brandonscards1 eBay return claim: 2017 Bowman Acuna BGS 10/10 "ordered by mistake"

[Rooftop]

Dude needed a tax write off

[threebyfives]

Originally Posted by Skybox

This could've ended much worse for all involved ... props to the parents for doing the right thing

I think this is the biggest point... everyone is focused on whether the kid will get a free pass. 1) he won’t. 2) this could have really had an impact on 100 sellers if they had not stepped up. You can call it bailing him out, but there is a difference between accountability and responsibility. We all have a role to play.


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[pgisback]

Originally Posted by Rooftop

So, who has a list of what the kid bought. He might be on to something.

All I know is he paid $22k for an Ohtani bowman atomi and two weeks later you can get them for $3.5-$4k. Also paid $7500 for an AD non rc logoman. He went crazy late April, you can see most of the cards on Ebay and the prices he paid. Must have been a fun little ride. I'd love to go on a $150k spending spree on cards.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by threebyfives

Not my words. I bought and sold nothing to or from him. But glad it worked out for everyone


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You seem extremely involved for someone not involved...

[threebyfives]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

You seem extremely involved for someone not involved...

I try to protect the integrity of the hobby whenever given an opportunity to do so. This just so happen to be one of those opportunities


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[cking]

Brandons Mom

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by threebyfives

I try to protect the integrity of the hobby whenever given an opportunity to do so. This just so happen to be one of those opportunities


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Illegitmate sales at inflated prices seems to hurt the integrity of the hobby -- or at least artificially skew the market, no?

[Giantrobot]

Originally Posted by 3pt

How old is this kid??

34

[chezball]

This kid will be betting sports when it comes to his state.

[threebyfives]

The majority of these were one of one’s... Worth what somebody is willing to pay for them. You see what he paid for the two ohtani’s, and that hasn’t skewed the market. It’s self corrected in less than a week, and these comps will be dust in another month or two.


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[threebyfives]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Illegitmate sales at inflated prices seems to hurt the integrity of the hobby -- or at least artificially skew the market, no?

And let’s face it… Sellers have relatively no protection when it comes to this kind of thing. Nice to see a resolution where they’re all kept whole


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[rebbrooks]

Originally Posted by threebyfives

I try to protect the integrity of the hobby whenever given an opportunity to do so. This just so happen to be one of those opportunities


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Just curious, in which way were you involved that protects the integrity of the hobby?

[RogerGodahell]

If you have that much money and could buy all those cards, i wonder at the end of the day if you feel much satisfaction. Is it fulfilling? Seems like you wouldn't get the same thrill or enjoyment out of it.

[threebyfives]

Originally Posted by rebbrooks

Just curious, in which way were you involved that protects the integrity of the hobby?

Sent DM


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[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by threebyfives

And let’s face it… Sellers have relatively no protection when it comes to this kind of thing. Nice to see a resolution where they’re all kept whole


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I'm still not sure what you mean by kept whole. If you accept returns, then you have to plan for the possibility of returns. If you sell a high priced item, and immediately spend that money, you risk having to cover a return. Now I'm not arguing that buyers remorse (or in this case, buyer's mom's remorse) is a legit reason for returning an item, but it happens all the time.

I am a seller, but I'm not sure how in this situation a seller needs to be "kept whole" if they sell something and that item is returned under the rules that govern returns. Especially, as the case *seems* to be here, the sales were made to a minor.

Honestly... this sounds shady as hell. So the original sellers make out like bandits selling at insane BIN and likely shilled prices. eBay does well getting their cut. Some brokered buyer makes out big time, likely buying the lot at a fraction of what they were originally paid for. And somehow you're involved as the integrity police. The only person who's out are the parents of this kid who seem to have been tricked/talked out of getting their money back.

Originally Posted by threebyfives

Not my words. I bought and sold nothing to or from him. But glad it worked out for everyone


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Originally Posted by threebyfives

I try to protect the integrity of the hobby whenever given an opportunity to do so. This just so happen to be one of those opportunities


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I'm curious -- how much money did you make on this situation, you know, for the integrity?

[obadger]

This was quite the read Let's face it, everyone thats posted in this thread has at one time or another said to ourselves "man, if I had $100k to blow on cards, which ones would I buy?" Well, this young man actually went out and did it. He certainly purchased some monsters He didn't scam, steal or intentionally do any harm to sellers. I'm sure the family dinner table conversations will not be very pleasant for him anytime soon. Only one to get hurt in this, seems to be Brandon himself. I don't claim to know anything about the laws and regulations on all this, but sounds like this family could have recovered all the purchase money from all these sellers. I'm happy that it sounds like all involved will survive this situation.

[houdini]

If you are white knighting in this thread, you are doing no one any good. Not your reputation, not that of the buyer or his family.

Filing those claims was shady as hell. Backing off those claims once the backlash started doesn't change the fact.

Blaming sellers and suggesting they are bandits with shilled auctions is pathetic.

Yes, lying on a credit card claim could have still forced the returns, but that doesn't make it right. Eventually honoring your own purchase from April is not suddenly "doing the right thing." The right thing was not filing all those claims in the first place.

You don't get "tricked" out of having integrity. You either have it or you don't - no one else has any influence in the matter.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by houdini

If you are white knighting in this thread, you are doing no one any good. Not your reputation, not that of the buyer or his family.

Filing those claims was shady as hell. Backing off those claims once the backlash started doesn't change the fact.

Blaming sellers and suggesting they are bandits with shilled auctions is pathetic.

Yes, lying on a credit card claim could have still forced the returns, but that doesn't make it right - nor does eventually honoring your own purchase from April suddenly doing the right thing. The right thing was not filing all those claims in the first place.

There's no honor on either side of this situation. Acting like you're standing up for the good of the hobby on one side, and taking money to broker a sweetheart deal on the other is a bit hypocritical. It seems like I touched a nerve though...

[houdini]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

There's no honor on either side of this situation. Acting like you're standing up for the good of the hobby on one side, and taking money to broker a sweetheart deal on the other is a bit hypocritical. It seems like I touched a nerve though...

Claiming the sellers are likely shilling their auctions is wrong. Saying a card purchased at a high BIN makes the seller a bandit is wrong.

Show me where these sellers are shillers and bandits.

Show me where anyone was tricked into honoring their purchases.

[houdini]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

There's no honor on either side of this situation. Acting like you're standing up for the good of the hobby on one side, and taking money to broker a sweetheart deal on the other is a bit hypocritical. It seems like I touched a nerve though...

Your last edit makes more sense to me now.

I still do not believe the seller's are at fault in any way, but I understand more where you are coming from now.

[SaveMeTheGum]

Originally Posted by houdini

Claiming the sellers are likely shilling their auctions is wrong. Saying a card purchased at a high BIN makes the seller a bandit is wrong.

Show me where these sellers are shillers and bandits.

Show me where anyone was tricked into honoring their purchases.

I didn't say they were bandits, I said they made out like bandits. I've had people pay way too much for cards too. And I've had returns. It sucks, but it's called customer service. If they fall within the return guidelines of eBay, I accept them. If they don't, I fight them. Sometimes I win, sometimes I lose. And "honoring purchases" is a little different when minors are involved. It's ok to disagree -- that's what discussions are all about. I don't have a horse in this race other than that I am both a buyer and a seller. But I'm also very good at sniffing out BS.

[stang_crazy]

Originally Posted by threebyfives

I try to protect the integrity of the hobby whenever given an opportunity to do so. This just so happen to be one of those opportunities


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I still find this odd to. Your saying your not involved and not making anything money wise from this whole deal. So what you just decided oh ill contact his parents and have a chat with them about it? Either there is some financial gain or there was hopes you would be the hero since there was going to be no chargebacks etc...

Not saying this is the case but it really looks fishy that you just randomly make a post saying you were in touch with the parents & knew that a deal was made already to sale the collection and what not.

Thats just my opinion anyways.

[TWard]

I watched everything unfold on Instagram and it was pretty great. I’ve definitely never seen anything like that. I knew something was fishy when all those nice cards started rolling in with him being just a kid.

I could drop that kinda cash on cards but would never do so. That’s just insane to blow $150k+ within a month on cards. I don’t think I’ve ever spent that much in my lifetime, much less on cards. I’d rather use that money to buy a house or help my parents or whatever. Just crazy man. I’m just glad everything is being made right for the sellers.

[cking]

This kid must have spent a few weeks with dwadecollector. I wonder if dwade let him finger blast any of the hotties from his stable in the back seat of his beamer.

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

Exactly. The worst part of that situation was that the judge ruled because he was never taught about consequences the court was going to punish him with no consequences. I still shake my head just thinking about that case. Image if you were a family member of one of the victims...

I can guarantee that turd wouldn't have had the opportunity to run off to Mexico. Neither would his mom.