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[signed79]

Originally Posted by corndog

Rich Katz (card-buyer) and PSA's Joe Orlando.

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Pathetic losers.

[Rooftop]

Clowns

[ken161]

I'm assuming the photo is from around the same time as the article in the SMR featuring card-buyer? Roughly 2016? So this guy was in the midst of doctoring probably thousands of cards when this photo was taken. Joe Orlando should feel like a duped fool.

Never get cheated, Joe.


BTW, how's PSA's internal investigation going? Releasing a complete list of all card-buyer PSA serial numbers would help collectors tremendously. I have no doubt the crack investigative team at PSA is in the process of doing just that.

Originally Posted by corndog

Rich Katz (card-buyer) and PSA's Joe Orlando.

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[pip]

Had the opportunity over the years to either trade for or purchase various cards from Rich Katz. I always had a bad feeling about things, mostly because of his attitude and reputation. Very thankful I never ended up with any of his hack jobs. Feel sorry for those collectors who bought all the trimmed sh*t from his PSA registry sets when he sold them off. A consummate con artist. He belongs in jail.

[signed79]

Originally Posted by ken161

I'm assuming the photo is from around the same time as the article in the SMR featuring card-buyer? Roughly 2016? So this guy was in the midst of doctoring probably thousands of cards when this photo was taken. Joe Orlando should feel like a duped fool.

Never get cheated, Joe.


BTW, how's PSA's internal investigation going? Releasing a complete list of all card-buyer PSA serial numbers would help collectors tremendously. I have no doubt the crack investigative team at PSA is in the process of doing just that.

I now believe Joe knew about the fraud and participated in - a diiferent stance I had when all this originally broke out with PWCC and the Mantle.

I don't think he trimmed cards and sold them - but he did very heavily promote these "gems" and their sales publicly and personally.

Cards like this are not out there - he needs them to be. There's no way Joe Orlando didn't know what was going on - I think he just turned his head and benefited from great press and publicity - it was these sales that caused hype in the marketplace and growth for PSA that landed him a the CEO spot at Collector's Universe - there's the motive.

Personally, Joe Orlando at PSA is the guy I think the FBI needs to focus more on than anyone else.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

Had the opportunity over the years to either trade for or purchase various cards from Rich Katz. I always had a bad feeling about things, mostly because of his attitude and reputation. Very thankful I never ended up with any of his hack jobs. Feel sorry for those collectors who bought all the trimmed sh*t from his PSA registry sets when he sold them off. A consummate con artist. He belongs in jail.

I've avoided certain sellers like the plague over the years. The trouble is that that only gets you so far, because cards circulate through the marketplace and it's impossible to do complete due diligence on every one. Also no doubt that some trimmers/trimmer outlets have gone under the radar.

[Bruins1993]

The PSA 10's sure look like they have the potential to be kickbacks for submitting large quantities, which in turn fuels more submissions, a revolving cycle. A win win for card doctors and PSA, while collectors end up being the losers.

[CaptSpaulding]

Originally Posted by pspa123

I've avoided certain sellers like the plague over the years. The trouble is that that only gets you so far, because cards circulate through the marketplace and it's impossible to do complete due diligence on every one. Also no doubt that some trimmers/trimmer outlets have gone under the radar.

For those collectors who truly care about avoiding bad cards, they really have to educate themselves by knowing what to look for and how to spot bad cards, not just bad sellers. So many post here treating grading as if it is rocket science. Trust me it is not.

If you care, you should not be buying a card unless you can assess it's condition and authenticity for yourself. Relying solely on the fact the card is in a holder and the grade printed on the flip is misleading yourself.

As for Katz, I have met him a few times and while I never suspected this from him I am certainly not shocked that he is involved in this.

Never met Maxwell however from numerous people who I know who have, they tell me he has contacts with graders at PSA and that is how he is getting cards bumped or through grading, if altered. I always assumed he was simply telling people that but was instead working on cards and getting them past the graders. Either way, he is a problem.

[corndog]

PSA Cert #22787676

1961 Topps N.L. Batting Leaders #41

Value gain of $11.84

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller sundiegocollectibles as a PSA 8 for $48.16 on January 23, 2014.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 9 for $60.00 on May 07, 2014.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/995873

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.

[auburn35]

Maybe it's already been discussed but I wonder if Scot Maxwell (former PSA grader and partner with Orange County Sports Investments) is the same person that's listed as an inventor on this grading technology?

https://patents.justia.com/patent/20180004756

If so, he's working both sides. Profiting of altering cards and then if/when his patent gets purchased by one of these corrupt grading companies, he'll be benefiting from his own involvement in the corruption that leads to the change.

[3124508 on COMC]

Jeffrey Bridgman AKA dominikhasek39 on eBay- Ties to Gary Moser and OCSI


Located in Toronto, Ontario, Canada

eBay: https://www.ebay.com/usr/dominikhasek39
Masked as o***3 on VCP and h***o on eBay FB.

Shipping addresses:

OCSI- C/O Scot Maxwell
PO Box XXXX
Garden Grove, CA 92842

3635 S Fort Apache Rd
Ste 200- XXX
Las Vegas, NV 89147-3403


Sold many cards in this PSA sub. Contains both cards purchased by whitman111 and dominikhasek39.

27456686 1923 MAPLE CRISPETTE 4 EDDIE COLLINS EX-MT 6 10/8/2017 $427.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions) 401413403327
27456687 1932 U.S. CARAMEL 23 JIMMY FOXX BASEBALL VG-EX 4 7/8/2017 $711.98 eBay (dominikhasek39) 222566689497
27456688 1932 U.S. CARAMEL 10 RABBIT MARANVILLE BASEBALL EX-MT 6 10/9/2017 $471.88 eBay (pwcc_auctions) 401414009875
27456689 1932 U.S. CARAMEL 27 LEFTY GROVE BASEBALL VG-EX+ 4.5
27456690 1933 GOUDEY 43 LEW FONSECA VG-EX 4
27456691 1933 WORLD WIDE GUM 89 JOE SEWELL EX-MT 6
27456692 1938 GOUDEY 253 HANK GREENBERG NM 7 9/11/2017 $1,136.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions) 142494470377
27456692 1938 GOUDEY 253 HANK GREENBERG NM 7 9/11/2017 $1,136.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions) 142494470377
27456693 1948 LEAF 88 FRANK GUSTINE EX 5 10/9/2017 $404.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions) 352175407811
27456694 1948 LEAF 46 JOHNNY MIZE EX 5
27456695 1948 LEAF 79 JACKIE ROBINSON VG-EX 4
27456696 1948 LEAF 111 GERALD PRIDDY EX-MT 6
27456697 1948 LEAF 70 HONUS WAGNER EX-MT 6
27456698 1950 CALLAHAN HALL OF FAME JIM O'ROURKE N0: AUTHENTIC
27456699 1950 CALLAHAN HALL OF FAME CARL HUBBELL MINT 9
27456700 1950 CALLAHAN HALL OF FAME PIE TRAYNOR N0: AUTHENTIC
27456701 1950 CALLAHAN HALL OF FAME JIMMIE COLLINS MINT 9
27456702 1950 CALLAHAN HALL OF FAME GEORGE SISLER "SISLER TODAY IS..." NM-MT 8
27456703 1950 CALLAHAN HALL OF FAME JOHNNY EVERS NM-MT 8
27456704 1950 CALLAHAN HALL OF FAME HUGH DUFFY NM-MT 8
27456705 1952 TOPPS 2 JAMES E. RUNNELS EX-MT 6
27456706 1952 TOPPS 9 BOBBY HOGUE BLACK BACK EX 5
27456707 1952 TOPPS 9 BOBBY HOGUE AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456708 1952 TOPPS 20 BILLY LOES EX 5
27456709 1952 TOPPS 24 LUKE EASTER BLACK BACK NM 7
27456710 1952 TOPPS 29 TED KLUSZEWSKI BLACK BACK NM 7
27456711 1952 TOPPS 79 GERALD STALEY BLACK BACK AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456712 1952 TOPPS 226 DAVE PHILLEY AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456713 1952 TOPPS 344 EWELL BLACKWELL NM 7 7/8/2017 $407.23 eBay (dominikhasek39) 391830041793
27456714 1952 TOPPS 354 FRED HATFIELD VG-EX 4
27456715 1953 TOPPS 1 JACKIE ROBINSON AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456716 1954 TOPPS 94 ERNIE BANKS AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456717 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 350 BILL ABSTEIN AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456718 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 350 MOOSE GRIMSHAW N0: AUTHENTIC
27456719 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 350 BUNK CONGALTON N0: AUTHENTIC
27456720 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 350 BIRDIE CREE AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456721 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 350 LEE QUILLEN QUILLIN AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456722 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 350 MIKE MOWREY EX-MT 6 7/8/2017 $222.38 eBay (dominikhasek39) 222566688465
27456723 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 350 RUBE KROH AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456724 1935 NATIONAL CHICLE 14 PHIL SORBOE EX-MT 6
27456725 1948 LEAF 82 FRED ENKE EX-MT 6
27456726 1952 BOWMAN LARGE 138 BOBBY WALSTON NM-MT 8 7/8/2017 $191.38 eBay (dominikhasek39) 222566693480
27456727 1956 SHREDDED WHEAT 12G JOHN BOICH NM 7
27456728 1923 V145-1 PATERSON 5 HARRY HELMAN EX 5 7/8/2017 $92.00 eBay (dominikhasek39) 391830043791
27456729 1924 V145-2 40 CHARLIE DINSMORE EX-MT 6
27456730 1928 V128 PAULIN'S 28 ARTS JUNIOR HOCKEY EX 5 10/26/2017 $184.50 eBay (pwcc_auctions) 352187259927
27456731 1933 SPORT KINGS 19 EDDIE SHORE HOCKEY N0: AUTHENTIC
27456732 1933 HAMILTON GUM 49 CHARLIE CONACHER EX 5
27456733 1933 O-PEE-CHEE 66 ROBERT GRACIE SERIES B VG-EX 4
27456734 1951 LAVAL DAIRY QSHL 1 JEAN BELIVEAU EX 5
27456735 1951 PARKHURST 101 ED KULLMAN AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456736 1952 PARKHURST 94 RON STEWART EX-MT 6
27456737 1952 PARKHURST 28 JIM MORRISON N0: AUTHENTIC
27456738 1952 PARKHURST 105 BOB HASSARD VG-EX 4
27456739 1953 PARKHURST 12 HARRY WATSON AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456740 1953 PARKHURST 46 TERRY SAWCHUK NM 7
27456741 1955 PARKHURST 56 GEORGES VEZINA NM 7
27456742 1955 PARKHURST 79 MAPLE LEAF GARDENS VG-EX 4
27456743 1910 C56 22 RILEY HERN AA: AUTHENTIC ALTERED
27456744 1940 SUPERMAN 23 HURTLING TO DESTRUCTION GOOD 2 2/25/2018 $45.00 eBay (pwcc_auctions) 142691541865
27456745 1940 SUPERMAN 67 EXPLOSION IN AN OIL FIELD GOOD 2 7/8/2017 $209.50 eBay (dominikhasek39) 391830046844
27456746 1948 LEAF 1 JOE DI MAGGIO VG 3 9/21/2017 $572.40 Goodwin and Co. Auctions 273


EXAMPLES OF ALTERED MOSER CARD IN SUB ABOVE:

Originally Posted by corndog

PSA Cert #27456686

1923 Maple Crispette Eddie Collins #4

Value gain of $337.00

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from PWCC as a SGC-2 on September 04, 2013 for $90.00. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/579141
Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA-6 for $427.00 on October 08, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1555442

Yellow circles are print and fiber identifiers.
Red squares around entire front and back show obvious cleaning and is now much brighter. Scrapbook residue removed causing broken and partial missing type.

CARDS FROM PWCC THREAD THAT WERE PURCHASED BY o***3:

Originally Posted by superdan49

PSA Cert #:28291368

1948 Leaf #108 Matthew Batts PSA 6.5 to PSA 7
Alteration types: Chemically whitened

Sold on 12/2/2014 as a PSA 6.5 by PWCC to eBay user o***3 (an unknown masked ID) for $460.55
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 4/10/2017 as a PSA 7 for $538.86
Final price: $538.86
Value gain: $78.31


In the previous post, I showed a 1948 Leaf Johnny Pesky card that was altered by whitman111/Gary Moser, graded, and then sold through PWCC. This card is also altered, then graded, and finally sold through PWCC. However, the buyer's masked eBay ID is o***3. Whitman111 is masked w***1 in Vintage Card Prices, the main website used by those researching the origin of altered cards. Please note that this is at least the second altered card sold through PWCC purchased first by o***3. Corndog found a Cy Young card that was bleached and recolored after o***3's purchase in Post #3794 of this thread.


PSA 6.5: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1055087
PSA 7: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1458306






If anyone has any information on the full user name and/or identity of o***3, please contact me.

Originally Posted by corndog

1911 General Baking Company Butter Krust Cy Young #30

This card was initially purchased by an unknown buyer on April 26, 2015 from Robert Edwards Auctions (REA).
The card was a PSA-3 at that time and the purchase price was $2,400.00.

Below is the card from that auction: (Purchase info from VCP is at the top of each image)

NOTE: Red squares identify areas where color was added to the front after the second purchase.

PSA Cert #04680991



The next time the card reappears, it has been altered and resubmitted to PSA and is given a grade of PSA-2. It is then listed with a PWCC-HE sticker and sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) to an unknown buyer on July 14, 2016 at a loss of $377.00, selling for $2,023.00. Link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1304609

Below is the card from that auction - notice the changes in appearance:

PSA Cert #25776409



The third time the same card reappears, it has been altered further and resubmitted to PSA and is given a grade of PSA-6. It is then listed and sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) to an unknown buyer on March 12, 2017 with a value gain of $4,178.00, selling for $6,201.00. Link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1436131

Below is the card from that auction - notice the further changes in appearance. I used yellow circles to identify dark stains or fibers that remained on the back after both alterations. These same four spots are visible in all three back of card images:

PSA Cert #26669506



Some questions:
1) Who made the first purchase?
2) Who made the second purchase? The masked buyer ID on VCP has an ID of o***3
3) Were there one or two card doctors? The skill on the second alteration where the color was added and back cleaned up nicer was much more articulate than the first.
4) Who submitted the card that achieved the PSA 6? It appears to be a two card submission with 26669506 being the Cy Young card and 26669507 not receiving a number.

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...27&w=213&h=520
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1430096
http://www.vintagecardprices.com/car...37&w=539&h=988
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1646982

[ken161]

So some of these card doctors have intertwined criminal enterprises? Who knew the graded card hobby had so much in common with the mafia?

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by ken161

So some of these card doctors have intertwined criminal enterprises? Who knew the graded card hobby had so much in common with the mafia?

How else could someone account for the prices of some cards but not others?

[corndog]

*** I am going to post these even though there is no sign of any appearance change that I can confirm. I have come across too many of these to be considered an anomaly. Is it a lucky re-sub or funny business with PSA? Are the graders inconsistent or intentional? I just don't believe, in my personal opinion, that anyone else submitting these vintage cards would receive a 10 with regularity like card-guy has.

PSA Cert #24919759

1968 Topps Bob Gibson #100 - Population 1 of 20

Value gain of $978.00

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller glibersher as a PSA 8 for $47.00 on June 14, 2015.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $1,025.00 on December 10, 2015.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1196316

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Can find no evidence of trimming but can see numerous printing flaws on the front which should have never allowed this card to receive a 10 in the first place.

[corndog]

Below is a very recent photo of Scot Russell Maxwell.
He grew up in Garden Grove and went to high school in Orange County, CA.
He was previously employed by PSA as a card grader.
He was a big part of Orange County Sports Investments (OCSI), at one time serving as the VP.
He lives in Tustin, CA now.
He is 40 years old.

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by corndog

Below is a very recent photo of Scot Russell Maxwell.
He grew up in Garden Grove and went to high school in Orange County, CA.
He was previously employed by PSA as a card grader.
He was a big part of Orange County Sports Investments (OCSI), at one time serving as the VP.
He lives in Tustin, CA now.
He is 40 years old.

Interesting. Looks like the same Scot Maxwell that's listed as an inventor on the computerized grading patent.
Technical Authentication & Grading, LLC

[corndog]

*** I am going to post these even though I cannot find a prior graded purchase. Card-guy actively purchased raw vintage card collections and lots and many of the cards in his PSA submission runs do not have any prior singular purchase to be found. I have come across too many of these to be considered an anomaly. I just don't believe, in my personal opinion, that anyone else submitting these vintage cards would receive a 10 with regularity like card-guy has.

.PSA Cert #24919748

1967 Topps Dodgers Rookies #12 - Population 1 of 4


Sold by PWCC on December 10, 2015 for $202.51. The PSA cert number is from a card-guy submission. I could not find a prior graded purchase so it may have been purchased raw.

[B]PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1196203

[corndog]

*** I am going to post these even though there is no sign of any appearance change that I can confirm. I have come across too many of these to be considered an anomaly. Is it a lucky re-sub or funny business with PSA? Are the graders inconsistent or intentional? I just don't believe, in my personal opinion, that anyone else submitting these vintage cards would receive a 10 with regularity like card-guy has.

PSA Cert #24919734

1965 Topps Brooks Robinson #150 - Population 1 of 6

Value gain of $4,863.57

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $98.00 on September 13, 2015.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1159221

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $4,961.57 on August 14, 2017.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1529059

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Can find no evidence of trimming, but PSA saw fit to give it a 10 the second time.

[DunceMode]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Easy. Because it isn’t a defect if the size is within a specific range.

Cards simply aren’t all made the same exact size from the factory.

Duh, that's exactly why there is grading. Cards aren't always centered from the factory, they aren't always printed correctly from the factory, etc. Again, why do you give size a free pass here?

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by DunceMode

Duh, that's exactly why there is grading. Cards aren't always centered from the factory, they aren't always printed correctly from the factory, etc. Again, why do you give size a free pass here?

Grading companies already do.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by signed79

I now believe Joe knew about the fraud and participated in - a diiferent stance I had when all this originally broke out with PWCC and the Mantle.

I don't think he trimmed cards and sold them - but he did very heavily promote these "gems" and their sales publicly and personally.

Cards like this are not out there - he needs them to be. There's no way Joe Orlando didn't know what was going on - I think he just turned his head and benefited from great press and publicity - it was these sales that caused hype in the marketplace and growth for PSA that landed him a the CEO spot at Collector's Universe - there's the motive.

Personally, Joe Orlando at PSA is the guy I think the FBI needs to focus more on than anyone else.

I'm starting to think this too.


1. The bitter response to the public to all this being uncovered in the first place, essentially blaming collectors for uncovering this fraud
2. former employees of psa now being uncovered by BODA with a finite talent for trimming
3. the cozy relationships with known trimmers
4. the lack of transparency in releasing information regarding what cards were trimmed



Yes, I know, nothing verified here, but if it looks like a dog, barks like a dog.........

[corndog]

PSA Cert #23285557

1961 Topps Willie Mays #579

Value gain of $972.95

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller vintage-quikjam as a PSA 8 for $175.50 on December 22, 2013.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 9 for $1,148.45 on October 08, 2014.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1037937

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge.

[corndog]

***This is the 100th vintage PSA 10 that I have found that is a result of a card-buyer submission to PSA.

*** I am going to post these even though there is no sign of any appearance change that I can confirm. I have come across too many of these to be considered an anomaly. Is it a lucky re-sub or funny business with PSA? Are the graders inconsistent or intentional? I just don't believe, in my personal opinion, that anyone else submitting these vintage cards would receive a 10 with regularity like card-guy has.

PSA Cert #27220833

1961 Topps Willie Mays #579 - Population 1 of 1

Value gain of $5,395.01

This card was purchased by Ebay ID card-buyer from Ebay seller 61collector44 as a PSA 8 for $259.99 on March 03, 2016.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC (Brent and Betsy Huigens) as a PSA 10 for $5,655.00 on June 08, 2017.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1499628

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
No back image provided with first sale.
Can find no evidence of trimming but can see that the magenta (red) ink registration is clearly off left to right which should have never allowed this card to receive a 10 in the first place.

[smackvay]

it has been said a million times, but thank you for all the hard work. EVERYONE involved thank you.

Will anything actually happen to card-buyer?

Mike

[jlzinck]

Originally Posted by corndog

Rich Katz (card-buyer) and PSA's Joe Orlando.

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Holy crap add LoveIt can no kids should be within 100 miles of that club