Marco Luciano - Page 4

enyouartist · 07-11-2019, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by kordell1

At least provide a link to this "reputable article".
I have photographic proof that he is actually only 12 years old.

Haha. What movie is that from? Hilarious!

Chuck Bartowski · 07-11-2019, 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by enyouartist

Haha. What movie is that from? Hilarious!

Benchwarmers

Hail2TheVictors · 07-11-2019, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by VandyCards

Same can be said for 17 games.

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17 is far greater than 1. What he’s doing, from a slugging standpoint, is very rare. And he was very highly regarded in his int’l class - ranked ahead of wander (at #1) by one outlet I think.

Combine the production with that and you have a really good prospect imo.

psd2k10 · 07-11-2019, 04:03 PM

his 2019 1st bowman chrome megas look oh so sharp!!!

VandyCards · 07-11-2019, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

17 is far greater than 1. What he’s doing, from a slugging standpoint, is very rare. And he was very highly regarded in his int’l class - ranked ahead of wander (at #1) by one outlet I think.

Combine the production with that and you have a really good prospect imo.

He and Wander were not in the same Int'l class.

He is a fantastic prospect. But I'm also reminded of a 17 year old shortstop from the DR who slashed 355/404/610 in the AZL fairly recently who sells for, well, nothing now.

It is about as good a start as you could hope for, but I'm far more interested in first-hand reports than I am interested in stats.

I'm a fan, I bought in big on his Panini cards when they first came out (slightly cheaper buy-in than his Bowman, lol). But just because 17>1 does not mean 17 is statistically significant.

Hail2TheVictors · 07-11-2019, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by VandyCards

He and Wander were not in the same Int'l class.

He is a fantastic prospect. But I'm also reminded of a 17 year old shortstop from the DR who slashed 355/404/610 in the AZL fairly recently who sells for, well, nothing now.

It is about as good a start as you could hope for, but I'm far more interested in first-hand reports than I am interested in stats.

I'm a fan, I bought in big on his Panini cards when they first came out (slightly cheaper buy-in than his Bowman, lol). But just because 17>1 does not mean 17 is statistically significant.

Im not saying 17 is statistically significant - but it’s more important than a report from 1 game imo.

I guess I got that mixed up with wander. Regardless, the guy is highly touted and his production matches it to date.

You can play that game with everyone. There are examples of guys who did the same, at the same level, and flamed out. And examples of those who excelled. So I’m not sure why that is a point of emphasis here.

And I really don’t put much into someone reporting from 1 game. 3-4 games, sure. I certainly do not put that as more important than actual numbers. But to each their own. This isn’t trying to dog Peru, I just think it’s a bit of a dramatic post from 1 game.

psd2k10 · 07-11-2019, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by VandyCards

He and Wander were not in the same Int'l class.

He is a fantastic prospect. But I'm also reminded of a 17 year old shortstop from the DR who slashed 355/404/610 in the AZL fairly recently who sells for, well, nothing now.

It is about as good a start as you could hope for, but I'm far more interested in first-hand reports than I am interested in stats.

I'm a fan, I bought in big on his Panini cards when they first came out (slightly cheaper buy-in than his Bowman, lol). But just because 17>1 does not mean 17 is statistically significant.

not sure why but i literally stopped reading when I saw "panini". hahaha

rwperu34 · 07-16-2019, 02:26 AM

I missed the rest of this conversation because I went on a trip to see Heliot twice (and the Trout/Pujols HR game the day after the no-no). I'll reiterate what I said earlier. Ramos was as good or better than Luciano at 17 and he's clearly better right now.

Do I need to remind you that Heliot slugged .645 with a .295 ISO in the AZL at the same age? Luciano isn't doing anything historic. He's on a hot streak. He's also facing weaker competition as the AZL is 21 teams this year, down from 15 in 2017. The pitching I"ve seen so far has been terrible.

Luciano isn't even the best prospect that I've seen in the AZL this year. That nod goes to CJ Abrams. And keep in mind while I sat next to Bobby Witt Sr. for a game, Jr. didn't play so I haven't seen the #2 overall pick (and won't).

My in person reports are meant to be a compliment to stats. Batting wise I"m going to lean towards the numbers in the end with only slight adjustments. Where the in person can really help out is physicality and defense. It typically only takes me a game or two in person to get a good feel for defense and of course to get body type he doesn't even need to play...I just need to know what number he is.

Kcelelli · 07-16-2019, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rwperu34

I missed the rest of this conversation because I went on a trip to see Heliot twice (and the Trout/Pujols HR game the day after the no-no). I'll reiterate what I said earlier. Ramos was as good or better than Luciano at 17 and he's clearly better right now.

Do I need to remind you that Heliot slugged .645 with a .295 ISO in the AZL at the same age? Luciano isn't doing anything historic. He's on a hot streak. He's also facing weaker competition as the AZL is 21 teams this year, down from 15 in 2017. The pitching I"ve seen so far has been terrible.

Luciano isn't even the best prospect that I've seen in the AZL this year. That nod goes to CJ Abrams. And keep in mind while I sat next to Bobby Witt Sr. for a game, Jr. didn't play so I haven't seen the #2 overall pick (and won't).

My in person reports are meant to be a compliment to stats. Batting wise I"m going to lean towards the numbers in the end with only slight adjustments. Where the in person can really help out is physicality and defense. It typically only takes me a game or two in person to get a good feel for defense and of course to get body type he doesn't even need to play...I just need to know what number he is.

I cant quite tell what your point is? To knock down Luciano and pump Ramos despite the two being at different stages of development?

jv25 · 07-16-2019, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kcelelli

I cant quite tell what your point is? To knock down Luciano and pump Ramos despite the two being at different stages of development?

Sometimes people just like to talk about baseball and players. And isn't always about inflation or deflation of prices for cards.....

rwperu34 · 07-16-2019, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Kcelelli

I cant quite tell what your point is? To knock down Luciano and pump Ramos despite the two being at different stages of development?

My original point was that Luciano isn't some generational talent. He's similar (although behind) where Ramos was two years ago, and neither has/had a case for top 10 then or now.

I've been the high guy on Ramos from the git-go and I've still only got him maybe in the top 50, maybe not.

Hail2TheVictors · 07-16-2019, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Kcelelli

I cant quite tell what your point is? To knock down Luciano and pump Ramos despite the two being at different stages of development?

The plug back to heliot was where I just had to laugh.

SirTommyWinAlot · 07-16-2019, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rwperu34

My original point was that Luciano isn't some generational talent. He's similar (although behind) where Ramos was two years ago, and neither has/had a case for top 10 then or now.

I've been the high guy on Ramos from the git-go and I've still only got him maybe in the top 50, maybe not.

I like them both as players but I only have Luciano. Don't really care if Ramos ends up the better player. It's adios amigo once Luciano hits the bigs.

Hail2TheVictors · 07-16-2019, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by rwperu34

I missed the rest of this conversation because I went on a trip to see Heliot twice (and the Trout/Pujols HR game the day after the no-no). I'll reiterate what I said earlier. Ramos was as good or better than Luciano at 17 and he's clearly better right now.

Do I need to remind you that Heliot slugged .645 with a .295 ISO in the AZL at the same age? Luciano isn't doing anything historic. He's on a hot streak. He's also facing weaker competition as the AZL is 21 teams this year, down from 15 in 2017. The pitching I"ve seen so far has been terrible.

Luciano isn't even the best prospect that I've seen in the AZL this year. That nod goes to CJ Abrams. And keep in mind while I sat next to Bobby Witt Sr. for a game, Jr. didn't play so I haven't seen the #2 overall pick (and won't).

My in person reports are meant to be a compliment to stats. Batting wise I"m going to lean towards the numbers in the end with only slight adjustments. Where the in person can really help out is physicality and defense. It typically only takes me a game or two in person to get a good feel for defense and of course to get body type he doesn't even need to play...I just need to know what number he is.

No one has said he’s doing anything historic. My exact comment was his 13 xbh in 17 games was ridiculous. And that’s a fact.

And that’s fine that you think Abrams is more impressive. And that the pitching is terrible. Those are starting to look like opinions to support you minimizing Luciano.

rwperu34 · 07-16-2019, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Hail2TheVictors

No one has said he’s doing anything historic. My exact comment was his 13 xbh in 17 games was ridiculous. And that’s a fact.

And that’s fine that you think Abrams is more impressive. And that the pitching is terrible. Those are starting to look like opinions to support you minimizing Luciano.

15 to 21 teams is a fact amid plenty of opinions.

That said, Abrams stats (opinion) and draft position/signing bonus (fact) are better. Heliot also got a bigger bonus than Luciano (fact). Bobby Witt Jr who I missed in my attempt to see him also had a higher bonus/draft position than Luciano (fact). So that's two guys in the same league plus Heliot that would all need to be in the top 10 for Luciano to be a top 10 prospect. Plus Wander, Bichette, Adell...etc.

The reason I bring up Heliot of today is because for Luciano to be a top 10 prospects he's either got to be a better prospect than Heliot right now or Heliot is a higher ranked top 10 prospect.

It is all in support of the "opinion" that Luciano as a top 10 prospect right now (needed to justify his current price) is ludicrous.

rwperu34 · 07-16-2019, 06:26 PM

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My exact comment was his 13 xbh in 17 games was ridiculous. And that’s a fact.

I don't know why I let this slide. 13 XBH in 17 games is not ridiculous. It's just a hot streak. I wouldn't be surprised if every single halfway decent power hitter hasn't had a 13 in 17 streak at some point. I mean, sure you'll be able to find one or two. But for the most part that's just how streaks work. The only reason Luciano seems ridiculous is because it's his first 17 games. If he keeps it up over say 50 games, then we can talk. Keep it up over 150 games and we don't even need to talk.

awz50 · 07-16-2019, 06:44 PM

People get so excited over prospects and so rowdy

Hail2TheVictors · 07-16-2019, 07:39 PM

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Originally Posted by rwperu34

I don't know why I let this slide. 13 XBH in 17 games is not ridiculous. It's just a hot streak. I wouldn't be surprised if every single halfway decent power hitter hasn't had a 13 in 17 streak at some point. I mean, sure you'll be able to find one or two. But for the most part that's just how streaks work. The only reason Luciano seems ridiculous is because it's his first 17 games. If he keeps it up over say 50 games, then we can talk. Keep it up over 150 games and we don't even need to talk.

“I don’t know how I let this slide”. Lol. Good grief.

The difference is these were his first 17 games.

There is a big difference in referencing a guys career, and having hit 13 in 17 games and talking about a guy doing it in his first 17 games. Yes, Luciano having 13 xbh in his first 17 games is ridiculous.

awz50 · 07-16-2019, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by rwperu34

I don't know why I let this slide. 13 XBH in 17 games is not ridiculous. It's just a hot streak. I wouldn't be surprised if every single halfway decent power hitter hasn't had a 13 in 17 streak at some point. I mean, sure you'll be able to find one or two. But for the most part that's just how streaks work. The only reason Luciano seems ridiculous is because it's his first 17 games. If he keeps it up over say 50 games, then we can talk. Keep it up over 150 games and we don't even need to talk.

This statement is just so bad ass

I'll be afraid when I enter tempe next time

SaveMeTheGum · 07-16-2019, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

People get so excited over prospects and so rowdy

My 17 year old man-boy crush is better than yours!

rwperu34 · 07-16-2019, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by awz50

This statement is just so bad ass

I'll be afraid when I enter tempe next time

Come on out and see D'backs and Angels AZL on Saturday! I promise I won't bite

Pasmith16 · 07-17-2019, 04:53 AM

I’m in on both guys pretty evenly. The potential for Luciano is way higher.

awz50 · 07-17-2019, 05:15 AM

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Come on out and see D'backs and Angels AZL on Saturday! I promise I won't bite

Hopefully Corbin hits a homerun for ya!

awz50 · 07-17-2019, 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SaveMeTheGum

My 17 year old man-boy crush is better than yours!

Not even legal yet and they cant get enough

pcarlson05 · 01-15-2020, 10:48 PM

Marco is the new #1 Giants prospect in BA’s latest rankings, which is surprising because he is ranking ahead of Joey Bart, who finished 2019 as BA’s #15 overall prospect. Marco was #61 on that list I believe.

Rank him as 60 hit, 70 power, 65 overall. Described him as “scintillating” and “a prodigy”. Gonna be a fun year on baseball for prospects I think.

07-16-2019, 02:26 AM	#83
rwperu34 Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 8,324	I missed the rest of this conversation because I went on a trip to see Heliot twice (and the Trout/Pujols HR game the day after the no-no). I'll reiterate what I said earlier. Ramos was as good or better than Luciano at 17 and he's clearly better right now. Do I need to remind you that Heliot slugged .645 with a .295 ISO in the AZL at the same age? Luciano isn't doing anything historic. He's on a hot streak. He's also facing weaker competition as the AZL is 21 teams this year, down from 15 in 2017. The pitching I"ve seen so far has been terrible. Luciano isn't even the best prospect that I've seen in the AZL this year. That nod goes to CJ Abrams. And keep in mind while I sat next to Bobby Witt Sr. for a game, Jr. didn't play so I haven't seen the #2 overall pick (and won't). My in person reports are meant to be a compliment to stats. Batting wise I"m going to lean towards the numbers in the end with only slight adjustments. Where the in person can really help out is physicality and defense. It typically only takes me a game or two in person to get a good feel for defense and of course to get body type he doesn't even need to play...I just need to know what number he is. __________________ Me: Did I win? Gixen: Yes. You won. Now you're broke.

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pcarlson05 Member Join Date: Mar 2018 Location: Texas Posts: 2,162	Marco is the new #1 Giants prospect in BA’s latest rankings, which is surprising because he is ranking ahead of Joey Bart, who finished 2019 as BA’s #15 overall prospect. Marco was #61 on that list I believe. Rank him as 60 hit, 70 power, 65 overall. Described him as “scintillating” and “a prodigy”. Gonna be a fun year on baseball for prospects I think.