1997 Jordan PMG Green 1/10 up on eBay...

[hairyharold]

and let's be real, those questioning it aren't buying it anyway lol so who cares

Originally Posted by jbrandonw

Congrats man. I know alot of people are skeptical, and rightly so, but I think you've done about all you can do to convince them of its authenticity.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by hairyharold

and let's be real, those questioning it aren't buying it anyway lol so who cares

If those who are buying it aren't questioning it... Well, that would be pretty silly considering the number of high dollar 90s inserts that have been forged and graded authentic by Psa and bgs.

[MJGREENPMG1100]

Originally Posted by hairyharold

so you counterfeit money?!!!? jk lol congrats man, stupidly awesome pull that will fetch a stupid sum for sure

Thanks man!

[mcgahee21nfl]

Pulling the card isn't that far fetched. He has the same odds as anyone else has. The eBay name that the card has sold under hasn't had any question marks assigned to it. I've bought from him, I wasn't shilled. None of the other auctions I can see that hes ever ran have been mired with problems. All of the people calling these cards fakes are guilty of looking for reasons why they could be fake, instead of reasons why they could be real. Its pretty stupid and silly. Sure, there are fakes out there.. But in all likelihood (and to my eye) the majority of the times spinotron (to name one person) has called a card FAKE, the card was actually real.

I have no doubts in my mind that this card is real. You don't owe any of these people explanations. Like the post above me said... These people aren't legitimate buyers for your card. Its not like giving these people more background for your card does anything for them, besides satiating their ego and attempting to find flaws or holes in your story to discredit it. Its all pretty pointless.

Great pull. You should still be in your garage puffing away thanking G-D. That card is amazing.

[MJGREENPMG1100]

Originally Posted by mcgahee21nfl

Pulling the card isn't that far fetched. He has the same odds as anyone else has. The eBay name that the card has sold under hasn't had any question marks assigned to it. I've bought from him, I wasn't shilled. None of the other auctions I can see that hes ever ran have been mired with problems. All of the people calling these cards fakes are guilty of looking for reasons why they could be fake, instead of reasons why they could be real. Its pretty stupid and silly. Sure, there are fakes out there.. But in all likelihood (and to my eye) the majority of the times spinotron (to name one person) has called a card FAKE, the card was actually real.

I have no doubts in my mind that this card is real. You don't owe any of these people explanations. Like the post above me said... These people aren't legitimate buyers for your card. Its not like giving these people more background for your card does anything for them, besides satiating their ego and attempting to find flaws or holes in your story to discredit it. Its all pretty pointless.

Great pull. You should still be in your garage puffing away thanking G-D. That card is amazing.

You are right on point. oh and Im still thanking God but not smoking anymore lol

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by mcgahee21nfl

Pulling the card isn't that far fetched. He has the same odds as anyone else has. The eBay name that the card has sold under hasn't had any question marks assigned to it. I've bought from him, I wasn't shilled. None of the other auctions I can see that hes ever ran have been mired with problems. All of the people calling these cards fakes are guilty of looking for reasons why they could be fake, instead of reasons why they could be real. Its pretty stupid and silly. Sure, there are fakes out there.. But in all likelihood (and to my eye) the majority of the times spinotron (to name one person) has called a card FAKE, the card was actually real.

I have no doubts in my mind that this card is real. You don't owe any of these people explanations. Like the post above me said... These people aren't legitimate buyers for your card. Its not like giving these people more background for your card does anything for them, besides satiating their ego and attempting to find flaws or holes in your story to discredit it. Its all pretty pointless.

Great pull. You should still be in your garage puffing away thanking G-D. That card is amazing.

I don't personally see anyone calling it a fake. I'm not. But I am very Leary of it. If I'd been one of the people who paid $2k for a bgs Kobe rubies that was later found out was a fake id be pretty upset. If I'd bought a Psa MJ super rave I wouldn't be very happy that it was fake. If I bought a bgs MJ jambalaya, that I later found was sheet cut that might make me a little unhappy.

But you're right, he's stated that he pulled the card out of a box- and he's states where that box came from. That's all he can probably do at this point. And if later it's proven that it's a fake or a sheet cut with later numbering, I would think that his intent to deceive on a potential $100,000 card would be enough to get him thrown in jail. But yes, I agree that at this point,assuming it's real he's done all he can do.

[hairyharold]

im referring to you and the rest of the clowns on this board. if someone has actually interest they wont post in a forum they will message him individually. why does he have to bend over backwards for people on this thread who aren't buying it and just like to carry pitch forks?

Originally Posted by the27guy

If those who are buying it aren't questioning it... Well, that would be pretty silly considering the number of high dollar 90s inserts that have been forged and graded authentic by Psa and bgs.

[Vipertron]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

I have no idea about this particular card, but I think it's funny some people don't believe you could still pull a massive hit out of an old box.

I'm a firm believer that there are still a couple of 97-98 MJ Game Jersey Auto in boxes. Therefore I bought boxes of 97-98 UD Series 2, but came up empty on all boxes. I recorded all my breaks because of this specific issue.

Amazing pull MJPMGGREEN1100. GLWS!

[MJGREENPMG1100]

Originally Posted by Vipertron

I'm a firm believer that there are still a couple of 97-98 MJ Game Jersey Auto in boxes. Therefore I bought boxes of 97-98 UD Series 2, but came up empty on all boxes. I recorded all my breaks because of this specific issue.

Amazing pull MJPMGGREEN1100. GLWS!

Thanks Vipertron.

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by hairyharold

im referring to you and the rest of the clowns on this board. if someone has actually interest they wont post in a forum they will message him individually. why does he have to bend over backwards for people on this thread who aren't buying it and just like to carry pitch forks?

Thanks. You're right, he doesn't have to. But given the current climate, he probably should do all he can to show the legitamacy of the card. After all, it only benefits him if it's real right?

As someone who has been in this hobby for over 25 years, 7 of it working at the Lcs, I care a great deal about this hobby. Frankly, it pisses me off that the 90s inserts reputation has been hurt so badly. It also pisses me off that we have to worry about this kind of stuff. Just trying to protect it.

if you don't get that then I don't know what else to say.

[exoticprince]

Here's my view. The guy has been open and answered questions posted by members. The whole collecting world knows his name and that he's the one that pulled it and will have sold it on. There will forever be a photo match to the version he pulled and sold and it will be deemed as the original. I don't think after all that, and the fact that the entire hobby now knows his name, that he'd try to pull off one of the biggest scams in collecting history when evidence is all over the net. I think people should acknowledge the dream pull and enjoy the show from July 23rd

[mcgahee21nfl]

Originally Posted by the27guy

Thanks. You're right, he doesn't have to. But given the current climate, he probably should do all he can to show the legitamacy of the card. After all, it only benefits him if it's real right?

As someone who has been in this hobby for over 25 years, 7 of it working at the Lcs, I care a great deal about this hobby. Frankly, it pisses me off that the 90s inserts reputation has been hurt so badly. It also pisses me off that we have to worry about this kind of stuff. Just trying to protect it.

if you don't get that then I don't know what else to say.

No, it doesn't benefit him. You had a chance to address and articulate a rebut in the previous post of mine you replied to.
" Its not like giving these people more background for your card does anything for them, besides satiating their ego and attempting to find flaws or holes in your story to discredit it."

How, on earth, would it benefit him to keep giving YOU and the trolls on this board (trolls in the sense of you have no intention of buying the card), in any other way than what I stated above? If someone is genuinely interested in purchasing it, and they were going to want background details, at such time should such info be granted. At no other time does it serve any legitimate purpose, and is really just attacking the guy and trying to bring it down and fuel your egos.

[mcgahee21nfl]

Originally Posted by hairyharold

im referring to you and the rest of the clowns on this board. if someone has actually interest they wont post in a forum they will message him individually. why does he have to bend over backwards for people on this thread who aren't buying it and just like to carry pitch forks?

Exactly. Protecting the legitimacy of a "card world" is one thing... Accusing someone or asking for proof that you aren't entitled to is another.

Its no different than people who troll threads where theres an eBay disagreement and then ask for the parties names that are involved. From there they constantly act as if its their right and the responsibility of the person starting the thread to give them any information they want so they can do their own research on it. Theres such a sense of entitlement on these boards as a whole. It gets to the point that when a guy doesn't respond to give you information he shouldn't, or doesn't want to, for whatever reason he may have, by default the accuser says: "oh well! no response! must mean something!". Its really a plague of these boards. As you've seen from this thread even respected members do it.

[MJGREENPMG1100]

Thanks for the kind words, you guys are real playaz. I'll be off line for a while. Hope to see some of you at the Nationals. If I'm not by the BBCE booth,then I'm probably by Chad from FireHands watching his breaks. Later guys

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by exoticprince

Here's my view. The guy has been open and answered questions posted by members. The whole collecting world knows his name and that he's the one that pulled it and will have sold it on. There will forever be a photo match to the version he pulled and sold and it will be deemed as the original. I don't think after all that, and the fact that the entire hobby now knows his name, that he'd try to pull off one of the biggest scams in collecting history when evidence is all over the net. I think people should acknowledge the dream pull and enjoy the show from July 23rd

Great post. Thank you!

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by mcgahee21nfl

No, it doesn't benefit him. You had a chance to address and articulate a rebut in the previous post of mine you replied to.
" Its not like giving these people more background for your card does anything for them, besides satiating their ego and attempting to find flaws or holes in your story to discredit it."

How, on earth, would it benefit him to keep giving YOU and the trolls on this board (trolls in the sense of you have no intention of buying the card), in any other way than what I stated above? If someone is genuinely interested in purchasing it, and they were going to want background details, at such time should such info be granted. At no other time does it serve any legitimate purpose, and is really just attacking the guy and trying to bring it down and fuel your egos.

You're a great poster. Seriously. I always appreciate your perspective. Know that I respect your opinion and usually think you're pretty darn spot on.

Having said that-

1.today was the very first time he answered a question from me. He didn't have to "keep" doing anything. First time.

2. I never accused anyone. I asked questions. I also stated that the timing of this "pull" is extremely suspect. It is. Within a year of most of the rare 90s inserts being so successfully duplicated that even bgs and Psa graded them. That is the definition of suspect timing. Does that make it fake? No. Is it possibly that it's real? ABSOLUTELY.

3. This is different than any other situation that I can think of because this is the card. THE CARD. I am not one of those bashers of 90s stuff. This card, If real, is probably high 5 low 6 figures. It's huge. But given how big it is, it deserves extra discussion and extra speculation. Right? Especially considering the sets that have been graded as real and later found to be fake. And especially considering the effect a fake of this magnitude would have in the value of our hobby and our individual collections.

4. I don't have a pitchfork. I hope its real. I wish we had a video of the pull. Id probably watch it with envy a million times. huge congrats if it is real.


In any case, I don't know what else the seller can do at this point--as I previously stated. I hope for his sake that he's being truthful about how he obtained it.

[SPauthentic84]

Any word what happened to this after the relisting?

[SPauthentic84]

Originally Posted by SPauthentic84

Any word what happened to this after the relisting?

Someone has to know something

[abdiaz66]

Here is the link to the real Jordan PMG the one that sold months back at the nationals.

Jordan PMG items in Baseball Card Exchange store on eBay!

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by abdiaz66

Here is the link to the real Jordan PMG the one that sold months back at the nationals.

Jordan PMG items in Baseball Card Exchange store on eBay!

Huh? Do you even know what is going on here?

[exoticprince]

Does anyone know if the owner sold this in the end ?

[cardsdownunder]

Originally Posted by exoticprince

Does anyone know if the owner sold this in the end ?

Yeah what happened to this card?

[xavieronly1]

Originally Posted by cardsdownunder

Yeah what happened to this card?

Hype hype hype...




Disappear.....

[NYFAN2014]

Soooooo word on the street is that PWCC next month will auction off PMG Green MJ 1997 graded by SGC! Details I am sure will come out about grade but curious how much you guys think the card will go for about?

[the27guy]

Originally Posted by NYFAN2014

Soooooo word on the street is that PWCC next month will auction off PMG Green MJ 1997 graded by SGC! Details I am sure will come out about grade but curious how much you guys think the card will go for about?

Why would someone use SGC on that card? Hmmmmm.