BGS Black Labels, Joe Clemons (eBay ID: wjc75056), and Illegitimate Grading - Page 4

blackbears86 · 05-31-2019, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Beckett's 2018 Industry Summit guest list is looking better and better each day.
http://theindustrysummit.com/whos-attending

rogues gallery of shady characters

JLEICHTER35 · 05-31-2019, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

what does it say?

"What number can I reach you at"...BG

ThoseBackPages · 05-31-2019, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by JLEICHTER35

"What number can I reach you at"...BG

Rooftop · 05-31-2019, 10:37 AM

Who in the hell would buy a graded Leaf card?

superdan49 · 05-31-2019, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by rob024420

email1 by Robert Moseley, on Flickr

That was quick

Brian should respond on here. I actually like Leaf a lot. I think they take risks (and fail sometimes), but on the whole they put out attractive and creative sets.

His company's credibility is on the line. I do believe he knows he needs to take action with this employee.

KhalDrogo · 05-31-2019, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

It's literally in the OP. lol

https://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISA...rchInterval=30

Nailed it from the start a few weeks back.

calculusdork · 05-31-2019, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by PoPCulture

FBI should have interest in this. If this was Wall Street they would be all over it. The amount of money and fraud involved here is likely comparable to insider trading.

Legit chance we're talking literal millions of dollars.

kylocke · 05-31-2019, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by rob024420

email1 by Robert Moseley, on Flickr

That was quick

Your desktop is too clean. I think you are a robot.

mattglet · 05-31-2019, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by kylocke

Your desktop is too clean. I think you are a robot.

On the contrary, people with cluttered desktops are psychopaths

DaRitz · 05-31-2019, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by rob024420

email1 by Robert Moseley, on Flickr

That was quick

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Originally Posted by kylocke

Your desktop is too clean. I think you are a robot.

I was going to say the same about zero unread emails! Haha.

Good work on the email, Rob. Let us know how the talk goes!

Davis · 05-31-2019, 10:41 AM

Next up on.....

rcmb3220 · 05-31-2019, 10:44 AM

This is the best year ever on blowout forums and we aren’t even at the halfway point!

Triggwildcat · 05-31-2019, 10:45 AM

I'm trying to actually be productive at work but I can't unglue my eyes from this thread. This could actually be the beginning of a downfall for BGS and Leaf, and of course wjc. I'm so happy for all the work some of you guys and gals put into this hobby.

NickM · 05-31-2019, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by blackbears86

rogues gallery of shady characters

Beckett's Industry Scummit.

superdan49 · 05-31-2019, 10:47 AM

Info on Beckett's Graders

One of the things I've been doing since I opened the superdan49@protonmail.com anonymous e-mail tip-line is cultivating sources. Just got this from a very trusted source:

Beckett divides their graders into junior and senior graders. "There is no way a junior grader can give those results out." Therefore the culprit working with Joe Clemons is likely one of "the senior graders that have been there for awhile."

Beckett: Who graded these cards? Which of your senior graders is involved here?

PatchSentinel · 05-31-2019, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by rcmb3220

This is the best year ever on blowout forums and we aren’t even at the halfway point!

I've never seen anything like this. I think that Mantle thread was the hobby equivalent of Bear Sterns or something. I don't mean a card industry collapse, but that at the outset of a major problem, no one was really sure who had what.

RookieAddict · 05-31-2019, 10:48 AM

I always thought there was something fishy about these two cards. I have no clue if anything shady happened here but figured I would post them because it is interesting. Check out the sequential serial numbers. Maybe someone had them as quad 10's before black labels became a thing I have no clue.

rob024420 · 05-31-2019, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by DaRitz

I was going to say the same about zero unread emails! Haha.

Good work on the email, Rob. Let us know how the talk goes!

I'm OCD like that. When I get a free second I will give him my number.

cking · 05-31-2019, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Ray27Ray52

This is getting juicier. Will we reach full juice later.

I know you are old enough to get this

3124508 on COMC · 05-31-2019, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by RookieAddict

I always thought there was something fishy about these two cards. I have no clue if anything shady happened here but figured I would post them because it is interesting. Check out the sequential serial numbers. Maybe someone had them as quad 10's before black labels became a thing I have no clue.

Either that or Robert Block.

mrdallas · 05-31-2019, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by WJCIII

I'll have a detailed response, with facts, in the next couple of hours. Stay tuned!

The facts are laid out. But I am sure we will be entertained by your attempt at deflection.

BODA has been amazing. Thank you!!

tonedef2oo8 · 05-31-2019, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

Brian should respond on here. I actually like Leaf a lot. I think they take risks (and fail sometimes), but on the whole they put out attractive and creative sets.

His company's credibility is on the line. I do believe he knows he needs to take action with this employee.

Credibility?

It would take me 10 mins to get started making a list of the shady and or questionable activity they have had since being “razor”

Everything from cherry picking cards, releasing a then unknown sp list to certain supporters, kill the value of their own cards with unannounced better versions, disappearing prizes that show up in their shop. Among others I’m sure I’m forgetting

Collinsfanatic · 05-31-2019, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by WJCIII

I'll have a detailed response, with facts, in the next couple of hours. Stay tuned!

Why wait???? If you had nothing to hide you should just be forthcoming with the information.

rob024420 · 05-31-2019, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by rob024420

I'm OCD like that. When I get a free second I will give him my number.

Number sent, I will update y'all after week speak.

blackbears86 · 05-31-2019, 10:54 AM

In all seriousness, this really pisses me off to no end.

Though I'm upset at the "trimming/conserving" issue, I felt somewhat of a distance from it because I do not deal in high end cards and only rare vintage.

But this one really hits home: I have graded probably about a 100 cards through BGS over the years, done my best to pick out the most discerning cards I could, and like everyone else on these boards put my mistaken faith in them to give me a fair and accurate assessment and grade my cards ethically.

That has all been shattered. The fix is in.

Yes, I know "grading is scam" That point has been nailed in the coffin today.

05-31-2019, 10:45 AM	#88
Triggwildcat Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Location: Kentucky Posts: 965	I'm trying to actually be productive at work but I can't unglue my eyes from this thread. This could actually be the beginning of a downfall for BGS and Leaf, and of course wjc. I'm so happy for all the work some of you guys and gals put into this hobby. __________________ Collector of 2016 bowman draft Easton Mcgee and Cardinals

05-31-2019, 10:47 AM	#90
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	Info on Beckett's Graders One of the things I've been doing since I opened the superdan49@protonmail.com anonymous e-mail tip-line is cultivating sources. Just got this from a very trusted source: Beckett divides their graders into junior and senior graders. "There is no way a junior grader can give those results out." Therefore the culprit working with Joe Clemons is likely one of "the senior graders that have been there for awhile." Beckett: Who graded these cards? Which of your senior graders is involved here? __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

05-31-2019, 10:37 AM	#79
Rooftop Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 3,508	Who in the hell would buy a graded Leaf card?

05-31-2019, 10:41 AM	#86
Davis Member Join Date: Jan 2015 Location: Denver Posts: 6,515	Next up on.....

05-31-2019, 10:44 AM	#87
rcmb3220 Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 4,136	This is the best year ever on blowout forums and we aren’t even at the halfway point!

05-31-2019, 10:48 AM	#92
RookieAddict Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Posts: 1,315 volumeaccumulation	I always thought there was something fishy about these two cards. I have no clue if anything shady happened here but figured I would post them because it is interesting. Check out the sequential serial numbers. Maybe someone had them as quad 10's before black labels became a thing I have no clue.

05-31-2019, 10:54 AM	#100
blackbears86 Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: maine Posts: 17,179 blackbears86	In all seriousness, this really pisses me off to no end. Though I'm upset at the "trimming/conserving" issue, I felt somewhat of a distance from it because I do not deal in high end cards and only rare vintage. But this one really hits home: I have graded probably about a 100 cards through BGS over the years, done my best to pick out the most discerning cards I could, and like everyone else on these boards put my mistaken faith in them to give me a fair and accurate assessment and grade my cards ethically. That has all been shattered. The fix is in. Yes, I know "grading is scam" That point has been nailed in the coffin today.