MUST READ TRIMMING THREAD: COMC- HawkDynasty,cccardfactory,LORDSTANLEY2012|PWCC|ih8ca - Page 52

MoreToppsPlease · 09-22-2019, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by base set

I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I am waiting for a new grading company to emerge, or for one of the existing Big 2, and/or the one in 3rd place, to address things in a serious way ("it's only 0.1%" is not a serious response, at all). I don't collect these cards but I would be a fool to sell some valuable cards (where grading fees are a small % of eventual sale price) raw just to let someone else reap the profits from a gamble on the potential high grade. And what I really need is authentication of cards already being re-printed today, and eventually to be completely mastered by probably Chinese counterfitters.

But simultaneously, if a new company does emerge, or law enforcement essentially forces a complete reset upon this obviously shady industry (seems to be what it is going to take), the date of grading will become part of the value of a high-end card, in my opinion.

So aside from holding back my potentially grade-able cards from the grading companies, there seems to be little else anyone can do.

Grading will not go away and we will not go back to verbal assurances of "NM+", whatever the heck that is. People want outside validation of their decisions, and when people with money to spend want something, someone will step up and supply it to them.

That, and I don't know who it was on here earlier this year that related a quote from a friend about the Registry system, but it was the most succinct explanation of this whole deal: "The Registry is the crack cocaine of this hobby."

Why would a new grading company be different? How would it prove it’s different?

gmoney328 · 09-22-2019, 11:11 AM

Good lord, I have so much ready to be graded, but I just can’t bring myself to do it. Please keep up the good work here. Very very shady business, and these people need to exposed.

PeachStateCards · 09-22-2019, 11:40 AM

I also agree, these people need to be exposed, as well as educating more people like me who have jumped back into the hobby after a long's nights sleep. I am more than happy to buy boxes and rip them, at least I know they have not been touched by these scumbags. I realize it will cost me more money in the long run, but I will have peace of mind knowing that my PC is untouched.

ThoseBackPages · 09-22-2019, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Why would a new grading company be different? How would it prove it’s different?

i agree. stick with the three that are already around

Bruins1993 · 09-22-2019, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

eBay user investinbaseball (Invest In Baseball) was another outlet for, minimally, some 12,000 PSA slabs from OCSI. Almost every single one is a PSA 10. investinbaseball auction Codes OC1, OC2, OC3, and OC4 all appear to be OCSI cards. This is why COMC needs to release a database of all cards bought and sold by OCSI.

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

investinbaseball is Sean Bassik.

Any comments from Sean

MoreToppsPlease · 09-22-2019, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i agree. stick with the three that are already around

Not if they're broken. I'm just not sure if any new or old grading company could work as people want them to, I don't think its possible.

ThoseBackPages · 09-22-2019, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Not if they're broken. I'm just not sure if any new or old grading company could work as people want them to, I don't think its possible.

yea, too late for new grading folks to enter the game

VeedonFleece · 09-22-2019, 01:40 PM

Weird how you have no confidence in COMC but still back the grading companies, TBP.

pspa123 · 09-22-2019, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Any comments from Sean

One suspects they will no longer use those codes.

Just like way back in the day Brent discontinued naming his scans using the consignor's name, after someone I told in confidence about it blabbed.

ThoseBackPages · 09-22-2019, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by VeedonFleece

Weird how you have no confidence in COMC but still back the grading companies, TBP.

yea, raw cards freak me out, especially online

VeedonFleece · 09-22-2019, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

yea, raw cards freak me out, especially online

To each his own, I guess. I was already anti-grading before these scandals broke. I'm even more so now. While I do own (a few) graded cards, every single card in my modest PC is raw.

ThoseBackPages · 09-22-2019, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by VeedonFleece

To each his own, I guess. I was already anti-grading before these scandals broke. I'm even more so now. While I do own (a few) graded cards, every single card in my modest PC is raw.

more power to ya!

VeedonFleece · 09-22-2019, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

more power to ya!

Lol, I wasn't trying to claim superiority. As I said, to each his own. I just find it kinda weird that some, like me, have no confidence in grading whatsoever, while others (like you) have no faith in raw. There are plenty of us in each camp. I guess the balanced view would be to not trust either - raw or graded. That wouldn't help either of us!

Pink Pussycat · 09-22-2019, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

i agree. stick with the three that are already around

Yes... Feed more money to PSA, even though they are inept, and are the major component in this scandal. Add to it, that they haven't even admitted any wrongdoing, and dismiss the fact that any scandal exists.

They are using you while taking your money, and brainwashing the masses. But let's stick with them, anyway.

ThoseBackPages · 09-22-2019, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by VeedonFleece

Lol, I wasn't trying to claim superiority. As I said, to each his own. I just find it kinda weird that some, like me, have no confidence in grading whatsoever, while others (like you) have no faith in raw. There are plenty of us in each camp. I guess the balanced view would be to not trust either - raw or graded. That wouldn't help either of us!

yea, its strange indeed! lol

ThoseBackPages · 09-22-2019, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Pink Pussycat

Yes... Feed more money to PSA, even though they are inept, and are the major component in this scandal. Add to it, that they haven't even admitted any wrongdoing, and dismiss the fact that any scandal exists.

They are using you while taking your money, and brainwashing the masses. But let's stick with them, anyway.

ive not submitted a card for grading in many moons. others do, for sure, as they are still widely available on eBay to buy

dustin42 · 09-22-2019, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gregggyf

Good Evening,

I have a question concerning trimming.

Leaving vintage cards out of the equation and sticking only to modern cards.

Would anyone know what are the TPG's "allowable amount/degree" of error before a card would considered/deemed altered?

Thank you very much.

It literally depends on who is submitting the card. The people exposed in all of this work with the TPGs to manipulate the market. It is a criminal enterprise.

dustin42 · 09-22-2019, 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dustin42

It literally depends on who is submitting the card. The people exposed in all of this work with the TPGs to manipulate the market. It is a criminal enterprise.

I personally had over 10K graded by PSA over the last 2 years. I was banned by PSA for questioning them about their fraud. See I didn't give them kickbacks or try to collude with them. They didn't like that so they tried to steal my money.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1314900

ThoseBackPages · 09-22-2019, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dustin42

I personally had 10K graded over the last 2 years. I was banned by PSA for questioning them about their fraud. See I didn't give them kickbacks or try to collude with them. They didn't like that so they tried to steal my money.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1314900

are you suing them?

dustin42 · 09-22-2019, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

are you suing them?

Waiting for the Feds to finish their work.

ThoseBackPages · 09-22-2019, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by dustin42

Waiting for the Feds to finish their work.

makes sense, might as well grab a snickers.

T206Collector · 09-22-2019, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by base set

I don't know about the rest of y'all, but I am waiting for a new grading company to emerge, or for one of the existing Big 2, and/or the one in 3rd place, to address things in a serious way ("it's only 0.1%" is not a serious response, at all). I don't collect these cards but I would be a fool to sell some valuable cards (where grading fees are a small % of eventual sale price) raw just to let someone else reap the profits from a gamble on the potential high grade. And what I really need is authentication of cards already being re-printed today, and eventually to be completely mastered by probably Chinese counterfitters.

But simultaneously, if a new company does emerge, or law enforcement essentially forces a complete reset upon this obviously shady industry (seems to be what it is going to take), the date of grading will become part of the value of a high-end card, in my opinion.

So aside from holding back my potentially grade-able cards from the grading companies, there seems to be little else anyone can do.

Grading will not go away and we will not go back to verbal assurances of "NM+", whatever the heck that is. People want outside validation of their decisions, and when people with money to spend want something, someone will step up and supply it to them.

I’m pretty much aligned with this comment.

chezball · 09-22-2019, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Pink Pussycat

Yes... Feed more money to PSA, even though they are inept, and are the major component in this scandal. Add to it, that they haven't even admitted any wrongdoing, and dismiss the fact that any scandal exists.

They are using you while taking your money, and brainwashing the masses. But let's stick with them, anyway.

slabheads are addicted to the slabs.

corndog · 09-22-2019, 04:43 PM

PSA Cert #23641223

1965 Topps Luis Tiant RC #145 - Population 1 of 5

Value gain of $1,164.00

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller softballdad678 as a PSA 8 for $61.00 on September 28, 2014.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $1,225.00 on February 08, 2015.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1068061

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge. No back image provided with first sale data.

Bruins1993 · 09-22-2019, 05:12 PM

A feasible and logical way of making grading better would be a business model like GIA diamond grading. Computerized sizing (with printout). Computerized centering analysis. Ultraviolet imaging to detect: creases, rebuilt corners, re-coloring, print defects. And so on...

I don't see PSA ever wanting to implement the above given it would detect their own failures of the past 15+ years Instead we can read Joe Orlando's comments bashing collectors as born yesterday without PSA opinion services of simply humans looking at collectibles

09-22-2019, 04:43 PM	#1299
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,829	PSA Cert #23641223 1965 Topps Luis Tiant RC #145 - Population 1 of 5 Value gain of $1,164.00 This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller softballdad678 as a PSA 8 for $61.00 on September 28, 2014. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999 Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $1,225.00 on February 08, 2015. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1068061 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red box identifies trimmed top edge. No back image provided with first sale data. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

09-22-2019, 05:12 PM	#1300
Bruins1993 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Stuck inside of Mobile Posts: 1,294	A feasible and logical way of making grading better would be a business model like GIA diamond grading. Computerized sizing (with printout). Computerized centering analysis. Ultraviolet imaging to detect: creases, rebuilt corners, re-coloring, print defects. And so on... I don't see PSA ever wanting to implement the above given it would detect their own failures of the past 15+ years Instead we can read Joe Orlando's comments bashing collectors as born yesterday without PSA opinion services of simply humans looking at collectibles __________________ #nevergetcheated Riiiiiiiiight

09-22-2019, 11:11 AM	#1277
gmoney328 Member Join Date: Aug 2019 Location: Navarre, Florida Posts: 4,203	Good lord, I have so much ready to be graded, but I just can’t bring myself to do it. Please keep up the good work here. Very very shady business, and these people need to exposed.

09-22-2019, 11:40 AM	#1278
PeachStateCards Member Join Date: Sep 2019 Posts: 32	I also agree, these people need to be exposed, as well as educating more people like me who have jumped back into the hobby after a long's nights sleep. I am more than happy to buy boxes and rip them, at least I know they have not been touched by these scumbags. I realize it will cost me more money in the long run, but I will have peace of mind knowing that my PC is untouched.

09-22-2019, 01:40 PM	#1283
VeedonFleece Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: The 01246 Posts: 3,896 veedonfleece	Weird how you have no confidence in COMC but still back the grading companies, TBP.