a lot of negative assumptions.

They need to be made ... whether the intentions are innocent or deceitful in nature it makes no difference

rman112 · 03-09-2017, 04:25 AM

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

They need to be made ... whether the intentions are innocent or deceitful in nature it makes no difference

But it's not deceit. Deceit is presenting something as something it's not. That only happens if your scenario comes true (one where the OP dies.. c'mon). I mean, using that ideology, you better not go outside or drive. A meteor could strike or you could die in an accident. It could happen, so might as well not do it at all.

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

But it's not deceit. Deceit is presenting something as something it's not. That only happens if your scenario comes true (one where the OP dies.. c'mon). I mean, using that ideology, you better not go outside or drive. A meteor could strike or you could die in an accident. It could happen, so might as well not do it at all.

It's deceit because that's not the way it came out of the pack or not the way it was returned from panini .... Yes that is an extreme example ... But a reality non the less and as also previously stated ... People out grow hobbies and put their cards back into circulation for a million other reasonns that may be beyond their control .... This is no different than the guy putting logo patches into single color playbook cards ... Why even take a chance they will make it into circulation? One easy way to make sure it does not happen is to not do it

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 04:41 AM

Is it ok for me to take out that 1 or 2 color patch from my /5 and put in a 4 color or logo from a higher print run of the same card? I mean both patches came from the same player from the same product ... Just different print runs

rman112 · 03-09-2017, 04:42 AM

Only deceit if the potential seller doesn't fully disclose it. I understand that we won't see eye to eye, though. Have a good night.. morning

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by rman112

Only deceit if the potential seller doesn't fully disclose it. I understand that we won't see eye to eye, though. Have a good night.. morning

Which is why I said earlier he should take a sharpie and write "altered signature" on the back ... If is PC he shouldn't care and if he cares about the hobby he would understand why doing that is a good thing!

Good debate!!!

Kollectornet · 03-09-2017, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

What are you talking about? Haha, the sticker auto and the card is 1 card, they are not separate. Just like switching out a patch is altering a card. I hope you're not doing this and selling it to the public. That's sketchy as heck.

Hmmmm, at first I was it may be ok to swap out the auto. But now that you said this, I hate altered patches. It is so wrong. I have to keep my stance on altered cards. No swapping stickers autos.

RogerGodahell · 03-09-2017, 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

Which is why I said earlier he should take a sharpie and write "altered signature" on the back ... If is PC he shouldn't care and if he cares about the hobby he would understand why doing that is a good thing!

Good debate!!!

Agreed. If they write on the back altered with a sharpie that would be ok. The problem arises when person A moves the card to person B, C, D.

dukestr89 · 03-09-2017, 06:56 AM

Easy solution. Do away with the stupid stickers and nothing gets altered.

paparoke · 03-09-2017, 10:09 AM

If the card is for your PC, then I'd say you can do whatever you want to do to alter the card and make it more appealing to you. The only problem I'd have is if you try to resell it and not fully disclose what you have done to the card.

03-08-2017, 09:37 PM	#28
Corky Member Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Arizona (Hometown: Seattle) Posts: 1,487 jumper48 corky	It is so odd that people are getting worked up over this. If the op owns an official card of a player with a crappy sticker autograph and he wants to replace the crappy sticker autograph using a better sticker autograph from another official card that the op owns of the same player from the same exact company he is not altering the card in any way. The card had a sticker autograph of player X, the card now has sticker autograph of player X and it is remaining in his collection. This is nothing like pulling out a plain jersey relic and tossing in a S1CK MOJO!!!1111!! patch to sell it at a profit. __________________ I am a player collector focusing mainly on Ken Griffey Jr. but I also collect Jay Buhner, Edgar Martinez, Ryan Bader. and University of Arizona http://real-corky.deviantart.com/gallery/

03-08-2017, 08:48 PM	#27
altaeria Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: CenterCityPhiladelphia Posts: 1,934 altaeria altaeria	I'd like to just buy a sheet of fifty of those autographed stickers. At least then I feel like the player actually held and signed the item.

03-09-2017, 03:19 AM	#33
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	OP is catching flack for no reason. If he buys it, it's his card. Who cares? If he decides to move it down the road, all he has to do is fully disclose that he changed out the sticker.

03-09-2017, 04:11 AM	#39
phinzphan1372 Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Outlaw Nation, RI 401 Posts: 3,522	Also as stated previously ... If something were to happen to the Op... you know ... Like pass away like millions of other people ... Is his family going to disclose this when the move his belongings or is it going to be buried with him? .... It will go into circulation one day ... That is not even up for debate

03-09-2017, 04:41 AM	#44
phinzphan1372 Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Outlaw Nation, RI 401 Posts: 3,522	Is it ok for me to take out that 1 or 2 color patch from my /5 and put in a 4 color or logo from a higher print run of the same card? I mean both patches came from the same player from the same product ... Just different print runs

03-09-2017, 04:42 AM	#45
rman112 Banned Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Freedom is Free Again Posts: 40,946	Only deceit if the potential seller doesn't fully disclose it. I understand that we won't see eye to eye, though. Have a good night.. morning

03-09-2017, 06:56 AM	#49
dukestr89 Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 3,923	Easy solution. Do away with the stupid stickers and nothing gets altered.

03-09-2017, 10:09 AM	#50
paparoke Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: Nevada Posts: 4,379 papasharoke	If the card is for your PC, then I'd say you can do whatever you want to do to alter the card and make it more appealing to you. The only problem I'd have is if you try to resell it and not fully disclose what you have done to the card.