Aaron Rodgers on Kaepernick

[SethMurphy]

Nothing drives me nuts more than W-L record for a starting QB in football. Because Kaepernick is totally to blame for the 49ers defense not stopping the opponent...

so while "he" was 3-16 in those two seasons, yes his 59% completion percentage isn't good, he also had 20 passing touchdowns to just 9 interceptions, adding another 3 rushing touchdowns on over 700 yards in those games. Heck in 2016 he had a QB rating over 90.

But let's put all the blame on him, the 2016 49ers defense was 32nd in the league in points allowed, with 480 or 30 per game. He would have to be superhuman to have a winning record with that defense. 32nd in run defense, 32nd in total yards as well.

In 2016, do any of you know how many teams scored more than 480 points in the season, 1 - Atlanta (540). That's it. Only two more teams even crossed 440. A ton of QBs would have had losing records with that defense.

He also had 3 different offensive coordinators in the last three seasons, but no one mentions how damaging that is for a quarterback who is still learning and growing.


Everyone wants to say he is an awful quarterback, terrible, doesn't belong in the league. But that's just a cop out of an excuse.



Josh McCown is going to start for the Jets. He has a career completion percentage of 59.1, and an 18-42 W-L record for those of you who want to use that. 79 TD, 69 INT, 8 rush TDs. Give me a non-protest, non-race related reason he is a better option than Kaepernick who at least offers the chance of improvement and growth, explosive plays on offense.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by SethMurphy

Give me a non-protest, non-race related reason he is a better option than Kaepernick who at least offers the chance of improvement and growth, explosive plays on offense.

Did you think that MAYBE, just MAYBE he's asking for too much money? I'm sure he's got plenty of opportunities as a backup but he wants too much money.

Just my .02

[norskarv]

Originally Posted by thenwhatjk

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...P=share_btn_fb

Stick to sprots u libtard cucktard

Nice... A Steve Bannon impression in response to Aaron Rodger's defense of racial equality.

Tell us how do you really feel!?

[Grid]

"or any of my team-mates have talked to me about"
"But I know it’s a real thing my black team-mates have to deal with"
"Rodgers was also asked his college team-mate and former"

No clue why it bothers me so much, but why are they hyphenating teammate?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/teammate

[codered]

Originally Posted by majestik101

I sure as hell hope so

Kaepernick can take a flying leap as far as I'm concerned. He's an awful QB, and also bad for the league. Move to Canada and play up there. Heck, they welcomed Art Briles briefly. He should fit right in with our neighbors to the north.

No, he was hired by one owner and within 12 hours fans of the CFL (mostly all Canadians) had made such an uproar that the commissioner stepped in and said no dice. You're twisting the situation.

[SethMurphy]

Originally Posted by jcardstore

Did you think that MAYBE, just MAYBE he's asking for too much money? I'm sure he's got plenty of opportunities as a backup but he wants too much money.

Just my .02

I agree with this part of it, but rarely is the argument that he is a good enough player who wants too much money, the argument is he's an awful player who wants too much money, which just isn't true

[HBMC]

Originally Posted by Grid

"or any of my team-mates have talked to me about"
"But I know it’s a real thing my black team-mates have to deal with"
"Rodgers was also asked his college team-mate and former"

No clue why it bothers me so much, but why are they hyphenating teammate?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/teammate

Writing is a dead art.

[bubbs11]

Originally Posted by SethMurphy

Give me a non-protest, non-race related reason he is a better option than Kaepernick who at least offers the chance of improvement and growth, explosive plays on offense.

Im going to use the Jets as your model here. The Jets are going to be horrible. Kaep is an improvement over the McCown, but I doubt he'd be enough of an upgrade to make the Jets a contender.

So if I'm someone important in the Jets front office, 2017 is a lost season. Do I pay someone 6 Mil to take (hopefully) last and then I can draft the QB of the future (assuming Darnold is the 2nd coming)? Or do I try and bring in someone who walked away from 14.5 mil to test the market?

I think other teams need a better backup situation, but if you are a fan of a team with a questionable starting QB, you and I both know the most popular person in town is the backup. And ask yourself if that is what you want your season to be.

Just my thoughts

[TheFrenzy]

"OMG! Now I hate Aaron Rodgers!"

- a disturbingly large number of people who claim to love free speech.

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

"OMG! Now I hate Aaron Rodgers!"

- a disturbingly large number of people who claim to love free speech.

Wouldn't that fall under our free speech?

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

"OMG! Now I hate Aaron Rodgers!"

- a disturbingly large number of people who claim to love free speech.

Methinks that MAYBE, just maybe, the OP is the only one who thinks this way.

But please continue to paint with your extra large brush.

[Carrbeaz]

It's pretty interesting. Before any politics became involved regarding Kaepernick. Everyone here pretty much agreed that he was a limited quarterback and only fit into a very specific system.

Now suddenly there are groups of people singing his praises after politics became involved.

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by Carrbeaz

It's pretty interesting. Before any politics became involved regarding Kaepernick. Everyone here pretty much agreed that he was a limited quarterback and only fit into a very specific system.

Now suddenly there are groups of people singing his praises after politics became involved.

The media has made him out to be this mega-superstar QB who can't get a job because all NFL owners are horribly racist. Anyone who doesn't agree is also racist. Classic media spin

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by fungi2510

He may not be a great QB, but he is better than at least a 1/3 of the starting QBs this year. There is stuff that is going on. I know that this board is not the place to discuss what is truly going on here. We have been over it again and again. The kneeling for the anthem is just a convenient way to hate on the dude, because he does not fit your view of what a QB should be.

kaepernick is a brutal passer by nfl standards..... he has terrible accuracy, zero touch.... and throws a 2 yard pass with the same velocity of a 65 yard pass.

when you consider his age, there is no reason to sign him regardless of any distractions. he will not develop any further as a pocket passer, so there is no upside there. he has not shown the ability to be a well liked teammate who can step in for a few games and do what is necessary to bridge a starting qb injury

kaepernick is a "me" guy with not enough talent for the personality he displays. for all those reasons why would anyone waste time or money on him? a less "talented" younger qb may have more upside, and a less talented "team" guy has a better chance to rally teammates in a time of need

michael vick is a perfect example... in pittsburgh he wasn't even average by nfl standards, but he played the team role and the guys played well around him.... kaepernick will never be that kind of guy in a locker room.

i just can't understand what is so hard to grasp about this. the guy is a poison and a cancer, and he was before any of this political crap hit the fan. the nfl is the league of a million chances, anyone with talent gets a second, third, fourth, fifth chance.... if any owner thought the guy would actually be an asset on the field he would be signed, period

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by SethMurphy

Nothing drives me nuts more than W-L record for a starting QB in football. Because Kaepernick is totally to blame for the 49ers defense not stopping the opponent...

so while "he" was 3-16 in those two seasons, yes his 59% completion percentage isn't good, he also had 20 passing touchdowns to just 9 interceptions, adding another 3 rushing touchdowns on over 700 yards in those games. Heck in 2016 he had a QB rating over 90.

But let's put all the blame on him, the 2016 49ers defense was 32nd in the league in points allowed, with 480 or 30 per game. He would have to be superhuman to have a winning record with that defense. 32nd in run defense, 32nd in total yards as well.

In 2016, do any of you know how many teams scored more than 480 points in the season, 1 - Atlanta (540). That's it. Only two more teams even crossed 440. A ton of QBs would have had losing records with that defense.

He also had 3 different offensive coordinators in the last three seasons, but no one mentions how damaging that is for a quarterback who is still learning and growing.


Everyone wants to say he is an awful quarterback, terrible, doesn't belong in the league. But that's just a cop out of an excuse.



Josh McCown is going to start for the Jets. He has a career completion percentage of 59.1, and an 18-42 W-L record for those of you who want to use that. 79 TD, 69 INT, 8 rush TDs. Give me a non-protest, non-race related reason he is a better option than Kaepernick who at least offers the chance of improvement and growth, explosive plays on offense.

please spare everyone the nonsense...... the majority of nfl players are african american, and in the last 10 years there have been multiple number 1 overall draft picks who were african american.... a nfl mvp at the qb position, a sb champion a the qb position...... not to mention dozens of first round qbs drafted

playing ability in the nfl is hardly race related

[Hollywood42]

People get so mad over this guy that kneels during a song, something he has absolutely every right to do.... So many people don't give any second thought to other players that get busted for drugs, DUIs, or physical abuse.... It's comical. That's all I'll say

[pgisback]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

People get so mad over this guy that kneels during a song, something he has absolutely every right to do.... So many people don't give any second thought to other players that get busted for drugs, DUIs, or physical abuse.... It's comical. That's all I'll say

If you can't figure out the issue by now, you never will. He can spout his commie crap on his own time. Last thing I want to do is support a product that is being used to spout nonsense political agendas.

[cobravetteki]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

please spare everyone the nonsense...... the majority of nfl players are african american, and in the last 10 years there have been multiple number 1 overall draft picks who were african american.... a nfl mvp at the qb position, a sb champion a the qb position...... not to mention dozens of first round qbs drafted

playing ability in the nfl is hardly race related

No doubt. I'm sure NFL owners love paying a player millions of dollars to play a sport and watching their investment CAUSE A SCENE in front of millions of Americans on national tv and stir up a load of #%#% causing all kinds of controversy...Nobody cares about a back-up quarterbacks political opinions or any athlete for that matter. They need to worry about their job instead of creating controversial spectacles on national tv for the whole world to see. Keep your opinions and political beliefs at home. Any other person stirs up some political BS like that at a normal job, your gone....And if u don't like living in this country then please leave...

[MFaulkCollector]

Originally Posted by cobravetteki

No doubt. I'm sure NFL owners love paying a player millions of dollars to play a sport and watching their investment CAUSE A SCENE in front of millions of Americans on national tv and stir up a load of #%#% causing all kinds of controversy...Nobody cares about a back-up quarterbacks political opinions or any athlete for that matter. They need to worry about their job instead of creating controversial spectacles on national tv for the whole world to see. Keep your opinions and political beliefs at home. Any other person stirs up some political BS like that at a normal job, your gone....And if u don't like living in this country then please leave...

you really do need to understand what your "view" is going to accomplish and what will come of it

it is his right to sit during the anthem, really it's his right to do whatever he wants within the law....... but when you work for a private organization, you must also know it's their right to decide you aren't good enough to be worth the trouble. he is clearly not good enough to be worth the trouble, and if his talent is good enough then the fact he is a team cancer and all about himself is enough to keep coachers and owners at bay

its funny how he has the right to stand up for what he wants.... but owners don't have the right to choose who they have on their rosters... like a spot should just be reserved for him like he is actually worthy of it by his "talent, or lack thereof in my opinion"

michael vick was in prison for over a year...... he killed hundred of "man's best friend"........ his talent afforded him the opportunity to be on a roster again after that (not his race, not what he had done)... solely his talent and he was paid a lot for that talent...... and even when the talent faded, pittsburgh thought enough of him as a "team" oriented guy to sign him again...... and again for his leadership, skill set, ability to help their organization...... not for his race or his past bad actions

greg hardy has a job, adrian peterson has a job....... basically everyone has a job.............. the writing on the wall is pretty clear, kaepernick is not talented enough for the ego he has, or the distractions he will present to a team.

just as he has the right to protest, a business owner has the right to choose their employees........ kaepernick had a job and he gambled on himself; he quit... that's fine, he has nobody to blame but himself. clearly the talent scouts or coaches/owners don't think he is quite as good as kaep thinks he is

[jcardstore]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

its funny how he has the right to stand up for what he wants.... but owners don't have the right to choose who they have on their rosters... like a spot should just be reserved for him like he is actually worthy of it by his "talent, or lack thereof in my opinion"

This exactly.

[cobravetteki]

Originally Posted by MFaulkCollector

you really do need to understand what your "view" is going to accomplish and what will come of it

it is his right to sit during the anthem, really it's his right to do whatever he wants within the law....... but when you work for a private organization, you must also know it's their right to decide you aren't good enough to be worth the trouble. he is clearly not good enough to be worth the trouble, and if his talent is good enough then the fact he is a team cancer and all about himself is enough to keep coachers and owners at bay

its funny how he has the right to stand up for what he wants.... but owners don't have the right to choose who they have on their rosters... like a spot should just be reserved for him like he is actually worthy of it by his "talent, or lack thereof in my opinion"

michael vick was in prison for over a year...... he killed hundred of "man's best friend"........ his talent afforded him the opportunity to be on a roster again after that (not his race, not what he had done)... solely his talent and he was paid a lot for that talent...... and even when the talent faded, pittsburgh thought enough of him as a "team" oriented guy to sign him again...... and again for his leadership, skill set, ability to help their organization...... not for his race or his past bad actions

greg hardy has a job, adrian peterson has a job....... basically everyone has a job.............. the writing on the wall is pretty clear, kaepernick is not talented enough for the ego he has, or the distractions he will present to a team.

just as he has the right to protest, a business owner has the right to choose their employees........ kaepernick had a job and he gambled on himself; he quit... that's fine, he has nobody to blame but himself. clearly the talent scouts or coaches/owners don't think he is quite as good as kaep thinks he is

Well put!

[hairysasquatch]

Originally Posted by TheFrenzy

"OMG! Now I hate Aaron Rodgers!"

- a disturbingly large number of people who claim to love free speech.

"OMG TheFrenzy is at it again with his politics in the Football section!"

-the 14 people left on the Forum who haven't put him on Ignore

[RelicCollector]

Think:

If you were a GM, would you really want Kaep on your team?

[RelicCollector]

Originally Posted by Hollywood42

People get so mad over this guy that kneels during a song, something he has absolutely every right to do.... So many people don't give any second thought to other players that get busted for drugs, DUIs, or physical abuse.... It's comical. That's all I'll say

"Kneels during a song"

Patriotism is really dying in this country. How pathetic of you to call our country's anthem just a song.

If it was just a song with no meaning whatsoever, why do they play it before every sports game, concert, inauguration, etc.?

And if it was just a song, why would Kap be kneeling?

[jasonm2121]

Why is this so complicated? Teams, like us, do not want pains in the ass unless the upside is extremely high. It is nothing more than that. And to the poor teams who have yet to get him, they probably feel comfortable with the guys they have in their system and do not feel he will fit any better, so why take the chance and deal with the headaches? It is not about race, it is about annoyance with little gain.