MUST READ TRIMMING THREAD: COMC- HawkDynasty,cccardfactory,LORDSTANLEY2012|PWCC|ih8ca

[mint39]

As a small seller on comc- i am happy with the statement !
mint39

[sfgiants4life]

Do you think COMC will notify the authorities about this? No mention of it in the update. From the update it seems that it is still up to the individuals to prove that their cards were trimmed. I don't feel it is up to the buyers to prove it. The seller has been shown to have a few cards which were purchased by themselves or business associates and then altered and regraded. If some of the cards are tainted shouldn't we assume they all are? It shouldn't be up to the buyers to figure out if their $20 psa graded card is altered or not if it originated from those sellers...then the buyer needs to prove it and send them proof to get their $20 back? Or better yet $1 insert? Doesn't sound right.

Buyer didn't do anything wrong. The seller got greedy and they should pay the price.

[3124508 on COMC]

If it is true that COMC is auditing everything, expect thousands of emails throughout the next year or so with info of all the trimmed cards. Color me skeptical.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

If it is true that COMC is auditing everything, expect thousands of emails throughout the next year or so with info of all the trimmed cards. Color me skeptical.

hopefully raw cards as well

i also hope this leads to them upgrading their scanning system, which easily hides cards flaws upon online inspection

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

hopefully raw cards as well

i also hope this leads to them upgrading their scanning system, which easily hides cards flaws upon online inspection

I wonder what the qualifications of the people doing the audit will be? Probably the same people who failed to detect trimming on the raw cards to begin with? The raw cards that COMC is supposed to detect trimming on?

[3124508 on COMC]

Will they be producing digital overlays to compare card sizes on white bordered cards? Will they be using digital measuring software? Will the findings of the audit be made public for all the cards that were graded nearly a decade ago and have surely changed owners?

[Jonathon M]

Originally Posted by pryantexas

Their lawyers clearly aren't comfortable with them issuing public lifetime bans quite yet

COMC deserves a hell of a lot of credit for how they are handling it - this is definitely the most they can do until authorities can get involved

agree, COMC dont need to be going as far as they are (look at PSA and PWCC, and they are both doing just fine), As a big user of COMC I am glad this has been exposed, and the hobby and comc will be much better for it, but the responsibility should fall on the grading companies who's job it is to catch this, not COMC who have now processed over 70 million cards and would have been safe to assume anything in a non tampered PSA/BGS case was good to go

[Jonathon M]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Will they be producing digital overlays to compare card sizes on white bordered cards? Will they be using digital measuring software?

No, and neither should they, the price of processing would go through the roof.


Does ebay require this for people selling on their, or does blowout require this for anyone selling here, and Im sure trimmed/altered cards have been sold on there as well?

People need to use their own diligence and if they are not sure about a card, dont buy it

Also, how would digital measuring software stop it with vintage, considering cards are not the same size when factory cut?

[mattglet]

I still don't really understand how COMC's staff is qualified to do proactive "auditing". Especially since actual companies that exist solely to do said inspections fail at the job.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Jonathon M

No, and neither should they, the price of processing would go through the roof.


Does ebay require this for people selling on their, or does blowout require this for anyone selling here, and Im sure trimmed/altered cards have been sold on there as well?

People need to use their own diligence and if they are not sure about a card, dont buy it

Also, how would digital measuring software stop it with vintage, considering cards are not the same size when factory cut?

That’s why they should release their sales database publicly for review. I’m commenting on the fact that THEY said they’re going to do a full audit. That’s why their statement says.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I still don't really understand how COMC's staff is qualified to do proactive "auditing". Especially since actual companies that exist solely to do said inspections fail at the job.

Exactly. Proactive or reactive, this needs to be clarified.

[Jonathon M]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I still don't really understand how COMC's staff is qualified to do proactive "auditing". Especially since actual companies that exist solely to do said inspections fail at the job.

There not, it's just some people expect the impossible, but I guarantee if they owned COMC most of them currently holding the pitchforks would be doing even less than what COMC are doing now, which I would say is more than what they have to

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Jonathon M

There not, it's just some people expect the impossible, but I guarantee if they owned COMC most of them currently holding the pitchforks would be doing even less than what COMC are doing now, which I would say is more than what they have to

I would’ve made the database public. Easy.

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Jonathon M

There not, it's just some people expect the impossible, but I guarantee if they owned COMC most of them currently holding the pitchforks would be doing even less than what COMC are doing now, which I would say is more than what they have to

On the contrary, this is from the COMC post: "We want to stress to our customers that we are actively auditing every product that has been sold or that is currently for sale in our known records for signs of alteration."

This isn't people with pitchforks and expectations, this is from the horse's mouth.

[3124508 on COMC]

And for the record, the 24 hours thing is patently false because a COMC employee informed Johnathan of the claims levied against him 7 days before I posted the thread.

[Jonathon M]

Originally Posted by mattglet

On the contrary, this is from the COMC post: "We want to stress to our customers that we are actively auditing every product that has been sold or that is currently for sale in our known records for signs of alteration."

This isn't people with pitchforks and expectations, this is from the horse's mouth.

Good for comc, they are going above and beyond what they have to, how are PSA and PWCC handling their end????

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Jonathon M

Good for comc, they are going above and beyond what they have to, how are PSA and PWCC handling their end????

Just because PWCC and PSA are worse doesn’t mean COMC gets a free pass. I had four reasonable steps outlined in my OP for COMC to follow and they have only done #1, and I think in an incomplete manner.

[3124508 on COMC]

I’m sure a suit against Rich Katz could generate some funds if that’s an issue.

[dustin42]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

And for the record, the 24 hours thing is patently false because a COMC employee informed Johnathan of the claims levied against him 7 days before I posted the thread.

this is true

[mattglet]

Originally Posted by Jonathon M

Good for comc, they are going above and beyond what they have to, how are PSA and PWCC handling their end????

I appreciate your sentiment towards COMC, but... they are only going "above and beyond" using their words. Let's see how their actions actually play out.

They are already off to a rough start with their words, as 312 stated re: the 24 hour thing. Next they are saying they are going to try to determine if cards have been altered on their own - I've already voiced what I think is reasonable skepticism toward that notion. It's hard for me to believe they are going to do anything meaningful, aside from reactive refunds (which is commendable, don't get me wrong).

[dustin42]

Originally Posted by mattglet

I appreciate your sentiment towards COMC, but... they are only going "above and beyond" using their words. Let's see how their actions actually play out.

They are already off to a rough start with their words, as 312 stated re: the 24 hour thing. Next they are saying they are going to try to determine if cards have been altered on their own - I've already voiced what I think is reasonable skepticism toward that notion. It's hard for me to believe they are going to do anything meaningful, aside from reactive refunds (which is commendable, don't get me wrong).

They are doing better than most. Now that is a low bar.

[Jonathon M]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Just because PWCC and PSA are worse doesn’t mean COMC gets a free pass. I had four reasonable steps outlined in my OP for COMC to follow and they have only done #1, and I think in an incomplete manner.

I really dont care if people give COMC a "free pass", PSA, PWCC etc have pretty much spit in the faces of their users and business is booming for them

Honestly, I think demand 1 was the only one I would consider "reasonable" with all things considered, the rest would be extremely costly and time consuming and honestly, I do not think COMC are liable for graded cards that have deemed worthy of being slabbed, even if they are sold on COMC. Any one who has every purchased from these accounts, no ,matter when can still see it in their purchase history with full scans and from who they purchased from and if they are proven altered COMC will refund

[dustin42]

I am not going soft but where is eBay???

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Jonathon M

I really dont care if people give COMC a "free pass", PSA, PWCC etc have pretty much spit in the faces of their users and business is booming for them

Honestly, I think demand 1 was the only one I would consider "reasonable" with all things considered, the rest would be extremely costly and time consuming and honestly, I do not think COMC are liable for graded cards that have deemed worthy of being slabbed, even if they are sold on COMC. Any one who has every purchased from these accounts, no ,matter when can still see it in their purchase history with full scans and from who they purchased from and if they are proven altered COMC will refund

Auditing every single card you’ve ever sold is more time consuming and costly than what I outlined.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Jonathon M

I really dont care if people give COMC a "free pass", PSA, PWCC etc have pretty much spit in the faces of their users and business is booming for them

Honestly, I think demand 1 was the only one I would consider "reasonable" with all things considered, the rest would be extremely costly and time consuming and honestly, I do not think COMC are liable for graded cards that have deemed worthy of being slabbed, even if they are sold on COMC. Any one who has every purchased from these accounts, no ,matter when can still see it in their purchase history with full scans and from who they purchased from and if they are proven altered COMC will refund

You can’t prove they’re altered if COMC is holding the before pictures hostage. How can I see what the raw cards looked like if it isn’t the ONE COPY that COMC displays?