Shaq does not sign his Panini cards

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by pnft17

Conspiracy theories are always funny haha. Small
Variations in guys signing thousands of autos is normal

Seriously??
The end of the Shaq and the O are both wrong, and only on Panini cards between certain times. He clearly got someone else to sign them and you're laughing it off as a conspiracy? You're clearly oblivious.

[shaqfan2]

Originally Posted by dmntakeover

I think that it's unlikely that a company as big as Panini would let this slide under the radar, but it is something to be considered.

It would be extremely disappointing.

I will say that in different situations, that even my own signature has its own variations based on if I'm tired, or at a weird angle, sitting vs standing, in a rush, etc etc.

So the variations could just be from something simple as he's on his hundredth auto in a row, or whatever.

Anyways, still interesting to consider.

Originally Posted by pnft17

Conspiracy theories are always funny haha. Small
Variations in guys signing thousands of autos is normal

His auto from the 1990s to 2012 (Panini) basically did not change much and then all of a sudden from 2013-2016 it changed quite a bit before he did the All Star game signings this year where the signature looks like the 1990s-2012 signature again. I get that there is variance between some guys' signatures (you can tell from a lot of cheaper base Prizm autos with variances between thickness and size of the auto and you can tell where they may have gotten tired while signing stickers) and sometimes they get help from friends to autograph all the stickers or cards but as far as Shaq's autos go, they are extremely suspect for the last few years till now.

[the27guy]

Panini,

At nearly 20,000 views and 250 replies, It's time to address this situation. The facts presented here feel fairly conclusive to many knowledagable collectors. If Mr O'Neal has misrepresented his autographs to you historically, then it is up to you to make collectors whole. "Whole" is going to be difficult to determine - but we're past the "hope this gets swept under the rug" stage. This doesn't appear to be going away.

[shaqfan2]

The reason why he was making the face is that he was caught red handed, lol.

[tanana]

To add to my last post, I asked Steiner a few more questions and sent them a link to this thread,

This reply just contradicts the last reply,



I think both Steiner & Panini need to address this. They both authenticate his autos!

[crazymj]

Originally Posted by tanana

To add to my last post, I asked Steiner a few more questions and sent them a link to this thread,

This reply just contradicts the last reply,



I think both Steiner & Panini need to address this. They both authenticate his autos!

lol what? so they do sell items from "other" reputable companies. Who are these reputable companies?

[tanana]

I also sent Shaq a message on Instagram, but I'm sure it doesn't get through. Still I tried

[crazymj]

Originally Posted by tanana

I also sent Shaq a message on Instagram, but I'm sure it doesn't get through. Still I tried

Damn, i didn't read into this thread that much, i wish i did, i could have printed some of this out and asked him in person today

[duron]

Just the idea of both his autos and jerseys being fake on the very same card is pure comedy.

And it could be common.

Lol.

Think any PR people there are even slightly concerned? I mean, if they've dodged 100% transparency about the authenticity of their jerseys, surely they could deal with this as long as it's kind of quiet.

I'd imagine if his pc base was as big as someone like MJ, Lebron, or Kobe this would be unhushable.

May this thread reach 100,000 views.

[MacIrish82]

My buddy submitted a Panini, "Certified" Shaq auto at the Chicago show last weekend to be RCR'd. He picked up his submission, and the card was not graded. He asked BGS why was it not graded, and was told they did not believe the auto was authentic. Obviously he was shocked as it had all the guarantees from Panini on the back of the card that it was authentic. He has been in talks with David Sharp about what happened, but I will link him to this thread so he can chime in since he is a member here.

[jj2]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Panini,

At nearly 20,000 views and 250 replies, It's time to address this situation. The facts presented here feel fairly conclusive to many knowledagable collectors. If Mr O'Neal has misrepresented his autographs to you historically, then it is up to you to make collectors whole. "Whole" is going to be difficult to determine - but we're past the "hope this gets swept under the rug" stage. This doesn't appear to be going away.

I think having Shaq sign his autos in front of them might be their way of trying to address it. Doesn't fix what's already been done, of course.

[tanana]

Originally Posted by crazymj

Damn, i didn't read into this thread that much, i wish i did, i could have printed some of this out and asked him in person today

Haha I would of got star struck and got lost for words

[rodmanmartinez]

Originally Posted by jj2

I think having Shaq sign his autos in front of them might be their way of trying to address it. Doesn't fix what's already been done, of course.

Just look at his face, his obviously upset he got caught, and has to sign himself now.


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[Rareairx23]

Originally Posted by MacIrish82

My buddy submitted a Panini, "Certified" Shaq auto at the Chicago show last weekend to be RCR'd. He picked up his submission, and the card was not graded. He asked BGS why was it not graded, and was told they did not believe the auto was authentic. Obviously he was shocked as it had all the guarantees from Panini on the back of the card that it was authentic. He has been in talks with David Sharp about what happened, but I will link him to this thread so he can chime in since he is a member here.

This is interesting, because there are plenty of shaq panini autos that have been graded

[tanana]

Originally Posted by Rareairx23

This is interesting, because there are plenty of shaq panini autos that have been graded

I didn't think Beckett authenticated the auto, just graded them? Only JSA authenticate the autos

[mhcook]

Originally Posted by tanana

I didn't think Beckett authenticated the auto, just graded them? Only JSA authenticate the autos

Beckett does not authenticate the auto when you submit it for grading. However, there are certain known problems that they will not grade without authentication including certain years of Topps Rookie Premier, unnumbered under armor autos, pre 2002 (I maybe completely off on the year), and others.

[shaqfan2]

Might just have been whoever was doing the RCR that was like "That is a fake".

[rimshaqer34]

Well, this is just what I have in mind, the debate of this won't stop anytime soon.

For me personally, it won't stop me acquiring Shaq's autograph cards though; the thing is I'm happy about it.

On the previous replies it was noted that there never will be a 100% assurance on who's signing what at a certain time. Maybe I'm ignorant about it, but as long I'm happy I still buy them Paninis...

Just my 2 cents...

[77ncaachamps]

I scrolled through most of the pages, but I wonder if sometimes we overthink the autos.

I understand and appreciate the collectors on the board who are vigilant to acknowledge and share their findings with others.

But I think about our own signatures: on receipts, on checks, on student work needing parent signatures...

Are we expecting perfection each time from an athlete who has to sign 100s of cards in pretty much one sitting?

[Jin]

Originally Posted by 77ncaachamps

I scrolled through most of the pages, but I wonder if sometimes we overthink the autos.

I understand and appreciate the collectors on the board who are vigilant to acknowledge and share their findings with others.

But I think about our own signatures: on receipts, on checks, on student work needing parent signatures...

Are we expecting perfection each time from an athlete who has to sign 100s of cards in pretty much one sitting?

Normally I would agree with you but in this case it's the forgery seems to be too obvious. It's not even the fact that his signature changed / progressed normally through time, it's that his signature abruptly changed in the past 5-ish years and suddenly reverted back to his previous signature with current products. Add to the fact that Shaq was known for having his dad(?) forge his signatures already and we have a pretty strong case.

[jmscoggin]

Originally Posted by 77ncaachamps

I scrolled through most of the pages, but I wonder if sometimes we overthink the autos.

I understand and appreciate the collectors on the board who are vigilant to acknowledge and share their findings with others.

But I think about our own signatures: on receipts, on checks, on student work needing parent signatures...

Are we expecting perfection each time from an athlete who has to sign 100s of cards in pretty much one sitting?

Huge difference between accepting perfection or expecting authenticity. I don't understand your premise at all. How is wanting an item that I pay a lot of money for to be genuine not something you comprehend?

[Chain]

Panini is replacing autographs found to not have been signed by the player:

https://blog.paniniamerica.net/2017/...ey-autographs/

Hopefully, they would also do something for owners of their "Shaq" autos.

[duron]

oh hai Panini

[rman112]

Originally Posted by duron

oh hai Panini

Why the bump? Anything new on this?

[hairyangryfella]

Originally Posted by rman112

Why the bump? Anything new on this?

Somebody recently received a redemption and it's still the old/fake sig, despite them showing a signing session with him as posted above.

Makes me nervous as I have three pending...