18/19 FOTL NT Basketball!

[Zacy87]

Originally Posted by insanepjc

Offered regular 2 boxes from the LCS for 2k (what they were allocated).

Would you?

That's a very good deal IMO. I would just be worried on what was pulled from the other 2 boxes

[messier2]

Tough first break on Plat overall.

Glad I was not in that one!

[arod305]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Spend a little more and get a FOTL box.

Originally Posted by Zacy87

That's a very good deal IMO. I would just be worried on what was pulled from the other 2 boxes

I'd be hesitant to bust loose boxes. However, its a solid price. I agree with above though

[gomiamigo]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Pretty brutal case and that's HITTING a top-tier RPA.

I think that depends on what Bagley goes for, no?

We're not gonna post hate on every case that doesn't have $6k of cards in it, are we? Let's skip that. People who buy breakers spots know they're hardcore gambling.

[gametime123]

Originally Posted by sandlotsportcards

My box just arrived. 2 Blue FOTL stickers on the outside. I didn't open the shipping box. Straight to my closet for now. Son isn't very happy. He wants to open it.

FWIW (probably not much) thats what my box had, the box was complete garbage, but the RPA was SGA, definitely a good box overall.

[Zacy87]

Originally Posted by gametime123

FWIW (probably not much) thats what my box had, the box was complete garbage, but the RPA was SGA, definitely a good box overall.

SGA /20 will probably bring in around 2k

[messier2]

Anyone else not working and monitoring all the breaks on breakers.tv???

Unproductive day so far...

[ClipsandVols]

Originally Posted by messier2

Anyone else not working and monitoring all the breaks on breakers.tv???

Unproductive day so far...

Shhhhh

[yiguiri2002]

Originally Posted by arod305

Was surprised to wake up and see my Donte at $200 already lol... Crazy that even awful boxes are going to bring back 50%+ return.

Yes, I know the opportunity cost of selling, but not a ton you can break these days and get your ass waxed and recoup 50% of box price

On average, you should get way more than 750 on those FOTL boxes. I'll say somewhere around 1k or so.

But if you are patient and look around, there are tons of products that would give you more than 50% return on average.

[mrdallas]

Originally Posted by yiguiri2002

On average, you should get way more than 750 on those FOTL boxes. I'll say somewhere around 1k or so.

But if you are patient and look around, there are tons of products that would give you more than 50% return on average.

Ha, Patience is becoming a lost art in this hobby these days. But I would agree with this.

[messier2]

Any big hits so far from the breakers? I'm watching the Plat just wrap up the second of 2 bad cases.

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by gomiamigo

I think that depends on what Bagley goes for, no?

We're not gonna post hate on every case that doesn't have $6k of cards in it, are we? Let's skip that. People who buy breakers spots know they're hardcore gambling.

Forget about the valuation for a minute because personally I don't care.

The only card in that break I'd even want is the Bagley RPA because it was the only one that looked nice. I generally like a few NT sets and even the memorabilia sets but that break didn't have one other card that I'd want to have if given to me. That's what I meant by brutal.

At $6K only 3-5% of the cases will be "winners" from a straight up dollar perspective (and that may be high), so they'll all be brutal in that regard. I'm talking about just the way NT looks this year, though I haven't seen every set.

[mrdallas]

So far I have been very underwhelmed with the breaks. Cards are not the greatest looking. Agree with Geech on this. Outside of the RC RPA's even the horizontal Logoman's are not that interesting in appearance to me. I do like the large patches of the rookie RPA's but that so far is about it.

Still enjoy watching breaks because it is NOT my money.

[kobemagee29]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

Forget about the valuation for a minute because personally I don't care.

The only card in that break I'd even want is the Bagley RPA because it was the only one that looked nice. I generally like a few NT sets and even the memorabilia sets but that break didn't have one other card that I'd want to have if given to me. That's what I meant by brutal.

At $6K only 3-5% of the cases will be "winners" from a straight up dollar perspective (and that may be high), so they'll all be brutal in that regard. I'm talking about just the way NT looks this year, though I haven't seen every set.

I think you have to factor in the actual cost of these cases. Not the inflated prices that people are paying. I can say that I'm 99.9% sure the cost from distributors was under 2000 for these. So you cant expect these cases to have 3000, 4000 or even 6000 worth of hits. Panini has no fault in what other places are over charging for this & it's only going to get worse. Next year its Zion for the excuse to charge what, 7000 for cases next year, but yet the cost stays the same from panini

[ClipsandVols]

I dig the Peerless Signatures set

[Zacy87]

Originally Posted by kobemagee29

I think you have to factor in the actual cost of these cases. Not the inflated prices that people are paying. I can say that I'm 99.9% sure the cost from distributors was under 2000 for these. So you cant expect these cases to have 3000, 4000 or even 6000 worth of hits. Panini has no fault in what other places are over charging for this & it's only going to get worse. Next year its Zion for the excuse to charge what, 7000 for cases next year, but yet the cost stays the same from panini

$2000 does seem low.

Either way, people are still buying these cases for 4500-5000

[Sushiyoshi]

Another case from Korea posted on YT with Troy Brown RPA and two Kobe autos.

[irfuji]

Originally Posted by kobemagee29

I think you have to factor in the actual cost of these cases. Not the inflated prices that people are paying. I can say that I'm 99.9% sure the cost from distributors was under 2000 for these. So you cant expect these cases to have 3000, 4000 or even 6000 worth of hits. Panini has no fault in what other places are over charging for this & it's only going to get worse. Next year its Zion for the excuse to charge what, 7000 for cases next year, but yet the cost stays the same from panini

My only comment here, is you aren't including the indirect costs that Panini forces on the stores. My understanding (and I could be incorrect) is that the allocation for high demand products requires stores to buy low demand product. So if you want a lot of NT you also have to buy a lot of crap that people don't really want.

[arod305]

Plat pulled a Horizontal luka /25.. Pretty sick LuLu

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by irfuji

My only comment here, is you aren't including the indirect costs that Panini forces on the stores. My understanding (and I could be incorrect) is that the allocation for high demand products requires stores to buy low demand product. So if you want a lot of NT you also have to buy a lot of crap that people don't really want.

We totally get that buyers have to eat the lower end stuff in order to get allocations of the higher end stuff. No one is denying that. But what I don't like is the part that some say they are taking a hit on the lower end stuff. They simply are not eating 100% of the cost of the lower end stuff. They are actually sell it. How much of a profit or loss they take? I don't know, but on a general level, most products this year sold pretty well.

The real question is how much of a loss do they take on the lower end (if any) that equates to the markup on the high end?? I bet its large disproportion. They might lose $100 a case on the lower end, but easily make $5k on the higher end per case. At the end, all these guys are making bank on being middle men to get the product to the consumer. The end user ends up paying everyone in-between and eventually become the losers.

[GeechQuest]

What's odd is that the Horizontal RPA seems to be popping up 2:1 over the Vertical RPA, when we should be seeing more of the Verticals. I've always wondered how Panini determines their hold backs and even though the sample is infinitely small it will be disturbing to see the horizontal to vertical ratio continue.

Side note to arod305: the DD Jersey #'d Bronze RPA was gorgeous, as I think the bronze works with the Bucks overall color template. The Luka was a big card in the break, but the bronze looked off with the Mavs color template.

Agreed with ClipsandVols on the Peerless Signatures set. It does look nice, though I think the Peerless Jersey Auto set from Dominion this season was my favorite "Peerless" design.

Fun day!

[GeechQuest]

Originally Posted by Orangejello727

We totally get that buyers have to eat the lower end stuff in order to get allocations of the higher end stuff. No one is denying that. But what I don't like is the part that some say they are taking a hit on the lower end stuff. They simply are not eating 100% of the cost of the lower end stuff. They are actually sell it. How much of a profit or loss they take? I don't know, but on a general level, most products this year sold pretty well.

The real question is how much of a loss do they take on the lower end (if any) that equates to the markup on the high end?? I bet its large disproportion. They might lose $100 a case on the lower end, but easily make $5k on the higher end per case. At the end, all these guys are making bank on being middle men to get the product to the consumer. The end user ends up paying everyone in-between and eventually become the losers.

FWIW allocations are pretty much the standard for retail products.

If you want product A, you have to sell product B first.

[Orangejello727]

Originally Posted by GeechQuest

FWIW allocations are pretty much the standard for retail products.

If you want product A, you have to sell product B first.

No one is arguing that. What im pointing out is selling product B is not a money loser in most cases for these people in order to get product A. You really think these guys took a bath on contenders, optic, prizm and select?

[ichirorox]

Originally Posted by messier2

Any big hits so far from the breakers? I'm watching the Plat just wrap up the second of 2 bad cases.

MPJ RPA #01/99 jersey # pulled with sick patch by platinum. Veryyyyy sick.

[gomiamigo]

3 vertical RPAs in that case.