Removing autograph stickers from cards - Page 4

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Branesergen

And if you were deceived in a purchase for yourself?

Collectibles have a greater chance of entering the market vs 95% of your other personal property. Thru death, theft, divorce, mad ex-gf, friends of your children with sticky fingers, etc etc. Everyone sees a sports card and thinks money. Yes all slim possibilities, but possibilities none the less. Just because it may not happen to you, doesn't mean it doesn't happen at all.

why is that so hard to understand .... I don't get it

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SanAntonioSpurs

Do what you want with your property, but can you guarantee it won't make it back into the marketplace? Identify it in someway that it would be noticed if it does make it back in.

Switching out a sticker for a better one is equal to switching out a patch or trimming a card because the desired outcome all 3 actions have is.... to make the copy better. Whether to increase the resale value at a later time or to make it more appealing for your PC is irreverent.

another one who gets it

afrederick12 · 03-09-2017, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Have I redeemed myself?

Selling?

TheFrenzy · 03-09-2017, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

no we are arguing about screwing the rest of the hobby over

My private property does not belong to the rest of the hobby.

TheFrenzy · 03-09-2017, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by afrederick12

Selling?

No. I don't want to go to Heck, dang it.

TheFrenzy · 03-09-2017, 01:11 PM

Just waiting for Tones to pop back into his thread like:

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

My private property does not belong to the rest of the hobby.

no matter what you say ... some day it will

Branesergen · 03-09-2017, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Just waiting for Tones to pop back into his thread like:

You win. That's funny as hell! Mostly because it's true haha

He's probably already been here and did the baby gif that walks in, gets startled and turns around and leaves. You know the one. I cant and won't learn how to post gifs lol

pgisback · 03-09-2017, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

My private property does not belong to the rest of the hobby.

If you want to damage your own cards, more power to you. Announcing your intentions of shady practices to everyone is not the smartest thing to do. I personally would be very upset if I learned someone like you took my money and I have your shady custom altered copy because you have some insane belief that the sticker and the card are separate because a player didn't "touch the card". Lol, one of the more ridiculous beliefs I've heard.

TheFrenzy · 03-09-2017, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by pgisback

If you want to damage your own cards, more power to you. Announcing your intentions of shady practices to everyone is not the smartest thing to do. I personally would be very upset if I learned someone like you took my money and I have your shady custom altered copy because you have some insane belief that the sticker and the card are separate because a player didn't "touch the card". Lol, one of the more ridiculous beliefs I've heard.

Now you're just being mean.

BGT Masters · 03-09-2017, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Branesergen

You win. That's funny as hell! Mostly because it's true haha

He's probably already been here and did the baby gif that walks in, gets startled and turns around and leaves. You know the one. I cant and won't learn how to post gifs lol

TheFrenzy · 03-09-2017, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by BGT Masters

LOL!

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 02:07 PM

Yup keep clinging to that property argument .... Guess you have nothing else ... It's not about that ... But you have shown your self and I personally would never deal with you in a transaction .... Have fun!

chugga15 · 03-09-2017, 02:23 PM

I understand the position of "its his/her private property". However, this type of situation presents an ethical dilemma. If you don't at least feel some uneasiness about altering cards, then I would never want to do business with you.

I believe that it is wrong to alter any card. I dont want other people altering cards, so therefore I cannot alter cards. This belief does not change with different circumstances. It is a categorical imperative.

This debate boils down to: do you believe in a subjectivity or objectivity

TheFrenzy · 03-09-2017, 02:26 PM

Dang. This guy is going to Heck so hard....

http://www.baseballcardvandals.com

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chugga15

I understand the position of "its his/her private property". However, this type of situation presents an ethical dilemma. If you don't at least feel some uneasiness about altering cards, then I would never want to do business with you.

I believe that it is wrong to alter any card. I dont want other people altering cards, so therefore I cannot alter cards. This belief does not change with different circumstances. It is a categorical imperative.

This debate boils down to: do you believe in a subjectivity or objectivity

You sir have boiled down this thread into one post ... You get it 100%

montypython · 03-09-2017, 02:33 PM

While I respect the Libertarian approach--private property is private property--and understand the argument about the responsibility to the rest of the hobby, here is the thing at the start from the OP:

It's a "pretty rare card." I infer that to mean a sub-25 print run auto'd. THAT is where the implications run deeper because to get a better auto, you'll probably have to pull from another similar-end product, also medium-to-low #'d, unless the player was just a crappy signer and EVERY auto runs off. I assume that card companies don't intentionally put junk autos on nice products if better ones are still available on the sticker sheet.

So from a potential fellow-chaser side of things, that's somebody else's opportunity to fill out a rainbow or PC hunt you're interfering with just because of a cosmetic issue--if it's such a big deal, wait for a better card to pop! If it's because the price is too good to pass up, then MAYBE THAT'S WHY--the auto isn't great!

I also recall seeing how some companies have done some photo documenting of low #'d cards before release to be able to verify legitimacy later on. You'd then mess with THEIR system to keep the hobby safer, PC item or not, because there's TWO discrepancies that could emerge at some point. If other people start doing the same, it defeats the purpose of the verification efforts.

Bottom Line: if you hate the auto on this card, pass for now and trust that karma will reward you for being a good collecting community member. It tends to work out like that!

Also, as for doing away with sticker-signed cards...some of us don't have luxury of our PC guys being a big deal enough to have stuff hard-signed or even have GU/patch cards printed, so stickers are the only option we get besides parallels. I'd take stickers over no-autos-at-all any day.

Jackg1980 · 03-09-2017, 02:46 PM

The solution is simple. Before the OP destroys the hobby and everyone's collection he needs to get a job a Panini. On Day 1 he can switch the sticker out then quit. BOOM! The world is saved.

TheFrenzy · 03-09-2017, 03:00 PM

Page 1 of this thread: Rational collectors

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Originally Posted by Tones

There is currently up for sale a pretty rare card that I would not mind grabbing but the auto is just terrible and running off the sticker in about 4 different spots. I am contemplating removing buying it and attempting to replace the sticker auto on the card, does anything have any experience doing so?

PS it is a select foil surface card

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Originally Posted by BSull83

If it's for his personal collection I don't see the issue with doing this. He's taking a card that had a sticker auto on it and replacing it with a sticker auto that he prefers.

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Originally Posted by Athey49

Making a pc card better for your liking shouldn't be a problem, as long as it stays his pc card. Who cares as long as it stays in his/her collection?

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Originally Posted by Chrisharber72

To me, there's good and bad in it.. yes, if ur never gonna sell it and it's a pc card you want to have a better auto then it kinda seems ok but at the same time.. ur gonna have to destroy one of that players auto cards in order to get a new sticker, that sucks for someone who may want that card. But hey, if you pay for em both,they're yours, do what you wish with em right...

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Originally Posted by Welker83

I do this quite often. I put them on my customs to make cards I want of players who don't have cards in the team uniform I want.

I have no issue with it if they are for personal use.

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Originally Posted by Corky

It is so odd that people are getting worked up over this. If the op owns an official card of a player with a crappy sticker autograph and he wants to replace the crappy sticker autograph using a better sticker autograph from another official card that the op owns of the same player from the same exact company he is not altering the card in any way. The card had a sticker autograph of player X, the card now has sticker autograph of player X and it is remaining in his collection.

This is nothing like pulling out a plain jersey relic and tossing in a S1CK MOJO!!!1111!! patch to sell it at a profit.

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Originally Posted by mhcook

I see it as the same as if the OP sent the card back to the manufacturer because the sticker auto was defective and they pull it off and replace it with a new sticker auto.

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Originally Posted by rman112

OP is catching flack for no reason. If he buys it, it's his card. Who cares? If he decides to move it down the road, all he has to do is fully disclose that he changed out the sticker.

After that, the crazy starts…

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

as long as you take a sharpie and write "altered signature" on the back

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Originally Posted by RogerGodahell

Agreed. If they write on the back altered with a sharpie that would be ok. The problem arises when person A moves the card to person B, C, D.

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

If you cant understand this I'm sorry, I can't tell you what morals to adhere to and most likely won't be able to explain what scruples are to you as well ....

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Originally Posted by pgisback

No, they seem very morally deplorable. Anyone going through these hoops to defend altering cards is most likely a shady person in real life.

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

shouldn't matter if its PC or not ... it just shouldn't be done at all is more of the point

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Originally Posted by pgisback

If you want to damage your own cards, more power to you. Announcing your intentions of shady practices to everyone is not the smartest thing to do.

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Originally Posted by chugga15

This debate boils down to: do you believe in a subjectivity or objectivity

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Originally Posted by phinzphan1372

Yup keep clinging to that property argument .... Guess you have nothing else ... It's not about that ...

SleeperCards · 03-09-2017, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Have I redeemed myself?

I didn't want to post in this thread, but this was too good

TheFrenzy · 03-09-2017, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SleeperCards

I didn't want to post in this thread, but this was too good

Looks like I'm heading for "Butt Wipe" status. Witness me.

TheFrenzy · 03-09-2017, 03:17 PM

phinzphan1372 · 03-09-2017, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

your a special kinda stupid aren't ya ..... you want to start a meme war with a graphic artist ..... bwahahahahahah ..... on second thought your not worthy ..... keep being a scumbag and keep condoning shady practices .... also please don't stop being a douche nozzle .... 3 things you seem to be good at

Grid · 03-09-2017, 03:55 PM

OP, just make sure you put the crappy sticker on the card you are switching autos with.

That way you can resell it and make back some of your money! Make sure you post in this thread after doing so, I know more than a few folks in here who's heads will explode.

HOFAutoRookies · 03-09-2017, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

Considering we're living in a hobby world where this exist:

And where players regularly have others sign their cards for them....

.....I think OP transferring a legit sticker auto to another legit sticker auto card is at least 98% acceptable and far from anything to raise a stink over, even as a buyer.

Is there a thread or anything on this? I've heard of it happening in the 90's with Bernie Williams or something.

03-09-2017, 02:33 PM	#92
montypython Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 180 mntrnto	While I respect the Libertarian approach--private property is private property--and understand the argument about the responsibility to the rest of the hobby, here is the thing at the start from the OP: It's a "pretty rare card." I infer that to mean a sub-25 print run auto'd. THAT is where the implications run deeper because to get a better auto, you'll probably have to pull from another similar-end product, also medium-to-low #'d, unless the player was just a crappy signer and EVERY auto runs off. I assume that card companies don't intentionally put junk autos on nice products if better ones are still available on the sticker sheet. So from a potential fellow-chaser side of things, that's somebody else's opportunity to fill out a rainbow or PC hunt you're interfering with just because of a cosmetic issue--if it's such a big deal, wait for a better card to pop! If it's because the price is too good to pass up, then MAYBE THAT'S WHY--the auto isn't great! I also recall seeing how some companies have done some photo documenting of low #'d cards before release to be able to verify legitimacy later on. You'd then mess with THEIR system to keep the hobby safer, PC item or not, because there's TWO discrepancies that could emerge at some point. If other people start doing the same, it defeats the purpose of the verification efforts. Bottom Line: if you hate the auto on this card, pass for now and trust that karma will reward you for being a good collecting community member. It tends to work out like that! Also, as for doing away with sticker-signed cards...some of us don't have luxury of our PC guys being a big deal enough to have stuff hard-signed or even have GU/patch cards printed, so stickers are the only option we get besides parallels. I'd take stickers over no-autos-at-all any day. __________________ Good Hunting! ------------------------------------------------------ EZEKIEL "ZIGGY" ANSAH, KYLE VAN NOY, BRONSON KAUFUSI, DANIEL SORENSEN, JAMAAL WILLIAMS (In 2017)

03-09-2017, 02:46 PM	#93
Jackg1980 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Texas Posts: 10,001 MadBreakers	The solution is simple. Before the OP destroys the hobby and everyone's collection he needs to get a job a Panini. On Day 1 he can switch the sticker out then quit. BOOM! The world is saved. __________________ Official Blowout 2010 Topp Magic Refractor Autograph set collector! Looking for Khalil Mack and Marvel Vibranium "I trade by common sense not book value" "No one makes me bleed my own blood" Last edited by Jackg1980; 03-09-2017 at 02:48 PM.

03-09-2017, 01:11 PM	#81
TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	Just waiting for Tones to pop back into his thread like:

03-09-2017, 02:07 PM	#88
phinzphan1372 Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Outlaw Nation, RI 401 Posts: 3,522	Yup keep clinging to that property argument .... Guess you have nothing else ... It's not about that ... But you have shown your self and I personally would never deal with you in a transaction .... Have fun!

03-09-2017, 02:23 PM	#89
chugga15 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 863	I understand the position of "its his/her private property". However, this type of situation presents an ethical dilemma. If you don't at least feel some uneasiness about altering cards, then I would never want to do business with you. I believe that it is wrong to alter any card. I dont want other people altering cards, so therefore I cannot alter cards. This belief does not change with different circumstances. It is a categorical imperative. This debate boils down to: do you believe in a subjectivity or objectivity

03-09-2017, 02:26 PM	#90
TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115	Dang. This guy is going to Heck so hard.... http://www.baseballcardvandals.com

03-09-2017, 03:17 PM	#97
TheFrenzy Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Texan in AZ Posts: 44,115

03-09-2017, 03:55 PM	#99
Grid Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago Posts: 13,379 Gridiron-Gladiators	OP, just make sure you put the crappy sticker on the card you are switching autos with. That way you can resell it and make back some of your money! Make sure you post in this thread after doing so, I know more than a few folks in here who's heads will explode.