PSA --> BGS Crossover Sub - HANDING OUT GRADES LIKE CANDY!!!

jewcer2k5 · 10-20-2017, 07:31 PM

Did a crossover sub to try and bump some PSA 10's to BGS 10's. Min Grade BGS 10 or leave in PSA 10 slab.

0-32 (I may have missed a pic of the last 2)

illadelf · 10-20-2017, 07:34 PM

Would the price increase really even justify it? How much did you pay for them to do nothing?

moosetequila · 10-20-2017, 07:34 PM

OW... but props for posting

jewcer2k5 · 10-20-2017, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by illadelf

Would the price increase really even justify it? How much did you pay for them to do nothing?

Costs the same as RCR at a show.

If one crossed over it would pay for the sub.

I've lost much more on bets in the past.

illadelf · 10-20-2017, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

Costs the same as RCR at a show.

If one crossed over it would pay for the sub.

I've lost much more on bets in the past.

Wow, you're saying if only one crossed over it would pay for the whole thing?
BGS 10s are worth that much more than PSA 10s?

Master Shake · 10-20-2017, 07:44 PM

I wonder if you'd have different results if you cracked them and resubmitted. Maybe the PSA grades are just not good enough for them.

rcmb3220 · 10-20-2017, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by illadelf

Wow, you're saying if only one crossed over it would pay for the whole thing?
BGS 10s are worth that much more than PSA 10s?

I'm doing a crossover in his bgs #7 group sub. A 1989 pro set barry sanders psa 10 which is about a $25-30 card. The only bgs 10 I've ever seen sold 2-3 years ago for $1350. I doubt the multipliers on the cards listed are anywhere near that but that but would still be a great increase.

I'm sure mine won't cross either but wanted to give it one shot. Maybe they got all of their denials out of their system.

rngrdanny22 · 10-20-2017, 07:47 PM

So, how exactly is BGS supposed to accurately grade a card's edges, surface, and corners if they're stuck in a PSA slab?

To be honest, the only way to truly tell if they are "handing out grades" would be to bust them out of the PSA 10 cases and submit them raw. What benefit would BGS have to say that PSA accurately grades cards? Wouldn't bumping one allow some people to infer that PSA 10 is equal to BGS 10? Also, why would they bump them if they're getting paid to literally do nothing (no cracking out of the old slab, no new slab, etc)?

jewcer2k5 · 10-20-2017, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by illadelf

Wow, you're saying if only one crossed over it would pay for the whole thing?
BGS 10s are worth that much more than PSA 10s?

A BGS 10 Duncan is about 750 and a PSA 10 is 175.

The 1983's are a bigger value spread.

Gwynn is 2-3k as a BGS 10 and 600 as a PSA 10

Boggs is 1500 compared to 500

Sandberg is 1500 compared to 350

jewcer2k5 · 10-20-2017, 07:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Master Shake

I wonder if you'd have different results if you cracked them and resubmitted. Maybe the PSA grades are just not good enough for them.

Meh. I don't want BGS 9.5 just BGS 10 so that just makes it much more expensive

illadelf · 10-20-2017, 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

A BGS 10 Duncan is about 750 and a PSA 10 is 175.

The 1983's are a bigger value spread.

Gwynn is 2-3k as a BGS 10 and 600 as a PSA 10

Boggs is 1500 compared to 500

Sandberg is 1500 compared to 300

Ya learn something new every day. I always thought that PSA was the way to go for the "older" stuff.

jewcer2k5 · 10-20-2017, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

So, how exactly is BGS supposed to accurately grade a card's edges, surface, and corners if they're stuck in a PSA slab?

To be honest, the only way to truly tell if they are "handing out grades" would be to bust them out of the PSA 10 cases and submit them raw. What benefit would BGS have to say that PSA accurately grades cards? Wouldn't bumping one allow some people to infer that PSA 10 is equal to BGS 10? Also, why would they bump them if they're getting paid to literally do nothing (no cracking out of the old slab, no new slab, etc)?

I'm sure there are BGS 10's in PSA 10 holders. Probably black labels also.

They are getting paid to evaluate the card and that last sentence makes it seem like you are previously jaded to the crossover and/or grading process.

jewcer2k5 · 10-20-2017, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by illadelf

Ya learn something new every day. I always thought that PSA was the way to go for the "older" stuff.

I mean.

Psa 10 is worth more than BGS 9.5 in all of those scenarios which is why I only wanted a BGS 10.

rngrdanny22 · 10-20-2017, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I'm sure there are BGS 10's in PSA 10 holders. Probably black labels also.

They are getting paid to evaluate the card and that last sentence makes it seem like you are previously jaded to the crossover and/or grading process.

I've had pretty good success with BGS/PSA, and I've never attempted a crossover.

But how are they properly judge a card while it's still encased? For instance, try to properly evaluate a card's edges and corners in a toploader. It's impossible. You have to take the card out to really tell.

jewcer2k5 · 10-20-2017, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I've had pretty good success with BGS/PSA, and I've never attempted a crossover.

But how are they properly judging a card while it's still encased? For instance, try to properly evaluate a card's edges and corners in a toploader. It's impossible. You have to take the card out to really tell.

You can see edge and corner issues clearly while encased.

rngrdanny22 · 10-20-2017, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

You can see edge and corner issues clearly while encased.

Well, we will have to agree to disagree.

gradedeflator · 10-20-2017, 08:46 PM

Sorry jewcer I know you really want that Duncan in a BGS 10. Good luck...keep trying. I'm sure your right.

6celtics33 · 10-20-2017, 08:59 PM

Thanks for posting, every time I see a psa posting it’s like 90% 10s and then people talk how tough they are.

speedyjg13 · 10-20-2017, 09:00 PM

Just curious... how do they examine the surface without cracking it out of the PSA case?

jewcer2k5 · 10-20-2017, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by gradedeflator

Sorry jewcer I know you really want that Duncan in a BGS 10. Good luck...keep trying. I'm sure your right.

Meh. Actually want it to sell and get more PSA 10's :-)

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Originally Posted by 6celtics33

Thanks for posting, every time I see a psa posting it’s like 90% 10s and then people talk how tough they are.

Well yea they have a lot of very loyal fans (just like BGS). My success rate for 10's is solid when I'm really examining cards (just like BGS 9.5's). My last PSA sub had a lot f 9's because I was sending in 1983 Topps cards that I thought looked good enough for a 9 or better. Got 8 or so 9's. 3x 10 and an 8.

10's are relatively easy as long as there are no abhorrent flaws

jewcer2k5 · 10-20-2017, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by speedyjg13

Just curious... how do they examine the surface without cracking it out of the PSA case?

Tilting in the light through the case. Same way they do an in case BGS review.

In general they look to make sure you can't see anything with the naked eye looking straight at it. You get better grades as you tilt in light to reveal other imperfections.

ark8085 · 10-21-2017, 08:14 AM

Prolly a good thing they didn't cross them over, keeping the (probably ) low pop reports intact.
Def worth a try though, low risk high reward..better luck next time my friend.

Afton9444 · 10-21-2017, 10:22 AM

I am not sure how you expected this to work out. I once asked Charles if I were to crossover a PSA 10 would they possibly crack it out and give it a BGS 10. He said "No way" he basically said my only chance would be to crack it out and submit them raw.

I doubt they really even thought twice about cracking one out.

jewcer2k5 · 10-21-2017, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Afton9444

I am not sure how you expected this to work out. I once asked Charles if I were to crossover a PSA 10 would they possibly crack it out and give it a BGS 10. He said "No way" he basically said my only chance would be to crack it out and submit them raw.

I doubt they really even thought twice about cracking one out.

I know others that have had them cross to a 10.

Afton9444 · 10-21-2017, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jewcer2k5

I know others that have had them cross to a 10.

Crazy... Well the gambler in me would like to blow $1000 and submit like 200 cards right now.

HAHA

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speedyjg13 Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 17,303	Just curious... how do they examine the surface without cracking it out of the PSA case? __________________ Current PC: Mike Trout Prior PC: David Fletcher & Jered Weaver https://www.flickr.com/photos/speedyjg13/albums

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moosetequila Member Join Date: Mar 2017 Location: Cali Posts: 9,547	OW... but props for posting

10-20-2017, 07:44 PM	#6
Master Shake Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 1,130 mastershaketoyou	I wonder if you'd have different results if you cracked them and resubmitted. Maybe the PSA grades are just not good enough for them.

10-20-2017, 07:47 PM	#8
rngrdanny22 Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Posts: 12,430	So, how exactly is BGS supposed to accurately grade a card's edges, surface, and corners if they're stuck in a PSA slab? To be honest, the only way to truly tell if they are "handing out grades" would be to bust them out of the PSA 10 cases and submit them raw. What benefit would BGS have to say that PSA accurately grades cards? Wouldn't bumping one allow some people to infer that PSA 10 is equal to BGS 10? Also, why would they bump them if they're getting paid to literally do nothing (no cracking out of the old slab, no new slab, etc)?

10-20-2017, 08:46 PM	#17
gradedeflator Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: West Coast Posts: 3,032	Sorry jewcer I know you really want that Duncan in a BGS 10. Good luck...keep trying. I'm sure your right.

10-20-2017, 08:59 PM	#18
6celtics33 Member Join Date: Jun 2015 Posts: 8,362	Thanks for posting, every time I see a psa posting it’s like 90% 10s and then people talk how tough they are.

10-21-2017, 08:14 AM	#22
ark8085 Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Ct Posts: 1,979 Redic211	Prolly a good thing they didn't cross them over, keeping the (probably ) low pop reports intact. Def worth a try though, low risk high reward..better luck next time my friend.

10-21-2017, 10:22 AM	#23
Afton9444 Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: California Posts: 4,839 Aftonsman	I am not sure how you expected this to work out. I once asked Charles if I were to crossover a PSA 10 would they possibly crack it out and give it a BGS 10. He said "No way" he basically said my only chance would be to crack it out and submit them raw. I doubt they really even thought twice about cracking one out.