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[Boophill]

In my almost 60 years as a collector and dealer I’ve sent only a few cards off for grading, 1952 Mantle, 1968 Ryan, 1986-87 Jordan, etc. I’m not understanding why someone sends a 1967 Calvin Koonce off for grading. Are collectors putting together “10” sets? If so, must cost a fortune.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by Boophill

In my almost 60 years as a collector and dealer I’ve sent only a few cards off for grading, 1952 Mantle, 1968 Ryan, 1986-87 Jordan, etc. I’m not understanding why someone sends a 1967 Calvin Koonce off for grading. Are collectors putting together “10” sets? If so, must cost a fortune.

That's what the PSA set registers are for

[Boophill]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

That's what the PSA set registers are for

I know people have completed PSA 9 sets for the 1986-87 Fleer basketball, but that’s 132 cards. Have complete sets of 9 or 10 for any of the 1950s or 60s Topps baseball been put together?

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by Boophill

I know people have completed PSA 9 sets for the 1986-87 Fleer basketball, but that’s 132 cards. Have complete sets of 9 or 10 for any of the 1950s or 60s Topps baseball been put together?

Pat Neshek has probably done it

[signed79]

Originally Posted by Boophill

In my almost 60 years as a collector and dealer I’ve sent only a few cards off for grading, 1952 Mantle, 1968 Ryan, 1986-87 Jordan, etc. I’m not understanding why someone sends a 1967 Calvin Koonce off for grading. Are collectors putting together “10” sets? If so, must cost a fortune.

Exactly what grading was intended for - but PSA can't build an empire grading only these cards.

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Easy. Because it isn’t a defect if the size is within a specific range.

Cards simply aren’t all made the same exact size from the factory.

Strongly disagree...

That's a true double-standard, as the grading companies have always taken centering into account when assigning number grades. Poorly centered cards came from the factory that way, so it's the same exact circumstance as a short cut.

If you compromise the grade for poor centering or poor registration (both are factory attributes), you must reduce the grade for being cut short. This is a no-brainer. It's as if the self-appointed experts at PSA just make up the rules as they go... and the sheep continue to follow.

[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

card-buyer is a corporate venture bankrolled by Rich Katz and run by Johnathan Miller, Nate Johnson, Scot Maxwell, and others.

investinbaseball is Sean Bassik.

Originally Posted by pspa123

One suspects they will no longer use those codes.

Just like way back in the day Brent discontinued naming his scans using the consignor's name, after someone I told in confidence about it blabbed.

Any comments or activity from Sean on Net54 about all this

[Scottish Punk]

Originally Posted by base set

Seems to me that an interesting exercise would be to simply measure 100 random cards from a set and see what happens. I can recall a baseball card being noticeably miscut only very rarely, and I have been ripping packs most of my life, including in the now ‘vintage’ days when Topps was the only manufacturer.

To me ‘miscut’ has always largely meant centering issues, not size issues. Centering only slowly improved over the decades. The cutting machines have never seemed all that crazy variable, to me.

I am in mostly agreement with you. I don't think the variance is much at all especially when it comes to modern and recent vintage. Stuff from the 50's on back may have more of a variance and/or more doctored throughout the years. I have seen on forums that some 80's vending have a different cut than hobby boxes. I don't know about exact dimensions between the two.

It has been brought up, that maybe PSA doesn't want to label the dimensions of the card and incorporate that in the grading is that it will make it painfully obvious how many trimmed cards are in holders. Also, would open them up for more returns.

I have almost exclusively SGC cards, I may has an exercise go through a stack and measure them just to see what the results are. I would be curious if somebody has a stack of PSA 9,10s from the 70's to see those results.

[corndog]

*** I am going to post these even though I cannot find a prior graded purchase. Card-guy actively purchased raw vintage card collections and lots and many of the cards in his PSA submission runs do not have any prior singular purchase to be found. I have come across too many of these to be considered an anomaly. I just don't believe, in my personal opinion, that anyone else submitting these vintage cards would receive a 10 with regularity like card-guy has.

.PSA Cert #22787762

1966 Topps Johnny Orsino #77 - Population 1 of 1

Current PSA Registry Sets:
This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including BBCards4U2.

Sold by PWCC on May 08, 2014 for $493.00. The PSA cert number is from a card-guy submission. I could not find a prior graded purchase so it may have been purchased raw.

[B]PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/996387

[corndog]

*** I am going to post these even though I cannot find a prior graded purchase. Card-guy actively purchased raw vintage card collections and lots and many of the cards in his PSA submission runs do not have any prior singular purchase to be found. I have come across too many of these to be considered an anomaly. I just don't believe, in my personal opinion, that anyone else submitting these vintage cards would receive a 10 with regularity like card-guy has.

.PSA Cert #22787761

1966 Topps Doug Camilli #593 - Population 1 of 3

Current PSA Registry Sets:
This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including BBCards4U2.

Sold by PWCC on May 08, 2014 for $260.00. The PSA cert number is from a card-guy submission. I could not find a prior graded purchase so it may have been purchased raw.

[B]PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/996418

[mjohnatgt]

Originally Posted by Scottish Punk

It has been brought up, that maybe PSA doesn't want to label the dimensions of the card and incorporate that in the grading is that it will make it painfully obvious how many trimmed cards are in holders. Also, would open them up for more returns.

You could probably find a couple thousand cards cut short in PSA holders from just the 1975 Topps Mini set. Those collectors really value the full-size minis vs. the short minis differently already; many of which should have gotten the MINSIZREQ and would today if regraded from raw.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #22787760

1966 Topps Bobby Wine #284 - Population 1 of 1

Value gain of $456.46

Current PSA Registry Sets:
This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including BBCards4U2.

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller chr1s1016 as a PSA 8 for $18.54 on February 09, 2014.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...4/167737/PSA/8

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $475.00 on May 08, 2014.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/996406

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #22787738

1965 Topps Gene Alley #121

Value gain of $34.49

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 8 for $12.27 on January 22, 2014.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 9 for $46.76 on June 08, 2014.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/996313

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge. No back image provided with 1st sale data.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #22787736

1965 Topps Gene Alley #121 - Population 1 of 7

Value gain of $302.23

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller champsandbums as a PSA 8 for $12.77 on January 27, 2014.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $315.00 on May 08, 2014.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/996313

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge. No back image provided with 1st sale data.

[corndog]

*** I am going to post these even though I cannot find a prior graded purchase. Card-guy actively purchased raw vintage card collections and lots and many of the cards in his PSA submission runs do not have any prior singular purchase to be found. I have come across too many of these to be considered an anomaly. I just don't believe, in my personal opinion, that anyone else submitting these vintage cards would receive a 10 with regularity like card-guy has.

.PSA Cert #22787724

1964 Topps Joe Azcue #199 - Population 1 of 2

Sold by PWCC on July 11, 2014 for $898.00. The PSA cert number is from a card-guy submission. I could not find a prior graded purchase so it may have been purchased raw.

[B]PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1018313

[auburn35]

^
Same card (player) purchased just days apart, from different sellers. One received a pedicure, the other got a hair cut.
Graded together, with the hair cut resulting in nice two grade bump and the pedicure only a one grade bump.

[Bruins1993]

Here is Richard Katz promoting PSA in the PSA - Sports Market Report:

"RK: As every collector knows, what PSA offers is a crucial component to the hobby. They give you the confidence to know you are buying something genuine that has been graded by third-party experts. So it offers you peace of mind in that you can transact with people you don’t know from all over the world with confidence. The PSA Set Registry is an ingenious invention that gives collectors the chance to network with other people that have like interests and to purchase or trade cards, information and knowledge."

Reference:
https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...ascination-set

Thoughts?

[Bruins1993]

"Rich Katz (Movin' On Up) (2015)
For well more than a decade, the registry has been growing at a brisk pace as more and more collectors join our community.During that time, it has been a pleasure to witness some of the incredible collections enter our online program. Just when you think you have seen it all, the hobby has a way of reminding us that you never know what’s around the next corner. In 2015, PSA is proud to induct hockey collector Rich Katz into our registry Hall of Fame. As is the case with our past inductees, there was never any hesitation about Katz’s qualifications or merit.In addition to the thousands of PSA-graded cards Katz has registered on our website, the quality of his sets is simply spectacular. Katz has dozens of complete sets ranked at or near the top of various categories. To give you an idea of the quality, here’s a glimpse at the type of sets in his wonderful collection. Katz owns the #1 sets in the following categories with the current GPA in parenthesis: 1910 Sweet Caporal Postcards (7.05), 1911 C55 Master (7.46), 1924 Champs Cigarettes – C144 (7.26), 1958 Topps (8.24), 1959 Topps (8.75), 1961 Topps (9.05), 1962 Topps (9.03), 1963 Topps (8.91), 1964 Topps Tall Boys (8.84), 1966 Topps (8.35), 1970 O-Pee-Chee Master (8.88), 1971 O-Pee-Chee (9.30) and many more. This represents just a small portion of his fine collection. In addition to his top-ranked manufacturer sets, Katz also owns several great specialty sets and player runs, like the #1 Gordie Howe, Bobby Hull and Bobby Orr Basic sets. Furthermore, Katz owns the finest Mega-Set runs for 1950s and 1960s hockey cards, which require hundreds of cards by themselves. The list goes on and on, but the consistent theme is the exquisite level of quality, whether the set is based on cards, stickers, stamps or panels. For being a leader in his selected genre, possessing a simply outstanding overall collection and acting as an ambassador for the hobby, we are pleased to welcome collector Rich Katz to our Hall of Fame."

IMO having Rich as a PSA ambassador to the hobby is about as ludicrous as 00000001 still being listed as a NM-MT 8 in the Population report.

Hey Steve Sloan, how do you feel about Rich presently being an ambassador for the hobby?

[tconte]

Sloan should be embarrassed by all this!


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[corndog]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Here is Richard Katz promoting PSA in the PSA - Sports Market Report:

"RK: As every collector knows, what PSA offers is a crucial component to the hobby. They give you the confidence to know you are buying something genuine that has been graded by third-party experts. So it offers you peace of mind in that you can transact with people you don’t know from all over the world with confidence. The PSA Set Registry is an ingenious invention that gives collectors the chance to network with other people that have like interests and to purchase or trade cards, information and knowledge."

Reference:
https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...ascination-set

Thoughts?

Rich Katz (card-buyer) and PSA's Joe Orlando.

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[rcmb3220]

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

Here is Richard Katz promoting PSA in the PSA - Sports Market Report:

"RK: As every collector knows, what PSA offers is a crucial component to the hobby. They give you the confidence to know you are buying something genuine that has been graded by third-party experts. So it offers you peace of mind in that you can transact with people you don’t know from all over the world with confidence. The PSA Set Registry is an ingenious invention that gives collectors the chance to network with other people that have like interests and to purchase or trade cards, information and knowledge."

Reference:
https://www.psacard.com/articles/art...ascination-set

Thoughts?

“They give you the confidence to know you are buying something genuine that has been graded by third-party experts.”


Well the cards are genuine and have been graded. Something’s missing though.

[dustin42]

Originally Posted by tconte

Sloan should be embarrassed by all this!


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Steve banned me for asking him questions about fraud. Just a heads up.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1314900

[dustin42]

Originally Posted by corndog

Rich Katz (card-buyer) and PSA's Joe Orlando.

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[corndog]

PSA Cert #22787712

1964 Topps Russ Nixon #329 - Population 1 of 2

Value gain of $455.09

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller apple383 as a PSA 8 for $9.50 on December 30, 2013.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $464.59 on July 11, 2014.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1018331

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge. No back image provided with 1st sale data.

[Pink Pussycat]

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #22787712

1964 Topps Russ Nixon #329 - Population 1 of 2

Value gain of $455.09

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller apple383 as a PSA 8 for $9.50 on December 30, 2013.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $464.59 on July 11, 2014.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1018331

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge. No back image provided with 1st sale data.

Someone really spent $465 for a badly timmed common. Wow.