PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[corndog]

PSA Cert #27113387

1948 Leaf Stan Musial RC #4

Value gain of $1,723.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller fxtoys! as a PSA-4 on March 01, 2017 for $760.00. VCP link: (info at top of images)
Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-6 for $2,483.00 on June 06, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1509576

Yellow circles are print or fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify trimmed left edge.

Note: Since there was not a back of card image provided of the PSA 4 listing I did not include the back image from the PSA 6 listing.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #27642997

1948 Leaf Stan Musial RC #4

Value gain of $1,624.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-4 on June 22, 2017 for $777.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1508612
Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-6 for $2,401.00 on December 10, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1598452

Yellow circles are print or fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify trimmed left and right edges.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by corndog

Eleven years ago...

PSA Cert #15277257

1948 Leaf Stan Musial RC #4

Value gain of $1,073.34

There are not many cards that can be tracked from 11 years ago. One can only wonder how many countless others Gary Moser funneled through Brent that have infiltrated the market.

[ken161]

The honorable thing for the grading companies to do would be to publish a complete list of certification numbers of cards submitted by outed card doctors.

Collectors would then be given a 12-month window to submit those cards for review. Cards found doctored would be refunded in full.

My car was recalled recently for a seatbelt issue. If I recall, the update maintenance was free of charge.


At the very least, the grading companies should publish a list of possibly tainted certification numbers, if they do not, they are exposing themselves as fly-by-night shams.

Originally Posted by superdan49

There are not many cards that can be tracked from 11 years ago. One can only wonder how many countless others Gary Moser funneled through Brent that have infiltrated the market.

[VintageBrave]

Originally Posted by ken161

The honorable thing for the grading companies to do would be to publish a complete list of certification numbers of cards submitted by outed card doctors.

Collectors would then be given a 12-month window to submit those cards for review. Cards found doctored would be refunded in full.

My car was recalled recently for a seatbelt issue. If I recall, the update maintenance was free of charge.


At the very least, the grading companies should publish a list of possibly tainted certification numbers, if they do not, they are exposing themselves as fly-by-night shams.

TPG simply don't have enough in reserve to cover such move. The run on the bank would deplete their contingency fund too fast and the financial resources simply aren't deep enough with the other responsible parties to fix this mess.

The TPG strategy will continue to stay quiet and push off as many claims to the other responsible parties as possible. Once these funds dry up, the TPG will tap into their reserve fund. If they can push these claims as far into the future as possible, it will give them time to soften the financial blow.

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:41819238

1909 E90-1 American Caramel Fred Clarke Philadelphia SGC 2 to PSA 6 (w/ PWCC-PQ sticker)
Alteration types: Chemically brightened (damage caused on reverse by chemical soaking)

Sold on 3/23/2018 as a SGC 2 by Mile High Card Co. to an unknown buyer for $514.80
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/14/2018 as a PSA 6 for $1,501.66
Final price: $1,501.66
Value gain: $986.86


This card was possibly undergraded by SGC to begin with, as noted in the Mile High description of the SGC 2: "There is a very slight wave in the paper stock on the reverse in the upper left quadrant that could possibly be taken as a wrinkle, but even so, this seems like a very harsh technical assessment." However, the buyer of this card decided to give it a chemical bath, as the light toning on the back has turned to a brighter white.

Most curiously, the chemicals did some damage to the print on the back around the knob of the leftmost bat, highlighted in a blue box. The ink ran in this spot after the card was dunked in the solution, as you can see some errant ink to the left of the "B" in the word Base Ball, for example. PSA really blew it on this assessment. Nevertheless, Brent from PWCC awarded it a PWCC-PQ sticker. Does he personally know the person who consigned it?

SGC 2: http://www.milehighcardco.com/1909_1...-LOT54349.aspx
PSA 6: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1805358

[corndog]

This card is from a recent Huigens/Moser submission to PSA.

PSA Cert #42775222

1958 Topps Orlando Cepeda RC #343

Value gain of $5,240.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-8 on December 05, 2018 for $860.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1882853
Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-9 for $6,100.00 on May 13, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1977001

Yellow circles are print or fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify color added to red solid. Enlarging the images confirms this. Note that the white spots that show up on the PSA 9 scan are produced by glare from glitches in the plastic holder or on the scanner glass.

[CaptSpaulding]

Great finds on the E90-1 Clarke and 58 Cepeda cards, guys. I should remind people again...these are cards that were listed in the recreated submissions that are known to have contained cards altered by Moser and/or Huigens or his card doctor, Daniel Desmond.

No way 312, Dan and Corndog can identify before pictures of all of those cards listed but at some point after enough cards from those subs turn up as altered it should be assumed those subs are tainted with far more bad cards. The more valuable the card the greater the likelihood the card has been altered.

[corndog]

This card is from a recent Huigens/Moser submission to PSA.

PSA Cert #42775224

1961 Fleer Wilt Chamberlain RC #8

Value gain of $3,156.31

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a BVG-5 on December 10, 2018 for $1,594.69. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1870252
Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-7 for $4,751.00 on March 20, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1930426

Yellow circles are print or fiber identifiers.
Red squares identify the discoloration due to the card being kept in an album with photo tabs. If you look at the BVG 5 image of the back, you can see the triangular shape of the tabs. In the listing description, Brent Huigens refers to the tabs having left "compression marks", which are not mentioned in the PSA 7 listing.

From the BVG-5 listing description: "Harshly graded on account of some very faint impressions left by corner tabs (card was clearly stored in an album at one point)."
From the PSA-7 listing description: "This card appears as if it was just plucked from a wax pack with uncirculated qualities throughout." - No mention of the tab marks that he clearly saw 3 months earlier...

[HarryLime]

He must've popped a little altered chubby when he saw that Chamberlain. Easy money.

Arthur

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

He must've popped a little altered chubby when he saw that Chamberlain. Easy money.

Arthur

And the Wilt rookie is yet one more example of a card on Brent Huigen's PSA submission that has been identified repeatedly to contain altered cards.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by VintageBrave

TPG simply don't have enough in reserve to cover such move. The run on the bank would deplete their contingency fund too fast and the financial resources simply aren't deep enough with the other responsible parties to fix this mess.



The TPG strategy will continue to stay quiet and push off as many claims to the other responsible parties as possible. Once these funds dry up, the TPG will tap into their reserve fund. If they can push these claims as far into the future as possible, it will give them time to soften the financial blow.

Yes, PSA is more likely to declare bankruptcy than to pay off these claims.

The question becomes: when will PSA revoke its money back guarantee?

BGS and SGC don’t have a guarantee, I believe.

[mjohnatgt]

Beckett does not; SGC does for cards graded under its current ownership group. When they bought the company like 10 years ago, they failed to retain the "Guaranty" despite that being in their name. So the high value ones graded at the last National would count for a guarantee.

None of the companies have guarantees for autographs improperly authenticated, including PSA. SGC closed its auto authentication arm months ago after they improperly authenticated 12 1909-11 T206 cards that were signed in the last few years, based on before and after scans of the cards in graded holders without signatures.

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:26614519

1911 T3 Turkey Red #9 Ty Cobb PSA Authentic-Altered to PSA 2
Alteration types: Scuffing card to mask marks, reformed corner

Sold on 12/5/2014 as a PSA Authentic-Altered by Greg Bussineau Auctions to an unknown buyer for $1,260.00
Consigned to PWCC and currently for sale in their 2019 Premier Auction #7



This T3 Cobb Cabinet card was once deemed altered by PSA. The card doctor has cracked it out and added scuffing where the letter "O" was colored in the words "COBB" and "DETROIT." Also, the card doctor has added extra fraying to the lower right front corner perhaps to make the wear look more natural. The odd wavy pattern in the gray border next to the lower right corner may be marks on the PSA holder, or some form of purposely added damage to the card itself by the card doctor. I am not sure.

This card demonstrates that you have to take great caution with any vintage item in PWCC's inventory even now.


PSA AUTH-Altered: http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...&w=2052&h=3227
PSA 2: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2040679

[signed79]

Seideman and Brent Huigens are friends on Facebook.

Seideman is also friends with known card doctor Adam Towle who works for the family business gonewiththestain.com.

The Forbes contributer who writes Brent's puff pieces is directly connected to the fraudster and a card doctor.

[SetBuilder]

That's not the only T3 I bet.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by signed79

Seideman and Brent Huigens are friends on Facebook.

Seideman is also friends with known card doctor Adam Towle who works for the family business gonewiththestain.com.

The Forbes contributer who writes Brent's puff pieces is directly connected to the fraudster and a card doctor.

Not shocking based on the way he covers Brent's ass.

[MoreToppsPlease]

I wonder if Moser's/Towle's/other card doctor's fingerprints are left on these cards.

[corndog]

1911 General Baking Company Butter Krust Cy Young #30

This card was initially purchased by an unknown buyer on April 26, 2015 from Robert Edwards Auctions (REA).
The card was a PSA-3 at that time and the purchase price was $2,400.00.

Below is the card from that auction: (Purchase info from VCP is at the top of each image)

NOTE: Red squares identify areas where color was added to the front after the second purchase.

PSA Cert #04680991



The next time the card reappears, it has been altered and resubmitted to PSA and is given a grade of PSA-2. It is then listed with a PWCC-HE sticker and sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) to an unknown buyer on July 14, 2016 at a loss of $377.00, selling for $2,023.00. Link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1304609

Below is the card from that auction - notice the changes in appearance:

PSA Cert #25776409



The third time the same card reappears, it has been altered further and resubmitted to PSA and is given a grade of PSA-6. It is then listed and sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) to an unknown buyer on March 12, 2017 with a value gain of $4,178.00, selling for $6,201.00. Link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1436131

Below is the card from that auction - notice the further changes in appearance. I used yellow circles to identify dark stains or fibers that remained on the back after both alterations. These same four spots are visible in all three back of card images:

PSA Cert #26669506



Some questions:
1) Who made the first purchase?
2) Who made the second purchase? The masked buyer ID on VCP has an ID of o***3
3) Were there one or two card doctors? The skill on the second alteration where the color was added and back cleaned up nicer was much more articulate than the first.
4) Who submitted the card that achieved the PSA 6? It appears to be a two card submission with 26669506 being the Cy Young card and 26669507 not receiving a number.

[SetBuilder]

Give them more time and that Cy Young will turn into a PSA 9.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Beckett does not; SGC does for cards graded under its current ownership group. When they bought the company like 10 years ago, they failed to retain the "Guaranty" despite that being in their name. So the high value ones graded at the last National would count for a guarantee.

None of the companies have guarantees for autographs improperly authenticated, including PSA. SGC closed its auto authentication arm months ago after they improperly authenticated 12 1909-11 T206 cards that were signed in the last few years, based on before and after scans of the cards in graded holders without signatures.

Where is SGC's guarantee? Link?

[mjohnatgt]

9. Customer acknowledges and agrees the grading and/or authentication of items requires the exercise of individual judgment and professional opinion, which is subjective in nature, and can change from time to time. Therefore, SGC makes no warranty or representation and shall have no liability whatsoever to Customer for the grade or determination of authenticity assigned by SGC to any item.

https://www.gosgc.com/terms

Guess they removed their "Guaranty" once they changed their website. So what does the Guaranty in Sportscard Guaranty Company mean? Or is that why they've reduced it to SGC, like KFC? I wonder if their normal customers know that they no longer have a warranty on their card grades?

[mjohnatgt]

Here's what it used to be...

The SGC Guarantee

SGC guarantees that all cards submitted shall be graded by SGC grading experts in accordance with SGC grading procedures. In the event the owner of an SGC card believes that the card has been overgraded with respect to such procedures, the owner may resubmit the card to SGC for a review of the assigned grade.

If the grade determined under such review is lower than that originally assigned to the card, SGC shall, at SGC's discretion, either replace the card or pay the difference between the current fair market value of the card at the newly established grade and the current fair market value of the grade originally assigned to such card, in the form of either cash or grading credit. Due to the volatile nature of the sportscard market and Internet auctions/sales, the selling prices in these auctions do not necessarily represent the current fair market value of any particular sportscard. SGC will determine the current fair market value of a card which is assigned a lower grade on review, based upon what SGC believes to be reliable current market information. Clerical errors with respect to the description or grade of the card(s) which would be obvious upon inspection shall not be subject to the SGC guarantee stated herein.

http://web.archive.org/web/201707041...Guarantee.aspx

[mjohnatgt]

Cards before the T3 Cobb are not related. Here are the after cards:
26614520 1933 GOUDEY 144 BABE RUTH VG+ 3.5
26614521 1922 E121 AMERICAN CARAMEL SERIES OF 120 "BABE" RUTH PHOTO MONTAGE-SER. 120 VG-EX 4 ***POP 6, 1 HIGHER***
26614522 1933 GOUDEY 149 BABE RUTH VG-EX 4
26614523 1933 GOUDEY 181 BABE RUTH VG-EX 4
26614524 1933 GOUDEY 53 BABE RUTH EX 5
26614525 1921 E121 AMERICAN CARAMEL SERIES OF 80 BABE RUTH VG-EX 4
-missing-
26614527 1933 GOUDEY 106 NAPOLEON LAJOIE VG 3 - super rare card in any condition.
-missing-
26614529 1976 TOPPS 148 WALTER PAYTON NM-MT 8
26614530 1912 T207 BROWN BACKGROUND WALTER JOHNSON PR 1
26614531 1957 TOPPS 138 JOHN UNITAS EX+ 5.5

...
Looks like there's more meat on the bone.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Here's what it used to be...



http://web.archive.org/web/201707041...Guarantee.aspx

Used to be.