To Grade or Not to Grade...That is the ?

gretzky17 · 06-27-2019, 08:38 AM

So I'm new into the prospecting and when I scour the dark corners of the internet (ok, it's just ebay) I see how dramatic the price jumps when a card is a 9.5 or (obviously) higher. As someone who's never been a grader, I guess this goes out there to those that are...to grade or not to grade? and with which company? and who the hell can get either one of even come close to fulfilling their orders in the paid for timeline?

yanman · 06-27-2019, 08:58 AM

In before it is said.

Grading is a scam.

whitesoxfan3579 · 06-27-2019, 09:04 AM

Yup. And there is no such thing as a perfect card.

gretzky17 · 06-27-2019, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by yanman

In before it is said.

Grading is a scam.

it may be but the return is greater by a long shot which is why I ask, in part

mjohnatgt · 06-27-2019, 09:08 AM

Boycott?

pewe · 06-27-2019, 09:09 AM

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Originally Posted by whitesoxfan3579

Yup. And there is no such thing as a perfect card.

This one seems perfect to me, I don’t care what the grade says

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EastonElite · 06-27-2019, 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by pewe

This one seems perfect to me, I don’t care what the grade says

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Except that it is obviously not centered well top to bottom.
But there in lies the scam. Seen worse centered cards get a 10.

Buy the card, not the grade.

ThoseBackPages · 06-27-2019, 09:20 AM

PSA ALL DAY!

MoreToppsPlease · 06-27-2019, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by gretzky17

So I'm new into the prospecting and when I scour the dark corners of the internet (ok, it's just ebay) I see how dramatic the price jumps when a card is a 9.5 or (obviously) higher. As someone who's never been a grader, I guess this goes out there to those that are...to grade or not to grade? and with which company? and who the hell can get either one of even come close to fulfilling their orders in the paid for timeline?

Anything that creates such a dramatic price increase should be met with a high degree of skepticism.

Oh wait, why weren’t people asking themselves this a year or two ago...?

pewe · 06-27-2019, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by EastonElite

Except that it is obviously not centered well top to bottom.

But there in lies the scam. Seen worse centered cards get a 10.

Buy the card, not the grade.

Haha! And that is exactly my point. I have a bunch of beautiful cards that are 9s. In my mind they are “perfect” as they are my PC. And make it affordable

Other examples

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pewe · 06-27-2019, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by EastonElite

Except that it is obviously not centered well top to bottom.

But there in lies the scam. Seen worse centered cards get a 10.

Buy the card, not the grade.

Btw don’t know what it was with that series, but I also have an orange with the same centering issue (actually think it looks worse)... but again, I’m just happy to have it

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gretzky17 · 06-27-2019, 09:59 AM

[QUOTE=pewe;14800634]Btw don’t know what it was with that series, but I also have an orange with the same centering issue (actually think it looks worse)... but again, I’m just happy to have it

Oh I agree totally. I've seen 9's that are gorgeous (in my non-riding mind). But then you see people sell the same auto ungraded for more than the damn 9. That is whacked.

pewe · 06-27-2019, 10:21 AM

[QUOTE=gretzky17;14800711]

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Originally Posted by pewe

Btw don’t know what it was with that series, but I also have an orange with the same centering issue (actually think it looks worse)... but again, I’m just happy to have it

Oh I agree totally. I've seen 9's that are gorgeous (in my non-riding mind). But then you see people sell the same auto ungraded for more than the damn 9. That is whacked.

That is good for you and for me

save the $$, have a great PC!

bulljh · 06-27-2019, 11:39 AM

I would rather spend my money on cards than spend money on someone else’s opinion

Yankees28 · 06-27-2019, 10:55 PM

As a buyer I like to know that the card has undergone some sort of screening to ensure that the card is in good condition and is authentic. Unfortunately that has become quite a topic recently. As a collector I like to slab them because it could help if I decide to sell them in the future. And if not, at the very least it’s in a case that protects it well. But remember, the old saying is true, but the card and not the grade.

chiefs · 06-28-2019, 09:44 AM

Bowman Chrome prospect Autos usually grade with BGS
Vintage and non-auto usually go to PSA

With that being said a 9.5 BGS and PSA 10 are considered similar in terms of condition, however, the final sale price may vary depending on the card.

You can check the break section on this forum and you should see bulk submissions for grading. If you try to do it yourself you usually pay more money and have to figure out the paperwork and it is easier to get experience in the group to figure out what grades well.

EricTownsend88 · 06-28-2019, 10:32 AM

have Joe Clemens submit it for you

ToppsNowFan · 06-28-2019, 10:43 AM

So, tell me, which Auto would you rather have... The 9 or the 10... Both currently listed FS and NOT mine... I'll wait...What a joke...

bulljh · 06-28-2019, 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ToppsNowFan

So, tell me, which Auto would you rather have... The 9 or the 10... Both currently listed FS and NOT mine... I'll wait...What a joke...

Well I see why each card got its grade. Looks like their standards parallel Beckett’s. The bottom card has 2 streaks BUT the line is never broken. The top card has one streak which is the last swipe he makes. You can see the streak line is broken and that’s why it’s a 9 IMO.

marl1220 · 06-28-2019, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bulljh

I would rather spend my money on cards than spend money on someone else’s opinion

Bingo!

TigerEyes · 06-28-2019, 12:09 PM

BGS 10 > PSA 10

ThoseBackPages · 06-28-2019, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerEyes

BGS 10 > PSA 10

water is wet

DaryanLenz · 06-28-2019, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bulljh

Well I see why each card got its grade. Looks like their standards parallel Beckett’s. The bottom card has 2 streaks BUT the line is never broken. The top card has one streak which is the last swipe he makes. You can see the streak line is broken and that’s why it’s a 9 IMO.

Where is the line broken? Zooming in, to my eye, the 9 looks better than the 10.

bulljh · 06-28-2019, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by DaryanLenz

Where is the line broken? Zooming in, to my eye, the 9 looks better than the 10.

If you enhance the image, the line right above the word issue in “Topps certified autograph issue” breaks and then fades off.

Big35Hurt · 06-28-2019, 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by bulljh

I would rather spend my money on cards than spend money on someone else’s opinion

This!!

06-27-2019, 08:38 AM	#1
gretzky17 Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 168	To Grade or Not to Grade...That is the ? So I'm new into the prospecting and when I scour the dark corners of the internet (ok, it's just ebay) I see how dramatic the price jumps when a card is a 9.5 or (obviously) higher. As someone who's never been a grader, I guess this goes out there to those that are...to grade or not to grade? and with which company? and who the hell can get either one of even come close to fulfilling their orders in the paid for timeline?

06-27-2019, 09:20 AM	#8
ThoseBackPages Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Long Island Posts: 89,723 ThoseBackPages	PSA ALL DAY! __________________ Pumpers Paradise #YouCryIBuy Four things that we cannot change each others minds about: Politics, Religion, Third Party Grading, and 2021 Bowman's Best Rookie Cards

06-27-2019, 08:58 AM	#2
yanman Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Virginia Posts: 408	In before it is said. Grading is a scam.

06-27-2019, 09:04 AM	#3
whitesoxfan3579 Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Posts: 2,007 alaa6385-53jvwf	Yup. And there is no such thing as a perfect card.

06-27-2019, 09:08 AM	#5
mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,605 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Boycott?

06-27-2019, 09:59 AM	#12
gretzky17 Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Posts: 168	[QUOTE=pewe;14800634]Btw don’t know what it was with that series, but I also have an orange with the same centering issue (actually think it looks worse)... but again, I’m just happy to have it Oh I agree totally. I've seen 9's that are gorgeous (in my non-riding mind). But then you see people sell the same auto ungraded for more than the damn 9. That is whacked.

06-27-2019, 11:39 AM	#14
bulljh Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Sparks, NV Posts: 6,253 bulljh	I would rather spend my money on cards than spend money on someone else’s opinion

06-27-2019, 10:55 PM	#15
Yankees28 Member Join Date: Jun 2018 Location: Port St. John, FL Posts: 60 Buster28Brown	As a buyer I like to know that the card has undergone some sort of screening to ensure that the card is in good condition and is authentic. Unfortunately that has become quite a topic recently. As a collector I like to slab them because it could help if I decide to sell them in the future. And if not, at the very least it’s in a case that protects it well. But remember, the old saying is true, but the card and not the grade.

06-28-2019, 09:44 AM	#16
chiefs Member Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,392 chiefs	Bowman Chrome prospect Autos usually grade with BGS Vintage and non-auto usually go to PSA With that being said a 9.5 BGS and PSA 10 are considered similar in terms of condition, however, the final sale price may vary depending on the card. You can check the break section on this forum and you should see bulk submissions for grading. If you try to do it yourself you usually pay more money and have to figure out the paperwork and it is easier to get experience in the group to figure out what grades well.

06-28-2019, 10:32 AM	#17
EricTownsend88 Member Join Date: Jan 2017 Posts: 201	have Joe Clemens submit it for you

06-28-2019, 10:43 AM	#18
ToppsNowFan Member Join Date: Feb 2018 Posts: 1,665	So, tell me, which Auto would you rather have... The 9 or the 10... Both currently listed FS and NOT mine... I'll wait...What a joke...

06-28-2019, 12:09 PM	#21
TigerEyes Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 143	BGS 10 > PSA 10