Resubmitting for a better grade

TheFreeShipper · 03-31-2018, 05:55 AM

Has anyone ever had any luck on resubmitting for a better grade. I’m looking at BGS but will take past experiences from either company.
I’m thinking about submitting a BGS10 in hopes of a black label. They also can’t lower the grade right? Haha because that would not be cool.

mjohnatgt · 03-31-2018, 06:01 AM

They can't lower the grade if you specify min grade of 10 on the order form. Yes, there are people that get bumps. I submitted 15 cards to PSA for "review" a couple of years back an 2 grew by 1 number grade, and another 2 grew by a half point. Someone on the PSA message board posted about their PSA 8 Jim Brown rookie getting upgraded to an 8.5 and the card went from like $10,000 value to $85,000.
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...m-brown-rookie

TheFreeShipper · 03-31-2018, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

They can't lower the grade if you specify min grade of 10 on the order form. Yes, there are people that get bumps...

Awesome thanks for the info.

ih8ca · 03-31-2018, 12:18 PM

I make a very good living doing this. Just know what you are looking at.

dictoresno · 03-31-2018, 03:31 PM

I have a bunch of cards I want reviewed. but at $20 per review and really bad turn around times, you really need make sure its even worth the money and wait.

FT35 · 04-02-2018, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TheFreeShipper

Has anyone ever had any luck on resubmitting for a better grade. I’m looking at BGS but will take past experiences from either company.
I’m thinking about submitting a BGS10 in hopes of a black label. They also can’t lower the grade right? Haha because that would not be cool.

It's a mixed bag because each company uses a different scale and determines the overall grade on slightly differently weighted criteria. In other words, all 9's are NOT created equal. For example...a BGS card with subs of 9.5, 9.5, 9.5, 8 (Centering) might give you the 9 at Beckett--but will come back an 8 from PSA if the card does not meet the PSA 9 centering range. My best examples of resubs (positive and negative) would be:

Becket Raw Card Review--Mint 9 to a PSA 10
BCCG 10 Mint or better to a PSA 10
BCCG 10 Mint of better to a PSA 8
PSA 9 to a PSA 10
BGS 9 to a PSA 8 (happened twice)
PSA 9 (ST) with sticker wax removed to a PSA 8 (happened 3 times)

Obviously had a couple that convert from a 9 to a 9. You really have to know the different company's scales to know what cards to resubmit, to where. Or it's very easy to get burned.

I've guessed wrong so many times in this hobby, but I think I did something right a while back. I took about 8 months and didn't buy a single card. Instead, I took that $ and put it into grading and did a lot of learning from those cards that came back. Best investement of my life when it comes to the hobby because now I can use that info and make quick buy/pass decisions on purchasing--and can pre-grade a card with almost 100% accuracy before I submit. My first subs came back LOW! Lots of 6, 7 and 8's, but now when I submit, it's a matter of whether they see a card to be a 9 or a 10. Anything lower, it's expected and not a surprise.

Tell you what...I buy a WHOLE lot less now than I did...there are diamonds in the rough still, but the deals don't seem as great when you have a better idea of how a card will grade and what the market is for that particular grade.

Final thought on your quest for a black label. If you can see the issue why you didn't receive a 10 sub, then no matter how minor, I doubt you'll get the bump. Use a 10x magnifyer if possible. I'd say it's always better to crack and resubmit, but in your case, the BGS 10 score might carry a little weight and force them to take it more seriously than a raw card (which could easily come back a 9.5).

ih8ca · 04-02-2018, 01:54 PM

Has anybody had any luck crossing over Psa 10s to bgs 10s?

jcmel323 · 04-02-2018, 01:59 PM

TheFreeShipper · 04-02-2018, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by FT35

It's a mixed bag because each company uses a different scale and determines...............Final thought on your quest for a black label. If you can see the issue why you didn't receive a 10 sub, then no matter how minor, I doubt you'll get the bump. Use a 10x magnifyer if possible. I'd say it's always better to crack and resubmit, but in your case, the BGS 10 score might carry a little weight and force them to take it more seriously than a raw card (which could easily come back a 9.5).

Thanks so much for the detailed response. I’ll have to get a magnifier like you have suggested and take a gander at the corners.

mjohnatgt · 04-02-2018, 09:05 PM

That's a heavy hitter card; good luck on the review.

ih8ca · 04-02-2018, 10:44 PM

I would try and get a group of cards to review. You might have better odds. I would take the gamble. If you like the card don't give up. I had a 1964 topps Koufax psa 9 I had to review several times in a two year period for a psa 10. I finally hit it.

TheFreeShipper · 04-03-2018, 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by ih8ca

I would try and get a group of cards to review. You might have better odds. I would take the gamble. If you like the card don't give up. I had a 1964 topps Koufax psa 9 I had to review several times in a two year period for a psa 10. I finally hit it.

That’s pretty awesome! Persistence paid off.

FT35 · 04-03-2018, 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by ih8ca

I would try and get a group of cards to review. You might have better odds. I would take the gamble. If you like the card don't give up. I had a 1964 topps Koufax psa 9 I had to review several times in a two year period for a psa 10. I finally hit it.

This is a great point. (Congrats on the Koufax bump by the way!!--Holy crap!) If you can find a few "bump worthy" cards and send them together, you might get a couple bumps and this might be one of them. I feel that both main grading companies (Beckett in particular), at times, see a perfect card and try extra hard to find/justify something wrong with it to keep it from a perfect 10. Keeps the value of the black labels ultra high and chase-worthy...but also means there are many black label cards right now that are sitting in gold label holders.

The difference in a BGS 10 and a BGS black label is so small because a card already has to be flawless to be a 10. Logic would siggest black labels are simply handed out at the discression of the grader--because if there's really something that big keeping a BGS 10 from being a black label, it should be a 9.5!

Either way...That's just a sweet card, and I'm extra glad a Nats fan has it.

jpcitylights1 · 04-03-2018, 11:49 AM

I've had about a 33% success rate of crossing 9.5's to PSA 10's with the slab in tact. And slightly less success about 30% when cracking out 9.5's to a PSA 10. Ironically, I have had better success (about 40%) cracking out Strong PSA 9's, resubmitting raw and receiving a 10.

notseabass · 04-03-2018, 11:53 AM

were you planning on resubmitting in the case or like cracking it and sending in? do they regrade a graded cased card?

ih8ca · 04-03-2018, 11:54 AM

A lot of it depends on what type of cards your are submitting for crossovers. It is very difficult to look at a bgs card through the mylar and thick plastic. Crossing over has always been a lower percentage way of getting cards into better holders.

jpcitylights1 · 04-03-2018, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ih8ca

Has anybody had any luck crossing over Psa 10s to bgs 10s?

Not yet, I am currently 0/6....

mjohnatgt · 04-03-2018, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by notseabass

were you planning on resubmitting in the case or like cracking it and sending in? do they regrade a graded cased card?

Only idiots crack out BGS 10 cards looking for Black Label 10s. "Review" is the term for regrading within a slab from the same company. "Crossover" is the term for regrading a card currently graded by a different company.

TheFreeShipper · 04-03-2018, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by notseabass

were you planning on resubmitting in the case or like cracking it and sending in? do they regrade a graded cased card?

Resubmitting in the case. I truly don’t believe in cracking cases. It only hurts collectors as Population reports are no longer accurate. I could go on and on about cracking cases and how it’s terrible for the hobby, but I’ll bite my tongue.

jcmel323 · 04-06-2018, 02:29 AM

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I've had about a 33% success rate of crossing 9.5's to PSA 10's with the slab in tact. And slightly less success about 30% when cracking out 9.5's to a PSA 10. Ironically, I have had better success (about 40%) cracking out Strong PSA 9's, resubmitting raw and receiving a 10.

interesting ....
Those 9.5 with the slab in tact were quads?

jpcitylights1 · 04-06-2018, 04:00 AM

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interesting ....
Those 9.5 with the slab in tact were quads?

Most, but not all of them... In general, PSA is much tougher on Corners and Surface vs Beckett.

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dapro · 04-06-2018, 11:35 AM

I got couple cards I want to review and crossover, but not sure its worth the time and money. Still debating....

jpcitylights1 · 04-06-2018, 03:20 PM

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I got couple cards I want to review and crossover, but not sure its worth the time and money. Still debating....

Now is really the best time to do the 9.5 to PSA 10 crossover attempt. I have noticed the price difference between a 9.5 and a PSA 10 to be widening. In some cases, I have seen a 4x disparity. I am completely stunned by this trend and wonder if this will continue or retract at some point.

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ih8ca · 04-06-2018, 06:37 PM

What really hurt the value on modern Beckett cards was that they were offering minimum grade deals to everybody, so it was flooding the market on bgs 9.5s and pristine 10s. They have slowed that down by just doing rcr deals at $6 per. So it gives the opportunity to have the same cards looked at any times over a short period of time, giving you more opportunities to hit big cards.

Branesergen · 04-06-2018, 07:57 PM

I would go the rcr route if they're ever near you.

As for your question - it's been mixed for me as well. I've had 9s come back 9.5s and 10s several times and I've had 9s come back 9s most often and I've had s few 9s come back 8s. When I say 9s I mean either company. ! Any 9.5s I want bumped I rcr, I won't put a 9.5 in a psa case for any reason.

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TheFreeShipper Member Join Date: Nov 2017 Posts: 1,000 thelastresort0001	Resubmitting for a better grade Has anyone ever had any luck on resubmitting for a better grade. I’m looking at BGS but will take past experiences from either company. I’m thinking about submitting a BGS10 in hopes of a black label. They also can’t lower the grade right? Haha because that would not be cool.

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mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,768 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	They can't lower the grade if you specify min grade of 10 on the order form. Yes, there are people that get bumps. I submitted 15 cards to PSA for "review" a couple of years back an 2 grew by 1 number grade, and another 2 grew by a half point. Someone on the PSA message board posted about their PSA 8 Jim Brown rookie getting upgraded to an 8.5 and the card went from like $10,000 value to $85,000. https://forums.collectors.com/discus...m-brown-rookie

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ih8ca Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: OC Posts: 844 card-buyer hawkdynasty	I make a very good living doing this. Just know what you are looking at.

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dictoresno Member Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: NJ Posts: 4,268 smzcards	I have a bunch of cards I want reviewed. but at $20 per review and really bad turn around times, you really need make sure its even worth the money and wait.

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ih8ca Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: OC Posts: 844 card-buyer hawkdynasty	Has anybody had any luck crossing over Psa 10s to bgs 10s?

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jcmel323 Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 2,944

04-02-2018, 09:05 PM	#10
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,768 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	That's a heavy hitter card; good luck on the review.

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ih8ca Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: OC Posts: 844 card-buyer hawkdynasty	I would try and get a group of cards to review. You might have better odds. I would take the gamble. If you like the card don't give up. I had a 1964 topps Koufax psa 9 I had to review several times in a two year period for a psa 10. I finally hit it.

04-03-2018, 11:49 AM	#14
jpcitylights1 Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: LA, CA Posts: 617 seller:jpcitylights	I've had about a 33% success rate of crossing 9.5's to PSA 10's with the slab in tact. And slightly less success about 30% when cracking out 9.5's to a PSA 10. Ironically, I have had better success (about 40%) cracking out Strong PSA 9's, resubmitting raw and receiving a 10.

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notseabass Banned - PBM Join Date: Mar 2018 Posts: 25 knotseabass	were you planning on resubmitting in the case or like cracking it and sending in? do they regrade a graded cased card?

04-03-2018, 11:54 AM	#16
ih8ca Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: OC Posts: 844 card-buyer hawkdynasty	A lot of it depends on what type of cards your are submitting for crossovers. It is very difficult to look at a bgs card through the mylar and thick plastic. Crossing over has always been a lower percentage way of getting cards into better holders.

04-06-2018, 06:37 PM	#24
ih8ca Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: OC Posts: 844 card-buyer hawkdynasty	What really hurt the value on modern Beckett cards was that they were offering minimum grade deals to everybody, so it was flooding the market on bgs 9.5s and pristine 10s. They have slowed that down by just doing rcr deals at $6 per. So it gives the opportunity to have the same cards looked at any times over a short period of time, giving you more opportunities to hit big cards.

04-06-2018, 07:57 PM	#25
Branesergen Banned Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Montgomery Texas Posts: 6,908 Branesergen	I would go the rcr route if they're ever near you. As for your question - it's been mixed for me as well. I've had 9s come back 9.5s and 10s several times and I've had 9s come back 9s most often and I've had s few 9s come back 8s. When I say 9s I mean either company. ! Any 9.5s I want bumped I rcr, I won't put a 9.5 in a psa case for any reason.