I'm out of touch with newer music...

[Siberian13]

Originally Posted by Bowman1951

Well, the socially conscious lyrics also go hand in hand with the video and overall message being portrayed by CG, ssssooooooo........

People watch music videos to look for hidden messages?

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by Bowman1951

I posted a video about it, they go into the deeper meaning of some of the lyrics around 1:20.

I watched it. Not impressed. Congrats to him for being "woke". Solid clap back at society.

[Bowman1951]

Here is one of the best synopsis' I've seen of the song and how the video goes along with the social commentary.

This song is oozing with social commentary that is exposed through satiric trap-influenced lyrics.

This social commentary is all the more obvious through the song’s controversial video which showcases graphic gun violence and directly after showing Childish Gambino doing various dances that you might recognize from your favorite social media network. America’s endless fascination with black culture is directly juxtaposed by its inherent neglect for black lives. The country seems to live in this odd realm of being where it showcases its love of various aspects of black culture (trap music, various dances, etc.) enough to pull the wool over the viewer’s eyes so they won’t notice the never-ending injustice and horror that’s happening in America every single day.

The church choir sings an uplifting catchy melody under Gambino’s innocent “we just wanna party” lyrics and Young Thug’s crooning ad-libs. Then the song is ripped from its bright, joyous choir and guitar foundation to reveal a muddy trap beat, layered with primal percussion and gritty, droning 808’s. Here Gambino changes his tone, sounding direct, percussive and confident in his delivery.

The stark contrast in the music is mirrored in the visuals. Cars on fire, hijackings, riots, and police brutality fill the backdrop of the video while Gambino and his posse dance in ignorant bliss. Each of the verses begin with Gambino shooting: one reminiscent of a political execution, and the other painfully alluding to the Texas Church shooting last November. Each are then followed by remorseless singing and dancing.

The video is essentially a practice in that hypothesis. Depending on how desensitized you are to gun violence, you may notice the dancing more than you do the violence. The two topics obviously don’t match each other in importance but yet they have a fair shot at getting the attention of the viewer. The clash of these two instances truly show how crazy living in America really is, but interestingly, how used to it most Americans are.

[Ray27Ray52]

Just so we are clear... This won the Grammy:




This did not:




Go to hell Grammy's.

[IronMonkey415]

This is why I just stick with the barrio and listen to oldies in low riders.

I feel safe.

[Ray27Ray52]

Greta Van Fleet actually did win a Grammy though they didn't win the Grammy for Best New Artist as referenced in my post above. Their Grammy winner? Best Rock Album. It wasn't shown on air. Meaning it wasn't even deemed important enough for them to go on stage in front of their peers. Rock isn't dead in the eyes of popular culture? I think it is.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Just so we are clear... This won the Grammy:




This did not:




Go to hell Grammy's.

Ugh. Both are trash IMO. GVF is nothing more than a cookie-cutter Led Zeppelin ripoff.

[marl1220]

Originally Posted by Hallco

I was thinking about watching the Grammy Awards tonight because I saw the commercial during the Superbowl showing the Chili Peppers were performing...but I just looked at the nominees for most of the categories and I have never even heard of some of the artists or songs! And I'm not even talking about the obscure stuff....I mean Record, Song and Album of the Year! Even the Rock category that would seem to be more in line with my normal listening has bands that I have no clue about!

You're not missing anything.

[Ray27Ray52]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

Ugh. Both are trash IMO. GVF is nothing more than a cookie-cutter Led Zeppelin ripoff.

I won't deny that their resemblance to Zepp is uncanny. But I have a profound appreciation for a group of 18-21 year olds who write their own songs, play their own instruments, and pay homage to those who came before them. It's light years better than the trashy autotuned repetitive crap that satisfies the masses.

[calculusdork]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I won't deny that their resemblance to Zepp is uncanny. But I have a profound appreciation for a group of 18-21 year olds who write their own songs, play their own instruments, and pay homage to those who came before them. It's light years better than the trashy autotuned repetitive crap that satisfies the masses.

Yeah, I won't disagree, but I think you're creating a bit of a false dilemma. There's plenty of good, current music written by 18-21 year olds that is actually original.

[deansayso]

Originally Posted by calculusdork

Yeah, I won't disagree, but I think you're creating a bit of a false dilemma. There's plenty of good, current music written by 18-21 year olds that is actually original.

Like Alien Weaponry! Love those guys

[asujbl]

It’s not ok that Cardi B has more Grammys than Tupac and Nas combined...

[jlzinck]

I stopped watching/thinking about the Grammys after Macklemore won for best Rap Song, must have been 2013/2014. Had he more melanin the song wouldn't have even been nominated.

[carlo16]

A friend of mine co-wrote "shallow" and played with Lady Gaga last night. That was cool to see. Other than that, I too, am out of touch with newer music.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

Greta Van Fleet actually did win a Grammy though they didn't win the Grammy for Best New Artist as referenced in my post above. Their Grammy winner? Best Rock Album. It wasn't shown on air. Meaning it wasn't even deemed important enough for them to go on stage in front of their peers. Rock isn't dead in the eyes of popular culture? I think it is.

Rock isnt dead. Not even close. There are modern rock radio stations in every major city.

That award just doesnt fit the liberal agenda of the producers and the network. This is a national broadcast with millions of viewers they can influence.

[coltsnsox07]

Originally Posted by asujbl

It’s not ok that Cardi B has more Grammys than Tupac and Nas combined...

Did you hear that her stupid a$$ got a bouquet of flowers with Tom Petty song lyrics on the message card, with his name under them, and she thanked Tom Petty for sending her the flowers....

[Hallco]

Originally Posted by AnthonyCorona

I think there should be a thread called “Get of my lawn” where all you oldies who hate everything can meet and share your hate. I hope I don’t get old and forget what it was like to be young. Not EVERYTHING new sucks fellas.


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Just to clarify. When I started this thread, I did not mean to insinuate that I "hate everything" that is new. I have been involved in many aspects of music in my life including composing, performing,arranging and being a huge fan of LOTS of styles. I was simply stating that I have been unable to keep up with it the last few years. There are a lot of newer groups and songs that I like...I just thought it was weird that I had not heard of "most" of the artists that were nominated this year.

[thedarkbrown]

Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

I know each generation laments the downfall of music for the current generation but objectively we are in the worst period for "music" in history.

I agree.

Before social media and the internet, folks who actually had an ear for good music were "filters" for the major releases. Now, releasing an "album" can be done by most anyone with $$$ and time.

Today, it doesn't take talent to be successful. It takes views. Views happen because of how someone looks.

There are a lot of proficient software users that can make sounds with keyboards and such. This is not musicianship.

[jdandns]

Originally Posted by Siberian13

People watch music videos to look for hidden messages?

When you're told the messages are there, sure.
See the movie "Drowning By Numbers" (1988), if you can. As it plays out, the numbers from 1 through 100 sequentially appear throughout the movie, either buried in the background of scenes, many of them spectacular tableaus, or else spoken aloud within the dialogue. It's like Pokemon, but for the cognoscenti. (Try and catch them all!) People used to listen to vinyl records backwards, too.

As for the Grammy Awards, I know they rightly get a lot a brickbats for who has (and hasn't) won them over the years, including this year, but it's not really about who wins. This presentation is the state-of-the-art of popular music and represents a great opportunity for the open minded to find something new they may enjoy. There's still nothing quite like being able to go up on a stage and perform music live, especially that one, going out to a worldwide audience. I have a real respect for that ability, no matter the genre.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by thedarkbrown

I agree.

Before social media and the internet, folks who actually had an ear for good music were "filters" for the major releases. Now, releasing an "album" can be done by most anyone with $$$ and time.

Today, it doesn't take talent to be successful. It takes views. Views happen because of how someone looks.

There are a lot of proficient software users that can make sounds with keyboards and such. This is not musicianship.

Im not sure this statement supports your arguement. Isnt it a good thing that what we are able to hear isnt controlled by the record industry?

[thedarkbrown]

Originally Posted by Spider-Fan

Im not sure this statement supports your arguement. Isnt it a good thing that what we are able to hear isnt controlled by the record industry?

Yes, absolutely it is, and on a grand scale yes. BUT, you are also exposed to so much more BAD music that it takes way too long to find true, good music.

[Spider-Fan]

Originally Posted by thedarkbrown

Yes, absolutely it is, and on a grand scale yes. BUT, you are also exposed to so much more BAD music that it takes way too long to find true, good music.

I think you are saying good and bad, but what you mean is like and dislike. You dont get to decide what art is "good", only what you enjoy. Its hugely different.

The rise of the internet and social media has plenty of downsides, but one major upside is the ability of all types of artists to market themselves directly to the masses instead if having to win over a bunch of suits before they can get noticed.

Fact of the matter is that rockers are the musical minorities fighting to get noticed in a world where the top 40 stations only play pop, hip hop and r&b.

[Astros19]

Honestly, the lines between the different genres of music have become quite blurred in recent years.
More importantly, I'm not a fan of rap but that doesn't mean I think it's lousy. Music, like movies are open to interpretation for everyone.
Kind of like sport card companies, the more choices we have, the better off we are.

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[chezball]

Originally Posted by jlzinck

I stopped watching/thinking about the Grammys after Macklemore won for best Rap Song, must have been 2013/2014. Had he more melanin the song wouldn't have even been nominated.

I stopped after they gave tull the heavy metal award whenever that was. The year was 1989.

[Wombat]

Originally Posted by jdandns

When you're told the messages are there, sure.
See the movie "Drowning By Numbers" (1988), if you can. As it plays out, the numbers from 1 through 100 sequentially appear throughout the movie, either buried in the background of scenes, many of them spectacular tableaus, or else spoken aloud within the dialogue. It's like Pokemon, but for the cognoscenti. (Try and catch them all!) People used to listen to vinyl records backwards, too.

As for the Grammy Awards, I know they rightly get a lot a brickbats for who has (and hasn't) won them over the years, including this year, but it's not really about who wins. This presentation is the state-of-the-art of popular music and represents a great opportunity for the open minded to find something new they may enjoy. There's still nothing quite like being able to go up on a stage and perform music live, especially that one, going out to a worldwide audience. I have a real respect for that ability, no matter the genre.

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