NYT: "Retouching Mona Lisa Is Restoration, but a Mickey Mantle? Collectors Cry Fraud"

3124508 on COMC · 06-14-2019, 09:26 AM

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/14/y...ype=collection

Brobocop · 06-14-2019, 09:32 AM

Yikes. This is getting to be pretty serious when high profile publications are picking up on the story.

Jamesebee · 06-14-2019, 09:37 AM

The fact that the NY Times picked it up is eye-opening! Wonderful read IMO.

glen87 · 06-14-2019, 09:39 AM

AnthonyCorona · 06-14-2019, 09:39 AM

Crazy! Some BO members have started something potentially huge. Good work by all those members

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NoleinJax · 06-14-2019, 09:40 AM

Well if an article in the NYT doesn't get the attention of BGS and PSA, nothing will. Not a good look for PWCC at all not making any comment.

Cardsfan84 · 06-14-2019, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NoleinJax

Well if an article in the NYT doesn't get the attention of BGS and PSA, nothing will. Not a good look for PWCC at all not making any comment.

I agree it's not a good look, but I'm betting they won't comment because they are under federal investigation.

griffan15 · 06-14-2019, 09:45 AM

Unrelated, but when I click on the article, it shows my Jo Adell 9.5/10 ebay listing inbedded as an ebay ad after the first few paragraphs.

Anyone else see this or was it just targeted to me?

THE(NEXT)LEVEL · 06-14-2019, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by griffan15

Unrelated, but when I click on the article, it shows my Jo Adell 9.5/10 ebay listing inbedded as an ebay ad after the first few paragraphs.

Anyone else see this or was it just targeted to me?

A cookie targeted to you.

griffan15 · 06-14-2019, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

A cookie targeted to you.

Ok good, I hope to buy it from myself.

NoleinJax · 06-14-2019, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

A cookie targeted to you.

You got to love the person that named a tracking "device" something as innocuous as "cookie".

THE(NEXT)LEVEL · 06-14-2019, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by NoleinJax

You got to love the person that named a tracking "device" something as innocuous as "cookie".

Whatever it is, you know what I mean. It’s targeted to him regardless. The NY Times isn’t pimping his auction. Sorry Mr. Tech.

Edit: sorry Nole, misinterpreted your post

factoryofsadnes · 06-14-2019, 09:53 AM

Since someone has been prosecuted and charged with fraud with doing this in the past then there is legal groundwork to pursue the current "collectors" that are trimming cards today. There really should be a large "sting" in the work by the authorities this is huge fraud on a large scale to make millions. In all honesty the FBI should be contacted since it's across many states. People might think it's just a hobby but in fact these guys are scamming people for millions, it's FRAUD.

ThoseBackPages · 06-14-2019, 09:57 AM

lets hope this does not lead to an acceptance of "conservation"

majestik101 · 06-14-2019, 09:58 AM

Wow. The New York Times! Amazing. Bye Bye PWCC

3124508 on COMC · 06-14-2019, 10:03 AM

They need to update their "In the News" page!

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/in-the-news

superdan49 · 06-14-2019, 10:06 AM

I love how Gary Moser blasted PSA. I predict this will not end well for him, on all fronts.

SleeperCards · 06-14-2019, 10:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THE(NEXT)LEVEL

Whatever it is, you know what I mean. It’s targeted to him regardless. The NY Times isn’t pimping his auction. Sorry Mr. Tech.

I believe he was referring to the original person who named it a "cookie", not your use of the correct term.

THE(NEXT)LEVEL · 06-14-2019, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

I love how Gary Moser blasted PSA. I predict this will not end well for him, on all fronts.

I love how he said it depends on the grader you get. I’m sure he would know a lot about this, if it’s an inside job at PSA pushing his crap through.

HarryLime · 06-14-2019, 10:13 AM

Heritage really dodged a bullet there. Reporter mistakenly attributes the original Mantle to PWCC. Haha I don't feel bad for them but I would have liked to see Heritage take a spanking too.

Can't wait to see PWCC's biggest win of the company's history: brand new pairs of bracelets for Brentsy & Gar-Gar!

Arthur

Buysellyell · 06-14-2019, 10:18 AM

I am glad the author was able to coax the trimmer out of hiding to get a quote. Well written article.

anusinha · 06-14-2019, 10:18 AM

This is great, hopefully the authorities are on the case

ClevelandIC · 06-14-2019, 10:19 AM

New York Times subscription is expensive but more than worth it. Incredible writing.

boston12 · 06-14-2019, 10:19 AM

This is kinda sorta big

RogerGodahell · 06-14-2019, 10:26 AM

I don't want to be at the bottom of page 1.

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NoleinJax Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: No clue anymore Posts: 8,742 ilovetheseminoles	Well if an article in the NYT doesn't get the attention of BGS and PSA, nothing will. Not a good look for PWCC at all not making any comment. __________________ Flickr (In Progress):https://www.flickr.com/photos/noleinjax/albums Looking for rare Jameis Winston rookies (Prizm White Sparkle, Gold Vinyl, etc), 1/1's and jersey #'d stuff.

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Brobocop Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Cleveland, OH Posts: 14,215 brobocop2	Yikes. This is getting to be pretty serious when high profile publications are picking up on the story.

06-14-2019, 09:37 AM	#3
Jamesebee Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Back in Minnesota! Posts: 983 jamesebee	The fact that the NY Times picked it up is eye-opening! Wonderful read IMO.

06-14-2019, 09:45 AM	#8
griffan15 Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Sterling, VA Posts: 7,540 griffan15	Unrelated, but when I click on the article, it shows my Jo Adell 9.5/10 ebay listing inbedded as an ebay ad after the first few paragraphs. Anyone else see this or was it just targeted to me?

06-14-2019, 09:53 AM	#13
factoryofsadnes Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: Medina Ohio Posts: 498	Since someone has been prosecuted and charged with fraud with doing this in the past then there is legal groundwork to pursue the current "collectors" that are trimming cards today. There really should be a large "sting" in the work by the authorities this is huge fraud on a large scale to make millions. In all honesty the FBI should be contacted since it's across many states. People might think it's just a hobby but in fact these guys are scamming people for millions, it's FRAUD.

06-14-2019, 09:58 AM	#15
majestik101 Inactive Account Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Socially Distanced Posts: 45,526 majestik101	Wow. The New York Times! Amazing. Bye Bye PWCC

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HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,822	Heritage really dodged a bullet there. Reporter mistakenly attributes the original Mantle to PWCC. Haha I don't feel bad for them but I would have liked to see Heritage take a spanking too. Can't wait to see PWCC's biggest win of the company's history: brand new pairs of bracelets for Brentsy & Gar-Gar! Arthur

06-14-2019, 10:18 AM	#21
Buysellyell Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 132	I am glad the author was able to coax the trimmer out of hiding to get a quote. Well written article. Last edited by Buysellyell; 06-14-2019 at 11:55 AM.

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anusinha Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,105	This is great, hopefully the authorities are on the case

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