Vladimir Guerrero, Jr. - Page 36

Hail2TheVictors · 02-07-2019, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oddstuff

If Topps decide to add Vlad as a regular base in Series 2 then it won't be a repeat performance as Acuna's 2018 SP 698 in terms of value. But nobody really understands why Topps do what they do...must make it a nightmare for those who preorder many months in advance.

Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to. Vlads situation will be the same as acuna. Id assume he doesn't get a base card in series 2, but who knows. JA base card with parallels is >>>>>>>>>> than a SSP card without parallels.

oddstuff · 02-07-2019, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

Yes, that's exactly what I was referring to. Vlads situation will be the same as acuna. Id assume he doesn't get a base card in series 2, but who knows. JA base card with parallels is >>>>>>>>>> than a SSP card without parallels.

I'm curious which product would people here prefer Vlad to be in...Series 2 or Update, as a regular base with parallels (or Heritage High). I imagine Update to reduce the amount of his RC logo cards available for the current year...but who knows if Topps would crank up the printing press for Update/Update Chrome to make up for that. Getting Vlad in as a Series 2 base card though would help Topps move their thousands of factory sets in multiple formats. I wonder if Topps intentionally did those two SP to move the hobby cases. If they had not included them into the Series 2 hobby cases, would that product have moved as well for Topps? From a business perspective, which would they (Topps) profit more from, having Vlad in S2 or Update this year to sell product?

oddstuff · 02-07-2019, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rngrdanny22

I have a base chrome PSA 10 sitting at $155 with a few minutes left. Absolutely nuts. Not a chance I'm not listing the other 15 I have over the next couple weeks.

One would think that with the 2016 Bowman Chrome gem mint base of Vlad going for 100+, that would make Acuna's 2017 Bowman Chrome gem mint base severely undervalued right now at 40? I'm seeing those starting to trend upwards in the past week or so...but perhaps still a lot room for upward movement? for the price of a vlad gem mint, might be able to pick up an Acuna BGS 10 at the right time too...

ThoseBackPages · 02-07-2019, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by oddstuff

One would think that with the 2016 Bowman Chrome gem mint base of Vlad going for 100+, that would make Acuna's 2017 Bowman Chrome gem mint base severely undervalued right now at 40? I'm seeing those starting to trend upwards in the past week or so...but perhaps still a lot room for upward movement? for the price of a vlad gem mint, might be able to pick up an Acuna BGS 10 at the right time too...

remember, there is no MEGA Vlad like there is for Acuna (so buy that one)

oddstuff · 02-07-2019, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

remember, there is no MEGA Vlad like there is for Acuna (so buy that one)

very true! so does that still mean Vlad is twice as valuable as Acuna lol? there has to be a lot of the Vlad base chromes out there too like the 2017 Acuna base chromes...it's not like Topps decide to scale down production on the 2016 Bowman product. The 2017 Mega (first year Bowman Mega right?) on the other hand though is more limited...

LVDan · 02-07-2019, 05:24 PM

The bigger issue on the Vlad-Acuna Base FY chrome comparison is the existence of Acuna's 2018 RCs. A fair portion of the Acuna investment $ shifted from 17 FY BC to 2018 RCs.
Almost regardless of performance the same thing will happen to Vlad's 2016 cards when his 2019 RCs hit the market. They will fall across the board unless he's hitting .400 w/ 15hr in June.
- other than a few to hold for long term pc, you can't be holding Vlad's 2016 when his rookie cards are released

oddstuff · 02-07-2019, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by LVDan

The bigger issue on the Vlad-Acuna Base FY chrome comparison is the existence of Acuna's 2018 RCs. A fair portion of the Acuna investment $ shifted from 17 FY BC to 2018 RCs.
Almost regardless of performance the same thing will happen to Vlad's 2016 cards when his 2019 RCs hit the market. They will fall across the board unless he's hitting .400 w/ 15hr in June.
- other than a few to hold for long term pc, you can't be holding Vlad's 2016 when his rookie cards are released

Yes...completely agree on the 2017/2018 Acuna and 2016/2019 Vlad observation. If I had 2016 Vlads, I would be selling right now.

ThoseBackPages · 02-07-2019, 05:28 PM

Yes, Dan is right. we havnt even seen Vlad RCs yet

dasiegel · 02-08-2019, 04:19 PM

A lot of people doubted that prices could be any higher then they were recently, but many of us knew that was not true.

Last couple of BCA sales:

Green BCAR PSA 10 $-4300
Base True Gem BGS 9.5/10- $1299.95
Ref BCAR BGS 9/10 w 8.5 centering- $961 (auction)
Ref Raw- $1150
Base Raw- $825
Ref PSA 9- $1100
Base BGS 9.5/10 great subs- $1250
Purple PSA 10- $1799.99
Purple Raw- $1350

These are all from Feb 6 forward. Not even at ST, crazy.

220sports · 02-08-2019, 07:17 PM

Mail Day, Pop 1. Not as nice as some of these big boys but I like it!

Zacky1053 · 02-09-2019, 11:41 AM

This is a joke, right? It's clear as day this is NOT the certified autograph version.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vladimir-Gu...p2047675.l2557

RandysHobby · 02-09-2019, 01:09 PM

His 1st BASE non-auto is selling for nearly $50? Holy cow.

RandysHobby · 02-09-2019, 01:10 PM

I am going to stock up on his non-first chrome "pre-rookies" as they are only around a buck or two each.

Triple B · 02-09-2019, 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Zacky1053

This is a joke, right? It's clear as day this is NOT the certified autograph version.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vladimir-Gu...p2047675.l2557

Someone’s not gonna be happy.

oddstuff · 02-09-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 220sports

Mail Day, Pop 1. Not as nice as some of these big boys but I like it!

Nice pickup...paper rookies in gem mint are tough!

oddstuff · 02-09-2019, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RandysHobby

I am going to stock up on his non-first chrome "pre-rookies" as they are only around a buck or two each.

2018 bowman chromes?

220sports · 02-09-2019, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by oddstuff

Nice pickup...paper rookies in gem mint are tough!

Thanks. That’s the idea I was going with. The bubble in non-numbered stuff will pop eventually.

doowopbruce · 02-09-2019, 04:29 PM

What kind of numbers will he have to put up for his cards to maintain their current prices? I'm thinking somewhere around 30-100-310.

ThoseBackPages · 02-09-2019, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by doowopbruce

What kind of numbers will he have to put up for his cards to maintain their current prices? I'm thinking somewhere around 30-100-310.

at least

Triple B · 02-09-2019, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by doowopbruce

What kind of numbers will he have to put up for his cards to maintain their current prices? I'm thinking somewhere around 30-100-310.

I doubt it. Look at Acuna’s cards right now. EVERYTHING is on fire and it’s not even spring training. He’ll need to show he can roll in the majors and people will be lapping up his 2019 RCs. His 2016 stuff will drop but his RCs will be straight fire if he doesn’t deuce the bed.

doowopbruce · 02-09-2019, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple B

I doubt it. Look at Acuna’s cards right now. EVERYTHING is on fire and it’s not even spring training. He’ll need to show he can roll in the majors and people will be lapping up his 2019 RCs. His 2016 stuff will drop but his RCs will be straight fire if he doesn’t deuce the bed.

Acuna had an exceptional year and finished very strong. That's what his cards are selling on.

Syndygaard · 02-09-2019, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Triple B

I doubt it. Look at Acuna’s cards right now. EVERYTHING is on fire and it’s not even spring training. He’ll need to show he can roll in the majors and people will be lapping up his 2019 RCs. His 2016 stuff will drop but his RCs will be straight fire if he doesn’t deuce the bed.

Um, wont have 2019 RC's, and doesnt have 2016 "stuff". Do you mean 2018 and 2017?

EDIT: Sorry, thought you meant Acuna.

Syndygaard · 02-09-2019, 06:59 PM

Im thinking there are going to be certain cards of his selling right now that might have some helium in them. Like Im assuming the base papers are $2-3 or so right now those dont have much room to grow, but those Mega Refractors from 17 & 18 - Refractors, Atomics - those might shoot up too as we get closer to ST.

mwash1983 · 02-09-2019, 07:10 PM

Davenport Player Comps for Vlad Jr. are Sheffield, Murray, but also Gregg Jefferies and Jesus Montero.

Triple B · 02-09-2019, 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by mwash1983

Davenport Player Comps for Vlad Jr. are Sheffield, Murray, but also Gregg Jefferies and Jesus Montero.

Baseball America has compared him to Miguel Cabrera and David Ortiz. Who do we listen to?

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02-08-2019, 04:19 PM	#884
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02-08-2019, 07:17 PM	#885
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02-09-2019, 11:41 AM	#886
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02-07-2019, 05:24 PM	#881
LVDan Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 17,637	The bigger issue on the Vlad-Acuna Base FY chrome comparison is the existence of Acuna's 2018 RCs. A fair portion of the Acuna investment $ shifted from 17 FY BC to 2018 RCs. Almost regardless of performance the same thing will happen to Vlad's 2016 cards when his 2019 RCs hit the market. They will fall across the board unless he's hitting .400 w/ 15hr in June. - other than a few to hold for long term pc, you can't be holding Vlad's 2016 when his rookie cards are released

02-09-2019, 01:10 PM	#888
RandysHobby Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Arizona Posts: 9,362 NickFolesEaglesQB	I am going to stock up on his non-first chrome "pre-rookies" as they are only around a buck or two each. __________________ Super collector of Tanner McKee, Jimmer Fredette, Robert Tonyan, and Jameer Nelson. InventoryChanger on IG and InventoryChanger.IG on eBay.

02-09-2019, 04:29 PM	#893
doowopbruce Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: Long Island Posts: 2,024 doowopbruce	What kind of numbers will he have to put up for his cards to maintain their current prices? I'm thinking somewhere around 30-100-310.

02-09-2019, 06:59 PM	#898
Syndygaard Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Albany, NY Posts: 1,932 prospects-etc Coming Soon	Im thinking there are going to be certain cards of his selling right now that might have some helium in them. Like Im assuming the base papers are $2-3 or so right now those dont have much room to grow, but those Mega Refractors from 17 & 18 - Refractors, Atomics - those might shoot up too as we get closer to ST.

02-09-2019, 07:10 PM	#899
mwash1983 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 6,161	Davenport Player Comps for Vlad Jr. are Sheffield, Murray, but also Gregg Jefferies and Jesus Montero.