Do you remember...1981?

Prenticles · 05-08-2017, 06:56 PM

One of the biggest court trials in this hobby took place...Fleer Corp. Vs. Topps Chewing Gum Inc. 1980.

This trial changed the hobby forever. Do you remember it and what do you think? Court link below

FLEER CORP. v. TOPPS CHEWING GUM, INC. | 501 F.Supp. 485 (1980) | Leagle.com.

AND NOW, to wit, this 10th day of July, 1980, in accordance with the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law entered in the above-captioned case on June 30, 1980, it is hereby Ordered as follows:

1. Defendant Topps Chewing Gum, Inc., is permanently enjoined from:

a. enforcing or threatening to enforce in any court or in any other manner the exclusivity clause in its form contract with major league baseball players;

b. entering into or seeking to enter into any contract with any major or minor league baseball player which reserves to Topps any exclusive right to sell that player's picture in any form or in combination with any product; Does this remind you of anything?

c. entering into, amending, or seeking to enter into or amend any contract with any major or minor league player so as to expand or enlarge the scope of the rights now held in its form contracts with major and minor league baseball players;

d. entering into any renewals of its form contracts with any major or minor league player for longer than two years at a time;

e. enforcing or threatening to enforce in any court or in any other manner the term in its form contracts with major and minor league players and/or with the Major League Baseball Players Association, reserving to Topps the right of first refusal as to the marketing of any product.

2. Defendant Major League Baseball Players Association shall:

a. give careful consideration to any applications it receives from persons or companies seeking licenses to market baseball cards;

b. before January 1, 1981, grant at least one license (under its group licensing program) to market a pocket-size baseball card product, to be sold alone or in combination with a low cost premium, in packages priced at 15 to 50 cents, which license shall include the right to use the name and picture of every member of the Major League Baseball Players Association who has signed a commercial authorization contract;

c. grant at least one group license (such as is described in paragraph 2b, supra.) to the Fleer Corporation, if the Fleer Corporation, before January 1, 1981, matches any final offer for a group license made by any person or company (in the event that no offers are received from persons or companies other than the Fleer Corporation, the Fleer Corporation shall nevertheless be granted such a license on whatever terms the Major League Baseball Players Association can negotiate under the circumstances);

d. consider granting as part of any group license granted under paragraph 2b, supra, the right to sell baseball cards alone (subject to any proceedings conducted under paragraph 2e, infra.)
e. advise the Court within ten days of the date of this Order whether the Major League Baseball Players Association will, under the terms of its commercial authorization contracts with its members, exercise the rights to consider applications for licenses, and to license any company to sell baseball cards alone or in combination with gum, candy or confection;

f. maintain at least one group license (such as is described in paragraph 2b, supra.) in effect for every baseball season in which the Major League Baseball Players Association conducts its group licensing program.

3. Defendant Major League Baseball Players Association is permanently enjoined from:

a. considering any revenue either it or its members derive from its royalty contract with Topps Chewing Gum, Inc. (trial exhibit P-1), in deciding what group licenses to grant under paragraph 2b, supra;

b. entering into any exclusive licensing agreement for the sale of baseball cards, except that it may grant exclusive licenses (exclusive in the sense that they may be the only ones of their kind issued by the Major League Baseball Players Association) to sell baseball cards with carefully and specifically described premiums in such a manner as not to vest in any company or companies the exclusive right to sell baseball cards with any general type of premium, including, but not limited to, bubble gum, chewing gum, candy or non-confectionary items.

c. entering into any contract or licensing agreement whether designated "exclusive" or otherwise, which would diminish any non-exclusive rights held by Topps Chewing Gum, Inc.

TarjetasBéisbol · 05-08-2017, 07:09 PM

I think this only solidified Topps place in the hobby because Fleer and Donruss are long forgotten. Sure, Fleer and Donruss had their run and maybe opened up the card market for a time period but Topps sure is putting out a crazy amount of sets now.

We went from this...

1980
Sets

1980
1980 Kellogg's
1980 O-Pee-Chee
1980 Topps
1980 Topps Burger King Phillies
1980 Topps Burger King Pitch, Hit, & Run
1980 Topps Pepsi
1980 Topps Super

To this...

2016
Sets

2016
2016 Bowman
2016 Bowman's Best
2016 Bowman Chrome
2016 Bowman Draft
2016 Bowman Inception
2016 Bowman NSCC
2016 Bowman Platinum
2016 Diamond Kings
2016 Donruss
2016 Donruss Optic
2016 Finest
2016 National Treasures
2016 Panini Elite Extra Edition
2016 Panini Flawless
2016 Panini Immaculate
2016 Panini Pantheon
2016 Panini Prime Cuts
2016 Stadium Club
2016 Topps 1951 NSCC
2016 Topps All-Star FanFest
2016 Topps Allen & Ginter
2016 Topps Archives
2016 Topps Archives 65th Anniversary
2016 Topps Archives Signature Series All-Star Edition
2016 Topps Archives Snapshots
2016 Topps Bunt
2016 Topps Chrome
2016 Topps Chrome Update
2016 Topps Dynasty
2016 Topps Five Star
2016 Topps Gold Label
2016 Topps Gypsy Queen
2016 Topps Heritage
2016 Topps Heritage Minor League
2016 Topps High Tek
2016 Topps Holiday
2016 Topps Industry Summit
2016 Topps Legacies
2016 Topps Marketside
2016 Topps Museum Collection
2016 Topps National Baseball Card Day
2016 Topps New Era
2016 Topps Opening Day
2016 Topps Pro Debut
2016 Topps Sapphire Chrome Factory Set
2016 Topps Series One
2016 Topps Series Two
2016 Topps Strata
2016 Topps The Mint
2016 Topps Tier One
2016 Topps Transcendent
2016 Topps Tribute
2016 Topps Update
2016 Triple Threads

jmscoggin · 05-08-2017, 07:11 PM

I was 5 so ... no, no I don't.

moosetequila · 05-08-2017, 07:11 PM

I don't remember much from the 80's...

ArsonCuff · 05-08-2017, 07:13 PM

I was not born yet. 1982 though, that was a year to remember.

dashcol · 05-08-2017, 07:19 PM

I am by no means a legal expert, and really don't understand why these things need to be written so confusing.

The way I understand this, the current Topps license is contrary to this. This never gives an end date to where MLBPA has to give rights to other manufacturers.

The only exclusive that I see that might be what they are using is they can sign exclusively with one company for MLBPA to "issue" cards. Where does it say that no one else can use team logos?

Again, this confuses me, can someone explain why another company can't use the images?

rats60 · 05-08-2017, 08:09 PM

I remember buying cheap paper thin 81 Donruss cards. They had the worst gum.

koal · 05-08-2017, 08:15 PM

i was so high on candy back then

TarjetasBéisbol · 05-08-2017, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I was 5 so ... no, no I don't.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArsonCuff

I was not born yet. 1982 though, that was a year to remember.

Stop showing off!

mfw13 · 05-08-2017, 11:02 PM

Love the 1981 Topps design with the team hats.....extremely puzzled that Topps has not used this design for Archives yet, especially since they've used the 1980 and 1982 designs twice....

base set · 05-08-2017, 11:14 PM

It was awesome. 3 sets were better than 1, no question.

Plus Fleer flubbed out the Error cards all over the place. Sometimes, the corrected cards had to be corrected, iirc. It had been only 2 years since the legendary Bump Wills Error - now every pack of Fleer might hold 2 Error cards at once! C'mon, I think that new box down at the Ben Franklin's is gonna have a Craig Nettles card in it, let's go!

cj828282 · 05-08-2017, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArsonCuff

I was not born yet. 1982 though, that was a year to remember.

You got that right!

goblue138 · 05-09-2017, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmscoggin

I was 5 so ... no, no I don't.

You're just a kid still. I was 7 in '81.

jmscoggin · 05-09-2017, 07:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by goblue138

You're just a kid still. I was 7 in '81.

Much respect grandpa.

Homerun · 05-09-2017, 07:20 AM

I was -17, so unfortunately, I don't remember this event.

base set · 05-09-2017, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dashcol

I am by no means a legal expert, and really don't understand why these things need to be written so confusing.

The way I understand this, the current Topps license is contrary to this. This never gives an end date to where MLBPA has to give rights to other manufacturers.

The only exclusive that I see that might be what they are using is they can sign exclusively with one company for MLBPA to "issue" cards. Where does it say that no one else can use team logos?

Again, this confuses me, can someone explain why another company can't use the images?

MLB and MLBPA are completely different. The way I understand it, Topps has a license from MLB to use the logos in Topps products. They sign separate agreements with players individually, and do so before the players are even in MLBPA.

Bob Loblaw · 05-09-2017, 08:43 AM

base_set basically has it.

This case deals with the MLBPA - - it prevents Topps from barring players from signing any other contracts. This is why there are major leaguers in Panini and Leaf products.

However, the deal that Topps has with MLB is completely different. Exclusive licensing from one company to another is something that happens all the time, and is absolutely not illegal. MLB has agreed to exclusively sell it's rights to Topps and has an agreement for the next 3 years for that. This is why UD was successfully sued by MLB, and eventually stopped printing baseball cards, as well as why Panini and Leaf don't use logos.

TCMA · 05-09-2017, 08:51 AM

Lets not forget that the first national distributed set to challenge Topps was issued by SSPC/TCMA in 1976. Of course, Topps sued SSPC (and my father) for multiple millions but this lawsuit laid the groundwork for Donruss and Fleer to make their move in 1981. Interestingly, TCMA then became the exclusive distributor of 1981 Donruss.

Americards · 05-09-2017, 09:06 AM

And 2016 Topps Now

Quote:

Originally Posted by TarjetasBéisbol

I think this only solidified Topps place in the hobby because Fleer and Donruss are long forgotten. Sure, Fleer and Donruss had their run and maybe opened up the card market for a time period but Topps sure is putting out a crazy amount of sets now.

We went from this...

1980
Sets

1980
1980 Kellogg's
1980 O-Pee-Chee
1980 Topps
1980 Topps Burger King Phillies
1980 Topps Burger King Pitch, Hit, & Run
1980 Topps Pepsi
1980 Topps Super

To this...

2016
Sets

2016
2016 Bowman
2016 Bowman's Best
2016 Bowman Chrome
2016 Bowman Draft
2016 Bowman Inception
2016 Bowman NSCC
2016 Bowman Platinum
2016 Diamond Kings
2016 Donruss
2016 Donruss Optic
2016 Finest
2016 National Treasures
2016 Panini Elite Extra Edition
2016 Panini Flawless
2016 Panini Immaculate
2016 Panini Pantheon
2016 Panini Prime Cuts
2016 Stadium Club
2016 Topps 1951 NSCC
2016 Topps All-Star FanFest
2016 Topps Allen & Ginter
2016 Topps Archives
2016 Topps Archives 65th Anniversary
2016 Topps Archives Signature Series All-Star Edition
2016 Topps Archives Snapshots
2016 Topps Bunt
2016 Topps Chrome
2016 Topps Chrome Update
2016 Topps Dynasty
2016 Topps Five Star
2016 Topps Gold Label
2016 Topps Gypsy Queen
2016 Topps Heritage
2016 Topps Heritage Minor League
2016 Topps High Tek
2016 Topps Holiday
2016 Topps Industry Summit
2016 Topps Legacies
2016 Topps Marketside
2016 Topps Museum Collection
2016 Topps National Baseball Card Day
2016 Topps New Era
2016 Topps Opening Day
2016 Topps Pro Debut
2016 Topps Sapphire Chrome Factory Set
2016 Topps Series One
2016 Topps Series Two
2016 Topps Strata
2016 Topps The Mint
2016 Topps Tier One
2016 Topps Transcendent
2016 Topps Tribute
2016 Topps Update
2016 Triple Threads

Bcwcardz · 05-09-2017, 09:14 AM

I just bought cards and didnt know the difference. Topps Donruss Fleer was all the same when you are 8. I just wanted Astros cards.

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smapdi · 05-09-2017, 09:15 AM

This still echoes today and is why Bowman is such a special product. Topps has always signed players individually for their card rights, no matter what their level, something the other card makers never got. Back when the RC logo was started, Topps and MLB/MLBPA reached a compromise to keep putting out cards of guys nowhere near the majors when other makers could not. Imagine if Topps had to follow the same rules, or other companies could do the same. Either way would have resulted in a very different hobby landscape.

I just got heavily into cards in 1980, when I turned 10. By winter 1980-1981 I was deeeep like only a 10-year-old can be. I still remember seeing the first issue of Baseball Cards magazine on the shelf at a grocery store in the spring of 1981, it was like a whole new world opened up. Not so much because of Fleer and Donruss, which I bought in almost equal amounts with Topps, but the whole hobby was so fascinating and there was so much to learn.

TCMA · 05-09-2017, 09:42 AM

Here's a question... what if fully licensed cards were available that were not the standard 2 1/2 x 3 1/2? Would you collect them?

Because in reality other manufacturers CAN make cards as long as they have the proper licensing and don't produce them in the standard 2 1/2 x 3 1/2 size. Postcard size for example would work. That's 3 1/2 x 5 1/2 or 4 x 6.

kyle121592 · 05-09-2017, 10:42 AM

'Member the 80's? 'Member?

ThoseBackPages · 05-09-2017, 11:27 AM

Sure do.

First full box of baseball cards i ever bought, 1981 Donruss.

Ten bucks at the local Teamo candy store. That was a lot of scratch for a 10 year old lol

Got a Mookie too!

fulltritty · 05-09-2017, 11:29 AM

It was my second year collecting baseball cards and my Dad bought me the entire Topps and Fleer sets. Too bad I sold them by 1987.

05-08-2017, 06:56 PM	#1
Prenticles Banned Join Date: Sep 2016 Location: Somewhere where you can get free shipping to the Continental US Posts: 1,513	Do you remember...1981? One of the biggest court trials in this hobby took place...Fleer Corp. Vs. Topps Chewing Gum Inc. 1980. This trial changed the hobby forever. Do you remember it and what do you think? Court link below FLEER CORP. v. TOPPS CHEWING GUM, INC. \| 501 F.Supp. 485 (1980) \| Leagle.com. AND NOW, to wit, this 10th day of July, 1980, in accordance with the Findings of Fact and Conclusions of Law entered in the above-captioned case on June 30, 1980, it is hereby Ordered as follows: 1. Defendant Topps Chewing Gum, Inc., is permanently enjoined from: a. enforcing or threatening to enforce in any court or in any other manner the exclusivity clause in its form contract with major league baseball players; b. entering into or seeking to enter into any contract with any major or minor league baseball player which reserves to Topps any exclusive right to sell that player's picture in any form or in combination with any product; Does this remind you of anything? c. entering into, amending, or seeking to enter into or amend any contract with any major or minor league player so as to expand or enlarge the scope of the rights now held in its form contracts with major and minor league baseball players; d. entering into any renewals of its form contracts with any major or minor league player for longer than two years at a time; e. enforcing or threatening to enforce in any court or in any other manner the term in its form contracts with major and minor league players and/or with the Major League Baseball Players Association, reserving to Topps the right of first refusal as to the marketing of any product. 2. Defendant Major League Baseball Players Association shall: a. give careful consideration to any applications it receives from persons or companies seeking licenses to market baseball cards; b. before January 1, 1981, grant at least one license (under its group licensing program) to market a pocket-size baseball card product, to be sold alone or in combination with a low cost premium, in packages priced at 15 to 50 cents, which license shall include the right to use the name and picture of every member of the Major League Baseball Players Association who has signed a commercial authorization contract; c. grant at least one group license (such as is described in paragraph 2b, supra.) to the Fleer Corporation, if the Fleer Corporation, before January 1, 1981, matches any final offer for a group license made by any person or company (in the event that no offers are received from persons or companies other than the Fleer Corporation, the Fleer Corporation shall nevertheless be granted such a license on whatever terms the Major League Baseball Players Association can negotiate under the circumstances); d. consider granting as part of any group license granted under paragraph 2b, supra, the right to sell baseball cards alone (subject to any proceedings conducted under paragraph 2e, infra.) e. advise the Court within ten days of the date of this Order whether the Major League Baseball Players Association will, under the terms of its commercial authorization contracts with its members, exercise the rights to consider applications for licenses, and to license any company to sell baseball cards alone or in combination with gum, candy or confection; f. maintain at least one group license (such as is described in paragraph 2b, supra.) in effect for every baseball season in which the Major League Baseball Players Association conducts its group licensing program. 3. Defendant Major League Baseball Players Association is permanently enjoined from: a. considering any revenue either it or its members derive from its royalty contract with Topps Chewing Gum, Inc. (trial exhibit P-1), in deciding what group licenses to grant under paragraph 2b, supra; b. entering into any exclusive licensing agreement for the sale of baseball cards, except that it may grant exclusive licenses (exclusive in the sense that they may be the only ones of their kind issued by the Major League Baseball Players Association) to sell baseball cards with carefully and specifically described premiums in such a manner as not to vest in any company or companies the exclusive right to sell baseball cards with any general type of premium, including, but not limited to, bubble gum, chewing gum, candy or non-confectionary items. c. entering into any contract or licensing agreement whether designated "exclusive" or otherwise, which would diminish any non-exclusive rights held by Topps Chewing Gum, Inc.

05-08-2017, 07:09 PM	#2
TarjetasBéisbol Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: NOVA Posts: 10,891	I think this only solidified Topps place in the hobby because Fleer and Donruss are long forgotten. Sure, Fleer and Donruss had their run and maybe opened up the card market for a time period but Topps sure is putting out a crazy amount of sets now. We went from this... 1980 Sets 1980 1980 Kellogg's 1980 O-Pee-Chee 1980 Topps 1980 Topps Burger King Phillies 1980 Topps Burger King Pitch, Hit, & Run 1980 Topps Pepsi 1980 Topps Super To this... 2016 Sets 2016 2016 Bowman 2016 Bowman's Best 2016 Bowman Chrome 2016 Bowman Draft 2016 Bowman Inception 2016 Bowman NSCC 2016 Bowman Platinum 2016 Diamond Kings 2016 Donruss 2016 Donruss Optic 2016 Finest 2016 National Treasures 2016 Panini Elite Extra Edition 2016 Panini Flawless 2016 Panini Immaculate 2016 Panini Pantheon 2016 Panini Prime Cuts 2016 Stadium Club 2016 Topps 1951 NSCC 2016 Topps All-Star FanFest 2016 Topps Allen & Ginter 2016 Topps Archives 2016 Topps Archives 65th Anniversary 2016 Topps Archives Signature Series All-Star Edition 2016 Topps Archives Snapshots 2016 Topps Bunt 2016 Topps Chrome 2016 Topps Chrome Update 2016 Topps Dynasty 2016 Topps Five Star 2016 Topps Gold Label 2016 Topps Gypsy Queen 2016 Topps Heritage 2016 Topps Heritage Minor League 2016 Topps High Tek 2016 Topps Holiday 2016 Topps Industry Summit 2016 Topps Legacies 2016 Topps Marketside 2016 Topps Museum Collection 2016 Topps National Baseball Card Day 2016 Topps New Era 2016 Topps Opening Day 2016 Topps Pro Debut 2016 Topps Sapphire Chrome Factory Set 2016 Topps Series One 2016 Topps Series Two 2016 Topps Strata 2016 Topps The Mint 2016 Topps Tier One 2016 Topps Transcendent 2016 Topps Tribute 2016 Topps Update 2016 Triple Threads __________________ De oppresso liber - RLTW "The Mexicans taught me that trick", "Let me be very clear, crystal clear"

05-08-2017, 07:11 PM	#3
jmscoggin Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: TX Posts: 21,444 jmscoggin jmscoggin	I was 5 so ... no, no I don't. __________________ https://www.hofautographcollector.com/

05-08-2017, 07:19 PM	#6
dashcol Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: It's complicated Posts: 7,710	I am by no means a legal expert, and really don't understand why these things need to be written so confusing. The way I understand this, the current Topps license is contrary to this. This never gives an end date to where MLBPA has to give rights to other manufacturers. The only exclusive that I see that might be what they are using is they can sign exclusively with one company for MLBPA to "issue" cards. Where does it say that no one else can use team logos? Again, this confuses me, can someone explain why another company can't use the images? __________________ “A life is not important except in the impact it has on other lives.” Jackie Robinson “Never let your head hang down. Never give up and sit down and grieve. Find another way.” Satchel Paige.

05-09-2017, 07:20 AM	#15
Homerun Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Illinois Posts: 12,798 perfectgamesportscards1 Homerunsportscards	I was -17, so unfortunately, I don't remember this event. __________________ Collector of White Sox autographs and blue refractors. Blowout Redrafter's Dynasty Fantasy League Inaugural World Series Champion!

05-08-2017, 07:11 PM	#4
moosetequila Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Cali Posts: 9,547	I don't remember much from the 80's...

05-08-2017, 07:13 PM	#5
ArsonCuff Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Texas Posts: 2,456 arsoncuff	I was not born yet. 1982 though, that was a year to remember.

05-08-2017, 08:09 PM	#7
rats60 Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 9,957	I remember buying cheap paper thin 81 Donruss cards. They had the worst gum.

05-08-2017, 08:15 PM	#8
koal Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 1,851	i was so high on candy back then

05-08-2017, 11:02 PM	#10
mfw13 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 17,307	Love the 1981 Topps design with the team hats.....extremely puzzled that Topps has not used this design for Archives yet, especially since they've used the 1980 and 1982 designs twice....

05-08-2017, 11:14 PM	#11
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,421	It was awesome. 3 sets were better than 1, no question. Plus Fleer flubbed out the Error cards all over the place. Sometimes, the corrected cards had to be corrected, iirc. It had been only 2 years since the legendary Bump Wills Error - now every pack of Fleer might hold 2 Error cards at once! C'mon, I think that new box down at the Ben Franklin's is gonna have a Craig Nettles card in it, let's go!

05-09-2017, 08:43 AM	#17
Bob Loblaw Banned Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Spring Training Paradise, FL Posts: 13,050	base_set basically has it. This case deals with the MLBPA - - it prevents Topps from barring players from signing any other contracts. This is why there are major leaguers in Panini and Leaf products. However, the deal that Topps has with MLB is completely different. Exclusive licensing from one company to another is something that happens all the time, and is absolutely not illegal. MLB has agreed to exclusively sell it's rights to Topps and has an agreement for the next 3 years for that. This is why UD was successfully sued by MLB, and eventually stopped printing baseball cards, as well as why Panini and Leaf don't use logos.

05-09-2017, 08:51 AM	#18
TCMA Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 97 tcmaltd	Lets not forget that the first national distributed set to challenge Topps was issued by SSPC/TCMA in 1976. Of course, Topps sued SSPC (and my father) for multiple millions but this lawsuit laid the groundwork for Donruss and Fleer to make their move in 1981. Interestingly, TCMA then became the exclusive distributor of 1981 Donruss.

05-09-2017, 09:14 AM	#20
Bcwcardz Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Location: West coast Posts: 1,389	I just bought cards and didnt know the difference. Topps Donruss Fleer was all the same when you are 8. I just wanted Astros cards. Sent from my SM-T350 using Tapatalk

05-09-2017, 09:15 AM	#21
smapdi Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 1,764 piledriver1	This still echoes today and is why Bowman is such a special product. Topps has always signed players individually for their card rights, no matter what their level, something the other card makers never got. Back when the RC logo was started, Topps and MLB/MLBPA reached a compromise to keep putting out cards of guys nowhere near the majors when other makers could not. Imagine if Topps had to follow the same rules, or other companies could do the same. Either way would have resulted in a very different hobby landscape. I just got heavily into cards in 1980, when I turned 10. By winter 1980-1981 I was deeeep like only a 10-year-old can be. I still remember seeing the first issue of Baseball Cards magazine on the shelf at a grocery store in the spring of 1981, it was like a whole new world opened up. Not so much because of Fleer and Donruss, which I bought in almost equal amounts with Topps, but the whole hobby was so fascinating and there was so much to learn. Last edited by smapdi; 05-09-2017 at 09:18 AM.

05-09-2017, 09:42 AM	#22
TCMA Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Posts: 97 tcmaltd	Here's a question... what if fully licensed cards were available that were not the standard 2 1/2 x 3 1/2? Would you collect them? Because in reality other manufacturers CAN make cards as long as they have the proper licensing and don't produce them in the standard 2 1/2 x 3 1/2 size. Postcard size for example would work. That's 3 1/2 x 5 1/2 or 4 x 6.

05-09-2017, 10:42 AM	#23
kyle121592 Member Join Date: May 2010 Location: United States Posts: 3,407	'Member the 80's? 'Member?

05-09-2017, 11:27 AM	#24
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,657 ThoseBackPages	Sure do. First full box of baseball cards i ever bought, 1981 Donruss. Ten bucks at the local Teamo candy store. That was a lot of scratch for a 10 year old lol Got a Mookie too! __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

05-09-2017, 11:29 AM	#25
fulltritty Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: King George, VA Posts: 77,272	It was my second year collecting baseball cards and my Dad bought me the entire Topps and Fleer sets. Too bad I sold them by 1987.