3 Team Trade: Jake Bauers to the Indians for Yandy Diaz - Page 2

trogdor · 12-13-2018, 01:21 PM

What is the Rays take on this though? Basicially a straight up Yandy Diaz for Jake Bauers?

Ray27Ray52 · 12-13-2018, 01:23 PM

Adding an over the hill useless bat like Santana makes my team better said no team ever.

Peties Army · 12-13-2018, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Adding an over the hill useless bat like Santana makes my team better said no team ever.

He isn’t useless. He is only a year off of being a 3 win player. Plus you get a young power guy.

Seems to make sense

Chris Lyle · 12-13-2018, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood42

Yeah I should have clarified, I was talking more from Cleveland's perspective. Dunno, seems pretty lateral, if not backwards. Edwin seems like a better bat to me. Of course, Santana goes back home, and they do get Bauers as well, but I dunno, it seems weird to me. Not necessarily a bad move, just strange

I get where you are coming from but I wouldn't say that Santana for Edwin is even close to backwards. I like getting Bauers also.

Ray27Ray52 · 12-13-2018, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Peties Army

He isn’t useless. He is only a year off of being a 3 win player. Plus you get a young power guy.

Seems to make sense

Bauers is the big get. His downswing the last couple of months was concerning but I think he figures it out at the ML level.

tkraft24 · 12-13-2018, 01:38 PM

For the Indians, EE’s contributions weren’t enough to justify clogging up he DH spot. Now they have more flexibility moving forward with other moves or Kipnis might be better served as a DH at this point in his career if the Indians can’t dump him.

Roster is sort of weird right now but this trade is definitely setting up other moves.

Chris Lyle · 12-13-2018, 01:53 PM

I am with you. This seems like a deal with other deals in mind, but I could be very wrong.

jataman2612 · 12-13-2018, 02:02 PM

I heard Edwin is going to Tampa as well.

Another little wrinkle that hasn't been mentioned: Seattle is sending $6 Million in cash considerations to the Tribe.

Someone on local radio did the math and figured that this save the Tribe 9 million. Add the $7M they saved on the Gomes deal and they have some cash to work with. Maybe they can move Alonso for an outfielder or a relief pitcher.

On another note, now that we moved Edwin, this helps when/if we move Kluber or Bauer. We can now get a max return for either because now we don't have to include a big contract with them. This makes me think that they're not moving Kipnis.

Bob Loblaw · 12-13-2018, 02:08 PM

So Santana, who the Indians had an opportunity to sign as a free agent last year... goes back to the Indians who are now willing to pay him?

Chris Lyle · 12-13-2018, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jataman2612

I heard Edwin is going to Tampa as well.

Another little wrinkle that hasn't been mentioned: Seattle is sending $6 Million in cash considerations to the Tribe.

Someone on local radio did the math and figured that this save the Tribe 9 million. Add the $7M they saved on the Gomes deal and they have some cash to work with. Maybe they can move Alonso for an outfielder or a relief pitcher.

On another note, now that we moved Edwin, this helps when/if we move Kluber or Bauer. We can now get a max return for either because now we don't have to include a big contract with them. This makes me think that they're not moving Kipnis.

I am with you on being able to trade Kluber/Bauer alone and get the max return for one of them instead of watering it down. Hopefully with money saved we can make some small deals to help Bullpen and/or outfield. I would say barring something unforeseen Kip is here to stay. Hadn't heard Edwin is going to Tampa.

Here is the last details I could find:
https://www.mlb.com/news/indians-tra...?tid=282421090

Chris Lyle · 12-13-2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

So Santana, who the Indians had an opportunity to sign as a free agent last year... goes back to the Indians who are now willing to pay him?

They are willing to pay him because they dumped a contract and got cash in the deal. They weren't willing to sign him to a $20 million dollar deal (which I didn't blame them for) with Edwin and being able to get Yonder. It's not a simple as you make it sound.

tkraft24 · 12-13-2018, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

So Santana, who the Indians had an opportunity to sign as a free agent last year... goes back to the Indians who are now willing to pay him?

Yonder’s fault.

Chris Lyle · 12-13-2018, 02:12 PM

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Yonder’s fault.

I still don't blame us for not signing Santana to $20 mil a year contract. Only reason they are taking it on now is it what a way to move Edwin get bauers who has upside and cash to help with other deals etc.

Hollywood42 · 12-13-2018, 02:24 PM

I actually don't agree with what appears to be the common opinion around here that Santana is worthless, but in a vacuum I'd definitely rather have Edwin

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I get where you are coming from but I wouldn't say that Santana for Edwin is even close to backwards. I like getting Bauers also.

tkraft24 · 12-13-2018, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Chris Lyle

I still don't blame us for not signing Santana to $20 mil a year contract. Only reason they are taking it on now is it what a way to move Edwin get bauers who has upside and cash to help with other deals etc.

Oh yeah, no way the Indians would’ve paid both Santana and EE. Just saying if Yonder didn’t prove to be a role player than this deal probably wouldn’t have happened.

tkraft24 · 12-13-2018, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollywood42

I actually don't agree with what appears to be the common opinion around here that Santana is worthless, but in a vacuum I'd definitely rather have Edwin

I think the Indians see this as Santana over Yonder and Bauers over Yandy with Edwin being the cost of upgrades. Still lots of work to be done.

Hollywood42 · 12-13-2018, 02:29 PM

That's fair. And my previous comment did ignore Bauers entirely who I think is a solid get

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I think the Indians see this as Santana over Yonder and Bauers over Yandy with Edwin being the cost of upgrades. Still lots of work to be done.

Chris Lyle · 12-13-2018, 02:30 PM

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Oh yeah, no way the Indians would’ve paid both Santana and EE. Just saying if Yonder didn’t prove to be a role player than this deal probably wouldn’t have happened.

Agreed. I guess I am not on the Yonder hate train, but I understand the thought.

tkraft24 · 12-13-2018, 02:33 PM

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Agreed. I guess I am not on the Yonder hate train, but I understand the thought.

I don’t hate Yonder, he was always a platoon player but the Indians made him an everyday player for some stupid reason.

Chris Lyle · 12-13-2018, 02:36 PM

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I don’t hate Yonder, he was always a platoon player but the Indians made him an everyday player for some stupid reason.

I understand. I guess I didn't see him a platoon player.

tkraft24 · 12-13-2018, 02:37 PM

I just don’t understand the Rays love affair for Yandy? Seems like they gave up a lot for him, cash considered.

Is the turf really hard down there? Maybe they think his ground balls will translate into ground rule doubles off the infield.

Chris Lyle · 12-13-2018, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by tkraft24

I just don’t understand the Rays love affair for Yandy? Seems like they gave up a lot for him, cash considered.

Is the turf really hard down there? Maybe they think his ground balls will translate into ground rule doubles off the infield.

Yeah I liked Yandy but cash and a prospect for him... Wow.

jataman2612 · 12-13-2018, 03:05 PM

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Yeah I liked Yandy but cash and a prospect for him... Wow.

The cash came in the Santana part of the deal. The Tampa side was Yandy and the ever popular "player to be named later".

doowopbruce · 12-13-2018, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by keeppounding

Yandy Diaz cannot be the best player incoming for the Rays right?

Good trade for the Rays. Diaz provides a needed a right handed backup first baseman for Choi and with Nathaniel Lowe at AAA Bauers had no place to go. I'm not sure how big league ready Bauers is.

Chris Lyle · 12-13-2018, 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by jataman2612

The cash came in the Santana part of the deal. The Tampa side was Yandy and the ever popular "player to be named later".

My bad at first the article made it look like the cash came with Bauers.

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tkraft24 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 7,023 tkinctown tkraft24	I just don’t understand the Rays love affair for Yandy? Seems like they gave up a lot for him, cash considered. Is the turf really hard down there? Maybe they think his ground balls will translate into ground rule doubles off the infield. __________________ PC: Cleveland Indians AU, GU, and Refractors Refractor Wants: https://shinycardboard.weebly.com/

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