More Altered Vintage Up For Sale from PWCC (Mathewson, Appling, Cobb)

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Well, it sounds like the sharpest minds in the Pacific Northwest got together and decided to pull the listing.

Sadly listings only end when intense pressure is put on the fine folks at PWCC. They can never be expected to do that on their own. They have to be forced.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Sadly listings only end when intense pressure is put on the fine folks at PWCC. They can never be expected to do that on their own. They have to be forced.

Its hard to hear over money talking.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Sadly listings only end when intense pressure is put on the fine folks at PWCC. They can never be expected to do that on their own. They have to be forced.

That’s not going to be a good business model for them moving forward as each time they try to sell something illegitimately they’ll get another fresh batch of bad press.

[corndog]

1932 U.S. Caramel Ty Cobb #14

This card is a current live auction listing on Ebay by PWCC. eBay item number:143319263345 - Link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1932-U-S-Caramel-Ty-Cobb-14-PSA-4-VGEX-PWCC-A/143319263345?hash=item215e7e6871:g9EAAOSwKgZdHlOs

The current listing was given a PWCC sticker.

This card was purchased by an unknown buyer from Robert Edwards Auctions (REA) as a PSA-4 on October 28, 2018 for $2,400.00. VCP link:



Same card is a current live auction by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA-4 (no change) . Ebay link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1932-U-S-Caramel-Ty-Cobb-14-PSA-4-VGEX-PWCC-A/143319263345?hash=item215e7e6871:g9EAAOSwKgZdHlOs

Yellow circles are print or fiber identifiers.
The card is noticeably cleaner now and corners have been repaired.

[cypher]

This clown needs to be shut down. How many examples do they need?

[palmetto7]

Im sure the folks that collect high dollar vintage have bucks and friends in high places. They have got to be complaining to attorney generalsand the like to do something about being defrauded by PWCC? Or, are they unaware of the entire situation?

[solt0131]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Its hard to hear over money talking.

When PWCC sells thousands and thousands of high dollar cards for people, when it comes tax time, do they issue 1099's to the owners of these cards?

If they don't issue 1099's, how is the money getting reported as income to the IRS???

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Sadly listings only end when intense pressure is put on the fine folks at PWCC. They can never be expected to do that on their own. They have to be forced.

Brent was perfectly willing to let the T3 Cobb run with a BS addendum buried at the very bottom of the auction listing where literally nobody would see it, and where the addendum itself brazenly stated that the numerical grade on the altered card was proper. He only ended it when the consignor told him to do so. Even in this atmosphere, PWCC is continuing to commit fraud. It's astonishing. As for all their other listings, I guess it's catch me if you can.

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Brent was perfectly willing to let the T3 Cobb run with a BS addendum buried at the very bottom of the auction listing where literally nobody would see it, and where the addendum itself brazenly stated that the numerical grade on the altered card was proper. He only ended it when the consignor told him to do so. Even in this atmosphere, PWCC is continuing to commit fraud. It's astonishing. As for all their other listings, I guess it's catch me if you can.

No different than Brent disputing that the Jordan PMG green wasn’t altered. But hey, PWCC isn’t a third-party grading company, and they rely on the opinions of the professionals, right?

[dhendrix1303]

This would be a great case from a new rookie with the FBI to pick up and make a name for himself... just sayin

[bigunitcards]

Originally Posted by dhendrix1303

This would be a great case from a new rookie with the FBI to pick up and make a name for himself... just sayin

Trust no 10s, Mr Mulder

[signed79]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Brent was perfectly willing to let the T3 Cobb run with a BS addendum buried at the very bottom of the auction listing where literally nobody would see it, and where the addendum itself brazenly stated that the numerical grade on the altered card was proper. He only ended it when the consignor told him to do so. Even in this atmosphere, PWCC is continuing to commit fraud. It's astonishing. As for all their other listings, I guess it's catch me if you can.

The seller, Jesse Arnot , called Brent and they discussed what to do over the phone. They apparently decided on that description together. Jesse Arnot got backlash on net54 and decided to fold under pressure and have Brent pull it.

I don't think it's a coincidence Jesse Arnot had an altered card in PWCC'S auction.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by signed79

The seller, Jesse Arnot , called Brent and they discussed what to do over the phone. They apparently decided on that description together. Jesse Arnot got backlash on net54 and decided to fold under pressure and have Brent pull it.

I don't think it's a coincidence Jesse Arnot had an altered card in PWCC'S auction.

I just read through some of that guy's posts on Net54. The next time he tries to defend PWCC's antics, I trust he will be reminded of this T3 Cobb incident. You can't buy back credibility, and his is now next to zero.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Brent was perfectly willing to let the T3 Cobb run with a BS addendum buried at the very bottom of the auction listing where literally nobody would see it, and where the addendum itself brazenly stated that the numerical grade on the altered card was proper. He only ended it when the consignor told him to do so. Even in this atmosphere, PWCC is continuing to commit fraud. It's astonishing. As for all their other listings, I guess it's catch me if you can.

Yup. For a $330 commission on a 3K card Brent was willing to once again go to all lengths to sell another altered card. His last post here he said he was working with law enforcement and going to make it right in regards to selling altered cards but instead he reaffirms the grade on this card even after being shown evidence to the contrary. A life of nothing but fraud, deceit and deception for this guy. He will do anything at all for the thrill of a sale. Until someone pulls the plug on his entire operation he is not going to stop defrauding people.

Though Jesse ended up doing what was right in the end, he only did so only after being pummeled on Net54. He should have insisted the listing been ended the instant the alteration was pointed out. Sadly Jesse is an enormous supporter of Brent's and to that I do not understand. I get he did not want to get stuck with an altered card but he has recourse with the person who sold it to him and this is also a perfect example of where PSA's guarantee should kick in.

[KhalDrogo]

Jesse Arnot dug his own grave and put himself in it last night. Hope it was worth it.

As for Brent, desperate times call for desperate measures.

[Bruins1993]

I posted this in the '52 thread but wanted to post here too.

I'd like to see Brent Add Details To Item Description that this card is "Conserved" he presently has up for auction with 7 days to go:

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

*UNDISCLOSED AS "CONSERVED" AS OF 7/7/2019 @ 9:00PM PT*

Current listing (SGC 7):
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1934-Goudey...E/143319268524

HISTORY:

Formerly SGC 6 (1227172-004) with stains very visible :


Stains removed from top upper border on the front/back ---> SGC 7 (1267271-008)

Sold by REA 5/12/2012 for $5,875 :



Displayed on Net54 in 2013 as altered SGC (1227172-004). --->

Reholdered SGC (0205360) --->

Sold Dec 4th, 2018 by PWCC with "PWCC-PQ" sticker for $8,100 :




Up for auction again presently from PWCC with PWCC-E" sticker :

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

I posted this in the '52 thread but wanted to post here too.

I'd like to see Brent Add Details To Item Description that this card is "Conserved" he presently has up for auction with 7 days to go:

According to Brent's youtube interview at the 28 minute mark where he stated he cannot edit an eBay description once the auction has started and that eBay will not even let him make such an edit is intentionally misleading. You can make a worthless edit at the very end of the description, as he did with Jesse's T3 Cobb however that is not a significant edit as nobody will see it.

The more proper thing to do is to end the listing and redo the description to reflect the truth about the card. Brent should have and could have mentioned the alteration in his initial write up because most of these cards we are finding he knew before he did the descriptions that the cards were altered. We know this because in many instances he submitted these very cards to PSA or SGC. Further he is a champion of conservation for cards so why not disclose it upfront?

This listing and many others that are live should be ended but he will not do it. He was willing to sell a 3K T3 Cobb that was shown to have been altered and did not want to end it. No chance he ends the 34 Gehrig.

[mjohnatgt]

And SGC removed their Grade Guarantee recently, so it's a good question of what would happen to this SGC 7 card that had the stain removed. Maybe the guy who bought it in December can take it back to SGC for his $8K if they still had the Grade Guarantee at that time?

[CaptSpaulding]

Brent has just ended two listings. A 1939 Playball Joe DiMaggio PSA 7 that he certified for eye appeal and has a cert number that is part of a submission of cards already identified as having been altered. Here is a link to the auction.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1939-Play-B...orig_cvip=true

He also ended an E96 Lajoie PSA 6 which was also given a certification for eye appeal, https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-E96-Ph...p2047675.l2557, and may or my not have already been posted on BO as having been altered...too many cards to recall. I was suspect of some of his listings that would have been included in a submission with this Lajoie card.

I am not certain if these cards were ended because Brent knew they were altered but he does not like to end auctions, as we know and they do both have the eye appeal certification which is an indication this card belongs to Brent, Moser or an insider. I will post the submission for both of these cert runs with the others.

[CaptSpaulding]

Well I am not as fancy as 312, Corndog and Dan but looks like somebody won the E96 Lajoie out of REA https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=54840, worked the corners and had a few stains removed, sent it to PSA, got a bump in grade and that same person put a sticker on it and listed it https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-E96-Ph...p2047675.l2557 and wisely ended it thereby admitting that he doctored the card. Atta boy Brent!

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Well I am not as fancy as 312, Corndog and Dan but looks like somebody won the E96 Lajoie out of REA https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=54840, worked the corners and had a few stains removed, sent it to PSA, got a bump in grade and that same person put a sticker on it and listed it https://www.ebay.com/itm/1910-E96-Ph...p2047675.l2557 and wisely ended it thereby admitting that he doctored the card. Atta boy Brent!

Sounds like the WWG DiMaggio. Hmmmm.... so Brent is more than a broker?

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Sounds the the WWG DiMaggio. Hmmmm.... so Brent is more than a broker?

Indeed. Brent does not just sell altered cards...

[CaptSpaulding]

Well not that this should come as a shock to anyone but Brent did end the 39 PB Joe D PSA 7 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1939-Play-B...orig_cvip=true that he had certified for eye appeal (in an unbiased process of course) due to it having altered it. This card is part of a submission to PSA that had other cards he submitted which had been altered. This fine specimen was purchased out of REA in a PSA 5. https://bid.robertedwardauctions.com...e?itemid=55266

As with the E96 Lajoie, which Brent also "voluntarily" ended, I have no idea if he bought these cards from REA but I do know they are both altered, both had stickers and both are on PSA submissions that appear to have been made by him because he is selling or sold a number of cards from the PSA submissions.

Hoping 312, Corndog or Dan can do their thing with the before and after images and post them on the 52 Mantle thread.

[NorCalSCM]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

#OneDayCloserToThat1952Topps311

This ^

[3124508 on COMC]

Is he going to let the first three cards in the OP run?