Alleged Card Trimmer and Former PSA Employee Mike Souza Exposed— eBay ID= 9999rbush - Page 5

superdan49 · 08-20-2019, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Batpig

Can’t wait for this. Out of curiosity I just went on EBay looking for completed auctions, and all of the lower grade 96 SI for kids Tigers have 41 perforations on the left and right (43 if you include corners). All the high grade ones that I found do not.

I am working on the write-up. If not tonight then tomorrow. I did not include the corners but your total is correct. The pieces of paper left on the card after tearing the perforations are known as teeth.

https://findyourstampsvalue.com/help...ms/perforation

signed79 · 08-20-2019, 08:32 PM

Talk about a conflict of interest (article by Orlando).

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...houghts-hawaii

pip · 08-20-2019, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by superdan49

I am working on the write-up. If not tonight then tomorrow. I did not include the corners but your total is correct. The pieces of paper left on the card after tearing the perforations are known as teeth.

https://findyourstampsvalue.com/help...ms/perforation

A long time ago when I first noticed this, I believe there may have been some recut cards in Beckett holders too, not just PSA holders. The thing that was most remarkable, if my memory serves me correctly, is that the number of teeth was off by quite a bit. It should have been obvious to the affected grading services but they still slabbed the altered cards. I can only imagine the extent of the problem now.

Batpig · 08-20-2019, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

A long time ago when I first noticed this, I believe there may have been some recut cards in Beckett holders too, not just PSA holders. The thing that was most remarkable, if my memory serves me correctly, is that the number of teeth was off by quite a bit. It should have been obvious to the affected grading services but they still slabbed the altered cards. I can only imagine the extent of the problem now.

The recent high grade sales on eBay were all BGS, and all wrong. In a quick scan of PWCC marketplace, the PSA 10’s were hit and miss, but tough to tell with the low res images.

pspa123 · 08-20-2019, 10:03 PM

How is it possible to trim those cards then fake the "teeth" they have such a distinctive look?

mjohnatgt · 08-20-2019, 10:18 PM

Remember that two of the PSA 10 SI4K Tiger Woods cards were submitted by Moser (old account, right?) according to the thread on PSA's message board:
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...1955-aa-orouke

pspa123 · 08-20-2019, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

Remember that two of the PSA 10 SI4K Tiger Woods cards were submitted by Moser (old account, right?) according to the thread on PSA's message board:
https://forums.collectors.com/discus...1955-aa-orouke

If I read this right the submitter was syzygy3.14
That wasn't Gary, it was another (alleged) card "conserver"

pip · 08-20-2019, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

How is it possible to trim those cards then fake the "teeth" they have such a distinctive look?

There are many different types of perforating machines for sale online. Some have multiple attachments.

pspa123 · 08-20-2019, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

There are many different types of perforating machines for sale online. Some have multiple attachments.

Yeah I just looked at a high grade Beckett one and wow how it got slabbed is beyond me lol. Hideous.

pspa123 · 08-20-2019, 11:09 PM

I've submitted a number of the SIFK cards, I'm pretty adept at separating them from the sheets, I have never received a 10, about half 8s and half 9s and I can't tell the difference usually.

Bruins1993 · 08-21-2019, 01:12 AM

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Originally Posted by signed79

Talk about a conflict of interest (article by Orlando).

https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...houghts-hawaii

How long before PSA pulls that article?

Bruins1993 · 08-21-2019, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

How is it possible to trim those cards then fake the "teeth" they have such a distinctive look?

Access to that type of machine that does those for a single side and used four times? I wouldn't put it past the ill gotten reward profit.

MoreToppsPlease · 08-21-2019, 01:41 AM

[QUOTE=Bruins1993;14959838]How long before PSA pulls that article?

Yeah, PSA has $100K of cold sweat on that one...

The Woods buyer was anonymous, it would be most interesting if the owner received a guaranteed refund there.

ninjacookies · 08-21-2019, 01:46 AM

This is truly amazing. BODA has now uncovered 2 very convincing mounds of evidence pointing to insider grading corruption at the 2 'most trusted' grading companies on earth. And I suspect there will only be more as time passes.

mjohnatgt · 08-21-2019, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

If I read this right the submitter was syzygy3.14
That wasn't Gary, it was another (alleged) card "conserver"

Ah yes, Gerry Schwartz - known associate of Moser. I knew there was a connection between the account and Moser.

Here is one of those cards. Plummeted to $4000 back in 2009:

Batpig · 08-21-2019, 06:00 AM

That’s a great example. After looking at a bunch of these it’s easy to spot the ones that have an unnatural perforation before even counting the teeth.

pspa123 · 08-21-2019, 06:07 AM

This one, I hope, is real.

unclemonkey · 08-21-2019, 06:18 AM

Man, at those prices it makes me sick!

And I'm not affected in any way.

Batpig · 08-21-2019, 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

This one, I hope, is real.

Looks good to me.

pspa123 · 08-21-2019, 07:09 AM

The altered ones have an exaggerated serrated look, if that's the right word.

Batpig · 08-21-2019, 07:11 AM

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The altered ones have an exaggerated serrated look, if that's the right word.

I think that’s an excellent description.

dizzydolse · 08-21-2019, 07:12 AM

If there is corruption, insider trading, favorable treatment, etc. within these TPG companies, which seems certain at this point, why would they need to trim and re-perforate a card like this? Why not just crack a nice 9 out and have your guy at PSA give it a 10?

pspa123 · 08-21-2019, 07:15 AM

Right edge doesn't look natural.

mattglet · 08-21-2019, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

Right edge doesn't look natural.

I don't have any experience with the SIFK cards, but were they really that easy to pull apart and not jack up the card? Because this one does not look like it was cut - there's too much fraying on the teeth. I would expect a cut one... to look cut.

MoreToppsPlease · 08-21-2019, 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by dizzydolse

If there is corruption, insider trading, favorable treatment, etc. within these TPG companies, which seems certain at this point, why would they need to trim and re-perforate a card like this? Why not just crack a nice 9 out and have your guy at PSA give it a 10?

Exactly. But it seems likely that we’re looking at multiple corruption types here at different times.

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signed79 Member Join Date: May 2019 Location: USA Posts: 513	Talk about a conflict of interest (article by Orlando). https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...houghts-hawaii

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pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,728	How is it possible to trim those cards then fake the "teeth" they have such a distinctive look?

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mjohnatgt Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Location: Niceville, FL Posts: 14,635 mjohnatgt mjohnatgt	Remember that two of the PSA 10 SI4K Tiger Woods cards were submitted by Moser (old account, right?) according to the thread on PSA's message board: https://forums.collectors.com/discus...1955-aa-orouke

08-20-2019, 11:09 PM	#110
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,728	I've submitted a number of the SIFK cards, I'm pretty adept at separating them from the sheets, I have never received a 10, about half 8s and half 9s and I can't tell the difference usually.

08-21-2019, 01:46 AM	#114
ninjacookies Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: All the girls see the (boi)/ Look at his flips / Look at his kards / All they say is (oh boi). Posts: 56,922	This is truly amazing. BODA has now uncovered 2 very convincing mounds of evidence pointing to insider grading corruption at the 2 'most trusted' grading companies on earth. And I suspect there will only be more as time passes.

08-21-2019, 06:00 AM	#116
Batpig Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Posts: 27	That’s a great example. After looking at a bunch of these it’s easy to spot the ones that have an unnatural perforation before even counting the teeth.

08-21-2019, 06:18 AM	#118
unclemonkey Member Join Date: Aug 2017 Posts: 4,989	Man, at those prices it makes me sick! And I'm not affected in any way.

08-21-2019, 07:09 AM	#120
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,728	The altered ones have an exaggerated serrated look, if that's the right word.

08-21-2019, 07:12 AM	#122
dizzydolse Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 2,937	If there is corruption, insider trading, favorable treatment, etc. within these TPG companies, which seems certain at this point, why would they need to trim and re-perforate a card like this? Why not just crack a nice 9 out and have your guy at PSA give it a 10?