GMA grading

[Pilcrow]

Originally Posted by Reverend Ghost

Lol, ok, you're opening entirely different discussions now. Now we're talking about return on a box of cards.

Lol you were talking the money side of grading. I'm talking reliability. Everything else in between is everyone else's input and me spending to much time replying to it.

I was hoping you'd do the math so I could get a laugh from it.

[tonedef2oo8]

So we are just going to ignore the proof posted? It literally means either this company graded a piece of printer paper as a signed card OR they put the paper in their holder to rip someone off.

So which was it?

What's reliable about this exactly?

[ThoseBackPages]

PSA is now 26 years old, PCGS is now over 30 years old.

But dont worry, they're "no good"

[Reverend Ghost]

Originally Posted by Pilcrow

Lol you were talking the money side of grading. I'm talking reliability. Everything else in between is everyone else's input and me spending to much time replying to it.



I was hoping you'd do the math so I could get a laugh from it.

Uh huh. I'm sure you were. Enjoy your stay, chief.

[Pilcrow]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

PSA is now 26 years old, PCGS is now over 30 years old.

But dont worry, they're "no good"

My bad, I read their "about" section on their site and it said 1998.. But I didn't realize at the time it was the PSA/DNA ward of the company.

Thing I find kind of funny about PSA, They graded over 20million cards, but only have 120,000 in their registry and only 1k in their psa/dna registry. I know the registry came later on. But don't you think, if you graded over a million cards. You would of came up with this idea sooner. Instead of waiting until 20million cards have been graded?

[exitmusicblue]

Where are the animated gifs?? Where's da good stuff?

[exitmusicblue]

When I see "GMA" emblazoned on a slab

[Pilcrow]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

So we are just going to ignore the proof posted? It literally means either this company graded a piece of printer paper as a signed card OR they put the paper in their holder to rip someone off.

So which was it?

What's reliable about this exactly?

I think GMA grades anything. Its not really the subject, but the grade of the stock of paper. I don't think they sell their cards.
If I sent them a pack of matches and said "grade this". They'll grade it I'm sure. They will grade the paper/cardboard on the matches. if they see no surface imperfections, no bent corners ect. It will be a grade 10.
If someone turns around and sells it.. There is a sucker born everyday.

There have been a lot of psa cards that were fakes as well as psa even manipulating cards to give them worse grades. But that's ok?
I could write a book of negatives on psa.. But that red label sums it up. lol

[ThoseBackPages]

whats wrong with the "red label"?

[rman112]

Just sent in the Longoria Superfractor to GMA.. wish me luck!

[houdini]

Originally Posted by Gatorsmld

Pilcrow and I have had several conversations. At no time did he ever ask me to send cards into GMA. Again, we had a conversation where each of us spoke about our opinions of that company. I too am lost as to why this is causing such a firestorm. People have differing opinions. I promise you, that's OK.

It's because he comes across as someone creating a fake "discussion" thread just to spam some scammer company.

Maybe that isn't what he was intending to do, but it absolutely reads that way.

You could replace "GMA" with "Authentic $29 NFL Jerseys" or "Legit Passport sales" and the thread would read the same way.

Why buy a PSA 1 1952 Mantle when the GMA 10 costs pennies and is just as legit? Why spend 8 years to get your doctorate when you can print one off at home? Why buy a $100-$200 Trout jersey when there are hundreds of sites selling the same thing for $29.99 dlvd?

[charnick]

3 quick things...

1) the GMA slab is NOT nearly the same as a PSA slab, there are a whole slew of differences in both the plastic and the quality of the flip. Having a sonic sealer does NOT equal having the same slab. So OP is wrong about that, he's mentioned it on several occasions.

2) OP said he still hadn't read any horror stories in this thread, even though there was a linked post to somone who said they basically got a color copy inside the slab. So strike 2.

3) GMA's own web site mentions they don't even guarantee their authentication?!?!? Why, even to slab your own PC, would you ever put your trust in a company that's basically admitting they might not be able to tell a real card from a printed out high res scan? That's AWFUL!!!

Dropped third strike, throw to first...
4) We all often complain about BGS's extra $2 per auto charge... well, these guys charge $2.50 for a card, but $10 for an auto'ed card! $7.50 an auto?!? Holy moly, YOU'RE OUT!!!

[NickM]

Originally Posted by Pilcrow

I think GMA grades anything. Its not really the subject, but the grade of the stock of paper. I don't think they sell their cards.
If I sent them a pack of matches and said "grade this". They'll grade it I'm sure. They will grade the paper/cardboard on the matches. if they see no surface imperfections, no bent corners ect. It will be a grade 10.
If someone turns around and sells it.. There is a sucker born everyday.

There have been a lot of psa cards that were fakes as well as psa even manipulating cards to give them worse grades. But that's ok?
I could write a book of negatives on psa.. But that red label sums it up. lol

You could write a book of negatives on PSA? Bwahahahahaha.
Because you're the same supergenius who looks at their set registry, sees 120000 SETS that people have registered, and decides there are 120000 cards on their registry.

I don't have horror stories about being burned buying GMA cards for the same reason I don't have horror stories about eating gas station sushi. I'm not dumb enough to do that.

[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by NickM

You could write a book of negatives on PSA? Bwahahahahaha.
Because you're the same supergenius who looks at their set registry, sees 120000 SETS that people have registered, and decides there are 120000 cards on their registry.

I don't have horror stories about being burned buying GMA cards for the same reason I don't have horror stories about eating gas station sushi. I'm not dumb enough to do that.

4seamcollect is going to need definitive concrete proof that gas station sushi is a bad idea.

[Big35Hurt]

Originally Posted by exitmusicblue

Pilcrow, it is far too late to salvage your credibility on these boards, but kudos for remaining calm.

With respect to protective holders to encase PC items that don't deserve grading, we would not use GMA. We'd use magnetic one-touches, not only because they are cheaper than subbing to GMA, but because frankly, the very word GMA on a case burns into our retinas in unholy fashion.

This and there is no risk of shipping cards back and forth, or some dude eating a box of twinkies in his basement smearing the filling all over your prized cards or dropping a handful of raw cards due to greasy fingers.

There is no valid reason to spend $2.50 plus shipping to send your cards into GMA just for protection. That kind of leaves the only other reason for the OP's post is free advertising for GMA. I will give him credit for bringing them to light, however, I don't think the negative publicity was his goal...lol.

[Reverend Ghost]

Mascot autos and unimpressed girlfriends.

[Pilcrow]

Originally Posted by houdini

It's because he comes across as someone creating a fake "discussion" thread just to spam some scammer company.

Maybe that isn't what he was intending to do, but it absolutely reads that way.

You could replace "GMA" with "Authentic $29 NFL Jerseys" or "Legit Passport sales" and the thread would read the same way.

Why buy a PSA 1 1952 Mantle when the GMA 10 costs pennies and is just as legit? Why spend 8 years to get your doctorate when you can print one off at home? Why buy a $100-$200 Trout jersey when there are hundreds of sites selling the same thing for $29.99 dlvd?

Not at all, I was just wanting to know if anybody used the company.. But everyone seems to be more worried about where and who is making it then if the business is legit, safe ect.

Those other questions you'll have to answer yourself. Me personally, I'd pick up that gma grade mantle, for pennies and have bgs grade it. You'd be dumb not to if you know the 10 is legit cause most then likely, the grade will come back an 8 or 9 bgs.

[Reverend Ghost]

A business is only as good as it's employees. If the employees aren't credible then it is safe to say the business isn't either.

You don't know that GMA 10 is legit because you don't know if it is counterfeit because GMA doesn't guarantee their authentication. It's just a guy claiming to have an eye for grading and a slab press.

[Pilcrow]

Originally Posted by Big35Hurt

This and there is no risk of shipping cards back and forth, or some dude eating a box of twinkies in his basement smearing the filling all over your prized cards or dropping a handful of raw cards due to greasy fingers.

There is no valid reason to spend $2.50 plus shipping to send your cards into GMA just for protection. That kind of leaves the only other reason for the OP's post is free advertising for GMA. I will give him credit for bringing them to light, however, I don't think the negative publicity was his goal...lol.

That was the point of this topic. Is there a risk using gma? will my cards return ect. The only points you guys have made is it's ran out of a guys house and you think he is some fat, over weight slob that is mishandling the cards.. Without any proof.

Now I'm curious as to what PSA graders look like. I can't find images of them. Have any?

I don't care about gma grading.. I'm not advertising them. If you know another $2.50 slabbing company, please, let me know. Cause I'll ask the same question about them.

My valid reason, as stated many times, I want them slabbed without spending hundreds of dollars to do it for 10 cards. Cause frankly, these low end cards, I could careless about the grade. I just want them better protected so they don't receive the buttery goodness on my sausage links, or get dinged up corners cause they slid out of my greasy palms. If PSA would do it for $2.50. I'd send it to them, as long as they don't put that ugly label in the slab.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by Pilcrow

I think GMA grades anything. Its not really the subject, but the grade of the stock of paper. I don't think they sell their cards.
If I sent them a pack of matches and said "grade this". They'll grade it I'm sure. They will grade the paper/cardboard on the matches. if they see no surface imperfections, no bent corners ect. It will be a grade 10.
If someone turns around and sells it.. There is a sucker born everyday.

There have been a lot of psa cards that were fakes as well as psa even manipulating cards to give them worse grades. But that's ok?
I could write a book of negatives on psa.. But that red label sums it up. lol

You went from asking about a company you don't know to telling us how they grade the way they do. And making excuses on why they graded a forgery. Cool beans nothing to see here move on all

[Pilcrow]

Originally Posted by Reverend Ghost

A business is only as good as it's employees. If the employees aren't credible then it is safe to say the business isn't either.

You don't know that GMA 10 is legit because you don't know if it is counterfeit because GMA doesn't guarantee their authentication. It's just a guy claiming to have an eye for grading and a slab press.

lol his statement he said it was legit. Not "is it or isn't it legit". This wasn't the cause for concern.

I'm not buying anything gma.. This isn't a buying topic or a for profit topic.

I've ran my own business out of my basement for the past 14 years. I guess I'm no good at what I do even though I've sold countless pieces world wide, had my work published in books and magazines. But since I do it out of my house, there is no credibility?

There isn't a special gift to card grading. I could grade your card right now, send it to any grading company and I bet I would be within .5 of the grade.

[Pilcrow]

Originally Posted by tonedef2oo8

You went from asking about a company you don't know to telling us how they grade the way they do. And making excuses on why they graded a forgery. Cool beans nothing to see here move on all

People are coming up with other topics, I'm just responding, having a conversation. No excuses.. I don't think what gma done is right, same with what I've heard about psa or bgs. My only concern is, can I get my card slabbed by gma and is it safe. Then all these other topics came up, not answering this one question, cause none of these guys responding has used their service. They are concerned about the company, just as I am. But no valid reasons why I shouldn't use their service.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by Pilcrow

Not at all, I was just wanting to know if anybody used the company.. But everyone seems to be more worried about where and who is making it then if the business is legit, safe ect.

Those other questions you'll have to answer yourself. Me personally, I'd pick up that gma grade mantle, for pennies and have bgs grade it. You'd be dumb not to if you know the 10 is legit cause most then likely, the grade will come back an 8 or 9 bgs.

You should pick up that GMA graded printer run off auto they had. Bust it out of the case and ship it to BGS/PSA where they will tell you that it was nothing but a color scanned photocopy. Now you're hundreds of dollars. What then?

[Reverend Ghost]

Originally Posted by Pilcrow

lol his statement he said it was legit. Not "is it or isn't it legit". This wasn't the cause for concern.



I'm not buying anything gma.. This isn't a buying topic or a for profit topic.



I've ran my own business out of my basement for the past 14 years. I guess I'm no good at what I do even though I've sold countless pieces world wide, had my work published in books and magazines. But since I do it out of my house, there is no credibility?



There isn't a special gift to card grading. I could grade your card right now, send it to any grading company and I bet I would be within .5 of the grade.

You're comparing apples to cement trucks.

[Pilcrow]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

You should pick up that GMA graded printer run off auto they had. Bust it out of the case and ship it to BGS/PSA where they will tell you that it was nothing but a color scanned photocopy. Now you're hundreds of dollars. What then?

If the item was for pennies. As stated, If I was interested in it. I'd have a crack at it. If I broke the case, I'd tell if it was a photo copy or a real one. If I couldn't though. I'd test it out. If I was wrong, then I'm out bgs fees and shipping. I'd be the sucker for the day. But what if I wasn't and the card was legit. What then?