First Buzz: 2019 Topps Star Wars Chrome Legacy

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by PoPCulture

Yep. It seems as the thread for every new set goes well for about 2 weeks after release then turns into “Rose is the Devil” and “TLJ broke my Star Wars” arguments. Cards must be boring.

The real topic was initially the shock at her card selling so high.

It doesn't phase me as there's people who'd pay $50 on launch day for a Greg Proops auto when he's like $13 now.

There's always outliers and especially after someone signs more it'll settle down.

Just look at people's expectations for Jackson going into Stellar 2. Pretty sure someone said they had a buyer lined up at $2k for Jackson when the set launched and now he's like $700ish.

Same thing will happen to Ewan with Stellar 3 and depending if he hits /25 on MW5.

The market for this set doesn't seem super strong though, with a few decent supers selling around $100 compared to people asking $350-$500 for theirs.

And if the parallels had patterns to them it'd be a different story. Without them the parallels are boring.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by PoPCulture

Yep. It seems as the thread for every new set goes well for about 2 weeks after release then turns into “Rose is the Devil” and “TLJ broke my Star Wars” arguments. Cards must be boring.

When I went to Disney World last year, I overheard a few conversations from people that made you think that Kathleen Kennedy Rian Johnson came to their house, shot their dog, pooped in their water tank, spit in their face, and gave them an invoice for services rendered.

At the end of the day, the bigger the fandom, the more outcry there will be from fans that didn't get every single thing they wanted.

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

When I went to Disney World last year, I overheard a few conversations from people that made you think that Kathleen Kennedy Rian Johnson came to their house, shot their dog, pooped in their water tank, spit in their face, and gave them an invoice for services rendered.

At the end of the day, the bigger the fandom, the more outcry there will be from fans that didn't get every single thing they wanted.

Last things I'll say on this, since this isn't a TLJ movie talk post, if that you don't radically change course 40 years and 7 movies into a franchise.

Whatever new ideas he had should've been saved for his own trilogy and the core mythos should've been maintained without throwing it all away as hokey. Especially after Han's big 360 in TFA saying all of it is true and believing in the force finally!


Mary Poppins Leia was super cringy, people audibly laughed once they realized this wasn't Leia's death send-off.

Ackbar was sucked out the same window, while he could've been the mastermind of the Holdo maneuver.

Holdo fan-girling in front of Leia and going "oh, no you say it" before delivering the "may the force be with you" line also made me cringe.

Star Wars isn't dead to me, like some people claim, I'll still watch the new stuff, but I'll always wonder what could've been.

It's the same thing with if Spider-Man 3 didn't suck, we could've had the 4th with Lizard!

[eldavojohn]

For the people that are upset that a Tran auto "oversold" let's try to employ the most minutest amount of logic:

Situation A) Tran rookie auto sells for $5
Situation B) Tran rookie auto sells for $500

Okay let's set aside whether or not Rose was the best or worst character. We're all on this forum, we're all sitting on some amount of star wars autographs and sketches. The secondary market is really not healthy right now to the point of that being the general topic of discussion for every single release. So you, as a collector, see a card you either like or don't like sell for orders of magnitude more than you thought. Shouldn't you be happy? Shouldn't you be ecstatic that it might be a sign that one day breaking cases can be fun AND possibly value positive? Shouldn't a strong secondary market (even if it is just a few cards) make you feel better about your own cards?

What does it matter whether or not you like the Rose character? Any upswing of valuation even of first timers indicates a set that might stand on its own two legs.

So really when you roll into this set whine whine whine and you roll into the next set and the next and the next set to whine and complain that a Rian Johnson auto sold for a billion dollars, just think for a minute about it. It's a cast of thousands of characters, it's okay you don't like one or two. But every freaking chance you get to talk about it, this forum has to suffer.

Cards sell too low, we gotta read through comments complaining about the 99 cent auctions. Cards sell too high, we gotta read through comments complaining that it's not their favorite character.

[ec0202]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

For the people that are upset that a Tran auto "oversold" let's try to employ the most minutest amount of logic:

Situation A) Tran rookie auto sells for $5
Situation B) Tran rookie auto sells for $500

Okay let's set aside whether or not Rose was the best or worst character. We're all on this forum, we're all sitting on some amount of star wars autographs and sketches. The secondary market is really not healthy right now to the point of that being the general topic of discussion for every single release. So you, as a collector, see a card you either like or don't like sell for orders of magnitude more than you thought. Shouldn't you be happy? Shouldn't you be ecstatic that it might be a sign that one day breaking cases can be fun AND possibly value positive? Shouldn't a strong secondary market (even if it is just a few cards) make you feel better about your own cards?

What does it matter whether or not you like the Rose character? Any upswing of valuation even of first timers indicates a set that might stand on its own two legs.

So really when you roll into this set whine whine whine and you roll into the next set and the next and the next set to whine and complain that a Rian Johnson auto sold for a billion dollars, just think for a minute about it. It's a cast of thousands of characters, it's okay you don't like one or two. But every freaking chance you get to talk about it, this forum has to suffer.

Cards sell too low, we gotta read through comments complaining about the 99 cent auctions. Cards sell too high, we gotta read through comments complaining that it's not their favorite character.

That's a great point! At the end of the day, it's about collecting what/who you like & if people are willing to pay a bit more to make sure they get something they want/love in their collection that's their choice.

For me, I picked up the first Ewan McGregor Auto #/10 for $950 (even though I thought a realistic value would be around $650-800, but because this is the version I really want (especially the image they chose on the Chrome autograph) instead of the Masterwork or Stellar, I chose to pay a premium. Not to mention, I thought it was well worth it since it was a little bit over a case price and this was a guarantee for me to get the card. Just my thoughts.

[eldavojohn]

Originally Posted by ec0202

That's a great point! At the end of the day, it's about collecting what/who you like & if people are willing to pay a bit more to make sure they get something they want/love in their collection that's their choice.

For me, I picked up the first Ewan McGregor Auto #/10 for $950 (even though I thought a realistic value would be around $650-800, but because this is the version I really want (especially the image they chose on the Chrome autograph) instead of the Masterwork or Stellar, I chose to pay a premium. Not to mention, I thought it was well worth it since it was a little bit over a case price and this was a guarantee for me to get the card. Just my thoughts.

That's a bit steep on the McGregor and you might regret it 1.5 years from now but I bet 5 years from now you are not regretting it. Certain sets that were "the first" do so much better than the Nth High Tek set -- especially when they're hard signed!

It's a beautiful card, I'm envious!

[ec0202]

Originally Posted by eldavojohn

That's a bit steep on the McGregor and you might regret it 1.5 years from now but I bet 5 years from now you are not regretting it. Certain sets that were "the first" do so much better than the Nth High Tek set -- especially when they're hard signed!

It's a beautiful card, I'm envious!

I agree with you that it's definitely a bit more for McGregor but since this is THE CARD that I want for my personal collection, I was okay with paying that price, especially not knowing how many copies would become available. I know most people would rather have Ford or Hamill or Fisher, but for me Ewan on a card is on the top of that list, so I think that also plays a factor

I think if someone just wants a McGregor autograph, it would definitely be cheaper to wait until Stellar. It really is a beautiful card and it looks even better in person.

[Sharard]

Still curious about this release is still not a single sighting of some of the cards on the checklist. I mean not even from various Facebook, Instagram type places. I mean you’d think if any one hitting a ford or fisher type hits least would post it like we saw with Ewan and Rose. If I missed it, maybe someone here can point it out.

And eBay sales are very up and down .. seems some auctions are ok and some do poorly. Master sets look strong still . What’s funny is I see same cards selling parallels for 99 cents but people who list same card it like it at 1.99 or 2.99 get that price too.

And agree with above... with a lot people here it’s not half glass or half full, it’s what happened my other half .

[DarthRogahn]

This is a beautiful base set
The inserts, parallels look great
Too bad the auto set was week

Congrats on the McGregor it is one sharp looking card

[ec0202]

Originally Posted by DarthRogahn

This is a beautiful base set
The inserts, parallels look great
Too bad the auto set was week

Congrats on the McGregor it is one sharp looking card

Thank you!

[kyle1707]

Originally Posted by Sharard

Still curious about this release is still not a single sighting of some of the cards on the checklist. I mean not even from various Facebook, Instagram type places. I mean you’d think if any one hitting a ford or fisher type hits least would post it like we saw with Ewan and Rose. If I missed it, maybe someone here can point it out.

And eBay sales are very up and down .. seems some auctions are ok and some do poorly. Master sets look strong still . What’s funny is I see same cards selling parallels for 99 cents but people who list same card it like it at 1.99 or 2.99 get that price too.

And agree with above... with a lot people here it’s not half glass or half full, it’s what happened my other half .

There are only a couple 100 autos for sale and completed

I think the answer is no one is opening it

Wondering if 50 maybe 100 cases have been broke

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by Sharard

Still curious about this release is still not a single sighting of some of the cards on the checklist. I mean not even from various Facebook, Instagram type places. I mean you’d think if any one hitting a ford or fisher type hits least would post it like we saw with Ewan and Rose. If I missed it, maybe someone here can point it out.



And eBay sales are very up and down .. seems some auctions are ok and some do poorly. Master sets look strong still . What’s funny is I see same cards selling parallels for 99 cents but people who list same card it like it at 1.99 or 2.99 get that price too.



And agree with above... with a lot people here it’s not half glass or half full, it’s what happened my other half .

There’s maybe 6 copies of the rarest signers, so it’s not that hard to believe this early in release.

The only dual we have seen so far is daniels/barclay and we’ve seen /25, /10 and now the super hit, but no others.

Simple fact is, even if TOPPS put all of them into packs, there’s over 900 cases and like 30 of them will have a big hit like those.


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[Sharard]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

There’s maybe 6 copies of the rarest signers, so it’s not that hard to believe this early in release.

The only dual we have seen so far is daniels/barclay and we’ve seen /25, /10 and now the super hit, but no others.

Simple fact is, even if TOPPS put all of them into packs, there’s over 900 cases and like 30 of them will have a big hit like those.


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Wish I could argue those points ,but I can’t. Well said. Put like that, it makes sense.

[ForceChange77]

Its pretty criminal that Topps can advertise these big stars without posting odds of hitting the tough cards. Scream about Upper Deck all you want, but at least they put group odds for autos.

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by ForceChange77

Its pretty criminal that Topps can advertise these big stars without posting odds of hitting the tough cards. Scream about Upper Deck all you want, but at least they put group odds for autos.

I guess it's the same as a lottery ticket front saying win $100,000, except like you noted they tell you the jackpot odds, whereas topps hides them.

Except...my tracker quickly shows the truth of a set and once people see the visual its eye opening to some.

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star wars hit tracker spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk

[ForceChange77]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

I guess it's the same as a lottery ticket front saying win $100,000, except like you noted they tell you the jackpot odds, whereas topps hides them.

Except...my tracker quickly shows the truth of a set and once people see the visual its eye opening to some.

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star wars hit tracker spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...t?usp=drivesdk

Honestly, this is why I prefer more signers in a checklist than less. Every case is guaranteed a Jerome Blake it seems. Same with Rusty and/or Barclay and or Herring and/or Blakiston. At least with a bigger signing list, you may get a variety of autos.

I understand this set is not about the autos per se, but when "hits" like Jerome Blake are selling for $1.25, it seems absolutely nuts to open this stuff at $100 or whatever people are charging now.

[Vargaman]

Originally Posted by ForceChange77

Honestly, this is why I prefer more signers in a checklist than less. Every case is guaranteed a Jerome Blake it seems. Same with Rusty and/or Barclay and or Herring and/or Blakiston. At least with a bigger signing list, you may get a variety of autos.

I understand this set is not about the autos per se, but when "hits" like Jerome Blake are selling for $1.25, it seems absolutely nuts to open this stuff at $100 or whatever people are charging now.

That's true, if they have more they can all be /50 or lower, but they're at least rotated the low-end signers a bit, but yeah it's basically a bloodbath on auto resales with this set.

I got Proops for like $13 after a week and he's a new signer.

Can't wait for Bobby Moynihan in MW to hit like $10.

Or you get Topps doing the Dr. Who Star Wars voice actors with cards /10 or less and high prices only due to rarity. No one really wants Dr. Huyang or whatever he was called.

[ObiTN]

Originally Posted by Vargaman

Or you get Topps doing the Dr. Who Star Wars voice actors with cards /10 or less and high prices only due to rarity. No one really wants Dr. Huyang or whatever he was called.

I'll have you know that I just ordered a Huyang photo that I plan on having David Tennant sign next weekend. I believe he's charging $100 for the autograph.

[ObiTN]

Originally Posted by Brobocop

Just curious, what did people want Luke to do with the lightsaber?

There needed to be dialogue in the scene. Maybe not to the extreme of Rey saying, "I think you might be my father," but at least introducing herself. Then Luke needed to ask where she got it. If he then says, "whatever," and throws it over his shoulder I would have been more accepting of the scene. That he shows no interest in how she got it or how she found him speaks volumes about how little Rian cared about what JJ had done.

[Brobocop]

Originally Posted by ObiTN

There needed to be dialogue in the scene. Maybe not to the extreme of Rey saying, "I think you might be my father," but at least introducing herself. Then Luke needed to ask where she got it. If he then says, "whatever," and throws it over his shoulder I would have been more accepting of the scene. That he shows no interest in how she got it or how she found him speaks volumes about how little Rian cared about what JJ had done.

No, it speaks to Luke's character after over 30 years of finding out how much nonsense the Jedi spouted. To me, it was perfect. The momma joke from Poe was cringe though, that I can agree with most on.

[jdhaugh11]

Got my case, will he opening tonight.
Please Topps, give me 1 good auto & sketch!

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[Dasklein83]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

Got my case, will he opening tonight.
Please Topps, give me 1 good auto & sketch!

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Most cases I've seen have been at least 1 good sketch. If there is one amazing sketch, the others tend to be pretty mediocre. As for the autos, you should probably get one numbered to 10 or less, but it's a crap shoot as to whether you get Nein Numb or Obi-Wan. As long as you're going in knowing you're probably going to take a loss and that you're breaking for fun, this set is a fantastically fun break.

[Sharard]

Well a very nice super dual was hit on you tube break with another breaker and shared on face book

Adam Driver as Kylo Ren & Domhnall Gleeson as General Hux

Should be a pretty penny if they sell it. Congratulations to them beating the topps cursed odds.. hit some pretty nice sketches too.

[pjs2000]

Originally Posted by Dasklein83

FranklinFive! Seller of wonderful ESB Black and White Red Hue Parallels out of 10! I'm up to about 80 of the 150 now thanks in now small part to the ones I've bought from you. Buy more cases and list more ESB!

WOW...how much closer to a complete set of red ESB B&W are you?

[pjs2000]

Originally Posted by jdhaugh11

yeah Chris Justice hit 3 total Superfractors. 1 base, 1 insert and then the auto you mentioned. Not sure if this was all from 1 case or 2. Either way, he beat the odds.

I got 2 Supers from 1 case of Finest last year, so Topps is known for doing stuff like this. It's great for the person that hits it, but they should be more spread out IMO.

I know someone who broke 4 cases and hit 3 base superfractors.