PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc - Page 228

corndog · 10-26-2019, 01:35 AM

Moser purchase/alteration.

PSA Cert #20870980

1948 Leaf Warren Spahn #32

Value gain of $591.23

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Portland Leaf.

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller just_collect as a PSA 6 for $432.00 on June 17, 2012.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 7 for $1,023.23 on February 05, 2013.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/340374

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. No back image provided.

corndog · 10-26-2019, 01:58 AM

Moser purchase/alteration.

PSA Cert #10872695

1948 Leaf Phil Rizzuto #11

Value gain of $398.01

Set Registry: none

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller rockbottomsports as a PSA 4 for $86.55 on November 20, 2007.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 7 for $484.56 on April 05, 2011.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/78026

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. Obviously cleaned with an unknown substance. No back image provided.

corndog · 10-26-2019, 02:27 AM

Moser purchase/alteration.

PSA Cert #10872697

1948 Leaf Hank Sauer #20 (short print) - Pop 1 of 6

Value gain of $1,199.00

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including cardyman.

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller yorktownsc as a PSA 7 for $1,126.00 on October 08, 2007.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...20/42407/PSA/7

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $2,325.00 on September 07, 2016.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1341221

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. Cleaned with an unknown substance. No back image provided.

corndog · 10-26-2019, 06:29 AM

Moser purchase/alteration.

PSA Cert #10872691

1951 Bowman Bob Feller #30

Value gain of $1,199.00

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Stan's 1951 Bowman Set.

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller bucks1996 as a PSA 7 for $176.38 on December 06, 2007.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $364.00 on August 11, 2009.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/59513

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. The print flaw (hickey) patterns in the black name box match. No back image provided.

corndog · 10-26-2019, 06:45 AM

Interesting observation in researching Moser's PSA submission list cert numbers.

The Feller card that I just posted is #10872191.
The Rizzuto card posted above that is #10872695.

These are the cert numbers between those two cards:

10872692 - 1937 O-PEE-CHEE Baldy Northcutt #156 - PSA 4
10872693 - 1937 O-PEE-CHEE Gus Marker #173 - PSA 6
10872694 - 1937 O-PEE-CHEE Bill McKenzie #151 - PSA 4

All three cards have no sale record in their current cert number.
All three cards have no prior graded card purchase by whitman111 (Moser).

All three cards reside in a PSA Set Registry of someone named ricky.

Once outed as a card doctor, the whitman111 Ebay ID was changed to ricky-leo.

It could just be a coincidence.

corndog · 10-26-2019, 08:44 AM

Moser purchase/alteration.

PSA Cert #10872685

1953 Bowman Color Vic Raschi #27

Value gain of $331.09

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Capecards.

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller champsandbums as a PSA 7 for $116.91 on December 06, 2007.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $448.00 on June 07, 2017.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1509927

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. No back image provided.

corndog · 10-27-2019, 04:56 AM

Moser purchase/alteration.

PSA Cert #24507586

1951 Parkhurst Gus Bodnar #40

Value gain of $152.50

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Dan's 51 Parkies.

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller davidbvintage as a SGC 7 for $77.00 on June 14, 2015.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/h...0/75375/SGC/84

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $229.50 on October 19, 2015.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1178047

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. No back image provided.

corndog · 10-27-2019, 10:50 AM

***This card is not tied to OCSI or PWCC/Moser that I am aware of. I am putting it here for now as I see no reason to begin a new thread. Rick Probstein will have a record of who he consigned the card from.

***This card was purchased by a buyer with the same masked VCP id (r***t) as the trimmed Bobby Hull (post #5576) and Mickey Mantle (post #5585) cards .

PSA Cert #28589595

1957 Topps Roberto Clemente #76

Value gain of $4,114.19

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including BBCards4U2.

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID r***t from jla1222 as a PSA 7 for $598.00 on April 05, 2017.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 9 for $4,712.19 on August 05, 2018.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...76/66334/PSA/9

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.

Bruins1993 · 10-27-2019, 06:36 PM

***This card is not tied to OCSI or PWCC/Moser that I am aware of. I am posting it here for now since I see no reason to begin a new thread.***

Heritage Auctions will have a record of who consigned the SGC 9 card.

SGC Cert # 3845527

1934 Goudey #37 LOU GEHRIG

Value gain estimated at $55,199.00 in today's market using an average PSA 8 Price of $28,801.00 (VCP average).

This card has a record / image of being purchased in a Legendary Auction as a PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100) on March 17, 2001 for $16,812.00.

Auction description included:
“The lower left corner has the slightest hint of wear. The card is centered 45/55 top to bottom and 60/40 left to right.”

Same card was sold by Heritage Auctions as a SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) on April 18, 2019 for $84,000.00.

Heritage link: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1.../50012-51451.s

On Heritage Auctions site (HA.com) there is a “Make offer to Owner” buttom presently visible (as of October 27th 12PM ET) and below it states “This item's Owner is proactively entertaining Offers.”

Red circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and bottom edges.

PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100):

SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527):

PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100):

SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) Heritage sale with offers still being accepted as of this posting:

-----------------------(Original post above this line)----------------------------

UPDATED with higher resolution images of card before being trimmed.

***This card is not tied to OCSI or PWCC/Moser that I am aware of. I am posting it here for now since I see no reason to begin a new thread.***

Heritage Auctions will have a record of who consigned the SGC 9 card.

SGC Cert # 3845527

1934 Goudey #37 LOU GEHRIG

Value gain estimated at $55,199.00 in today's market using an average PSA 8 Price of $28,801.00 (VCP average).

This card has an old record / image of being purchased in a Legendary Auction as a PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100) on March 17, 2001 for $16,812.00 with auction description that included:
“The lower left corner has the slightest hint of wear. The card is centered 45/55 top to bottom and 60/40 left to right.”

This card has a record / image of being purchased in a Legendary Auction as a PSA 8 (Cert # 11178363) on March 5, 2010 for $17,775.00.

*** Between PSA Cert # 11178363 Legendary sale in 2010 and SGC Cert # 3945527 sale in 2019 the card was trimmed on left and bottom edges ***

Same card was sold by Heritage Auctions as a SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) on April 18, 2019 for $84,000.00.

Heritage link: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1.../50012-51451.s

On Heritage Auctions site (HA.com) there is a “Make offer to Owner” buttom presently visible (as of October 27th 12PM ET) and below it states “This item's Owner is proactively entertaining Offers.”

Red circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and bottom edges.

PSA 8 (Cert # 11178363) image from VCP* of March 2010 Legendary sale:

SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) image from HA.com on April 18, 2019:

PSA 8 (Cert # 11178363) back image from Card Target of March 2010 Legendary sale:

SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) back image from HA.com of April 18, 2019 sale:

MoreToppsPlease · 10-27-2019, 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

***This card is not tied to OCSI or PWCC/Moser that I am aware of. I am posting it here for now since I see no reason to begin a new thread.***

Heritage Auctions will have a record of who consigned the SGC 9 card.

SGC Cert # 3845527

1934 Goudey #37 LOU GEHRIG

Value gain estimated at $55,199.00 in today's market using an average PSA 8 Price of $28,801.00 (VCP average).

This card has a record / image of being purchased in a Legendary Auction as a PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100) on March 17, 2001 for $16,812.00.

Auction description included:

“The lower left corner has the slightest hint of wear. The card is centered 45/55 top to bottom and 60/40 left to right.”

Same card was sold by Heritage Auctions as a SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) on April 18, 2019 for $84,000.00.

Heritage link: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1.../50012-51451.s

On Heritage Auctions site (HA.com) there is a “Make offer to Owner” buttom presently visible (as of October 27th 12PM ET) and below it states “This item's Owner is proactively entertaining Offers.”

Red circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.

Red boxes identify trimmed left and bottom edges.

PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100):

SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527):

PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100):

SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) Heritage sale with offers still being accepted as of this posting:

Wow.

And altered cards that fraudulently gain more than $50K DEFINITELY deserve their own threads...

hxcmilkshake · 10-27-2019, 08:14 PM

Hey its centered now lol

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ken161 · 10-27-2019, 08:35 PM

Over roughly the last three years, there have been 25 of the 1957 Topps Clemente that have sold in PSA9 (according to VCP). I wonder how many have been legit? No fewer than eight were auctioned by PWCC. And all but one of the 25 were sold through some sort of auction house, where the seller's ID was masked. I realize auction houses can be an attractive and convenient option for big $$$ cards, but I'd love to see a list of consignors for those 25 cards. I bet we'd see some familiar names.

The vast majority also reside in a fairly recent PSA slab (granted, some were probably re-holdered). Who knew there was a warehouse find of pristine 1957 Topps cases in recent years?

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

***This card is not tied to OCSI or PWCC/Moser that I am aware of. I am putting it here for now as I see no reason to begin a new thread. Rick Probstein will have a record of who he consigned the card from.

***This card was purchased by a buyer with the same masked VCP id (r***t) as the trimmed Bobby Hull (post #5576) and Mickey Mantle (post #5585) cards .

PSA Cert #28589595

1957 Topps Roberto Clemente #76

Value gain of $4,114.19

This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including BBCards4U2.

This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID r***t from jla1222 as a PSA 7 for $598.00 on April 05, 2017.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999

Same card was sold by Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 9 for $4,712.19 on August 05, 2018.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...76/66334/PSA/9

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge.

Zan · 10-27-2019, 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

On Heritage Auctions site (HA.com) there is a “Make offer to Owner” buttom presently visible (as of October 27th 12PM ET) and below it states “This item's Owner is proactively entertaining Offers.”

Fwiw, Heritage will allow this feature on many lots organically, and has nothing to do with the buyers request to move the card.

corndog · 10-28-2019, 03:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

Hey its centered now lol

Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

That first image is from 2001.
Nice work tracking that down!

HarryLime · 10-28-2019, 08:23 AM

Heritage & SGC? I'm SHOCKED!

Arthur

superdan49 · 10-28-2019, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Heritage & SGC? I'm SHOCKED!

Arthur

One of the facts lost in all the PWCC madness of the past few months is that the '52 Topps Mantle card that launched this thread was altered sometime between the OP's photo of the card in raw shape and Heritage's possession of the card the first time it was graded. That was when the alterations were made. Heritage's role in this scandal has yet to be fully explored.

pip · 10-28-2019, 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HarryLime

Heritage & SGC? I'm SHOCKED!

Arthur

What proof is there of Heritage collusion?I have seen no such evidence.

corndog · 10-29-2019, 03:53 PM

This card was purchased by the whitman111 Ebay account on August 19, 2018. The card was trimmed, graded and sold by PWCC on November, 08, 2018. The trimming scandal broke in April and Gary Moser was outed in early May and the FBI became involved in July. This same trimmed card was auctioned off again and sold by PWCC on August 26, 2019.

PSA Cert #41697295

1950 Bowman Duke Snider #77

Value gain of $621.12

Set Registry: none

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller rcharrod as a PSA 7 for $268.88 on August 19, 2018.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...77/70185/PSA/7

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $1,848.00 on November 08, 2018.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1863985

Same card was sold again by PWCC for $890.00 on August 26, 2019.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2070797

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge. Some of the stain has been removed from the back. Back image provided in first sale data was cropped by the seller.

MoreToppsPlease · 10-29-2019, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

This card was purchased by the whitman111 Ebay account on August 19, 2018. The card was trimmed, graded and sold by PWCC on November, 08, 2018. The trimming scandal broke in April and Gary Moser was outed in early May and the FBI became involved in July. This same trimmed card was auctioned off again and sold by PWCC on August 26, 2019.

PSA Cert #41697295

1950 Bowman Duke Snider #77

Value gain of $621.12

Set Registry: none

This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller rcharrod as a PSA 7 for $268.88 on August 19, 2018.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...77/70185/PSA/7

Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $1,848.00 on November 08, 2018.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1863985

Same card was sold again by PWCC for $890.00 on August 26, 2019.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2070797

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed top edge. Some of the stain has been removed from the back. Back image provided in first sale data was cropped by the seller.

So this card sold $1K less the second time around, a huge percentage decrease.

One could speculate that BODA contributed to the decline.

ken161 · 10-29-2019, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by corndog

This card was purchased by the whitman111 Ebay account on August 19, 2018. The card was trimmed, graded and sold by PWCC on November, 08, 2018. The trimming scandal broke in April and Gary Moser was outed in early May and the FBI became involved in July. This same trimmed card was auctioned off again and sold by PWCC on August 26, 2019.

The conclusion I would draw from this is that PWCC continues to be less than vigilant. They know where the bodies are buried, so to speak. I'm assuming they have a list of PSA serial numbers of cards submitted by outed card doctors. I wouldn't think this would terribly difficult to check. Perhaps they could put an "originally consigned by an outed card doctor" sticker on the back of the card, not unlike their "premium quality" stickers.

It's also interesting that the Bowman Snider went for half as much the second go around as a PSA8. Perhaps people are waking up, or maybe this is just an anomaly.

texmrsport · 10-29-2019, 06:38 PM

That card should have never got past PSA. The way the ink is all broken up on the lettering is a dead giveaway for bleaching/chemical treatment. Whoever graded it has zero knowledge about cards from that era.

pip · 10-29-2019, 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ken161

The conclusion I would draw from this is that PWCC continues to be less than vigilant. They know where the bodies are buried, so to speak. I'm assuming they have a list of PSA serial numbers of cards submitted by outed card doctors. I wouldn't think this would terribly difficult to check. Perhaps they could put an "originally consigned by an outed card doctor" sticker on the back of the card, not unlike their "premium quality" stickers.

It's also interesting that the Bowman Snider went for half as much the second go around as a PSA8. Perhaps people are waking up, or maybe this is just an anomaly.

This may someday be a reality. There are some in the hobby (besides BODA) who are working to "out" all the altered cards. More about this will be known in the next several months.

As for that 1934 Goudey Gehrig, it's beyond pathetic.

pip · 10-29-2019, 07:02 PM

Shouldn't the first 1950 Bowman Snider have been a PSA 7 ST?

Anyhow, another nice card has beeen forever ruined. Would have loved to have owned the original card. Wouldn't touch the PSA 8 at any price.

tconte · 10-29-2019, 07:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pip

As for that 1934 Goudey Gehrig, it's beyond pathetic.

And awfully skinny too!

mjohnatgt · 10-29-2019, 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bruins1993

1934 Goudey #37 LOU GEHRIG
Same card was sold by Heritage Auctions as a SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) on April 18, 2019 for $84,000.00.

In case you didn't browse Net54 today, it appears that PWCC lawyer Jeff Lichtman is saying that the card is being "addressed" in post #714. The says the same about the Bobby Hull a couple of posts later.

http://www.net54baseball.com/showthr...269583&page=15

10-26-2019, 01:35 AM	#5676
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,092	Moser purchase/alteration. PSA Cert #20870980 1948 Leaf Warren Spahn #32 Value gain of $591.23 This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Portland Leaf. This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller just_collect as a PSA 6 for $432.00 on June 17, 2012. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 7 for $1,023.23 on February 05, 2013. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/340374 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. No back image provided. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

10-26-2019, 01:58 AM	#5677
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,092	Moser purchase/alteration. PSA Cert #10872695 1948 Leaf Phil Rizzuto #11 Value gain of $398.01 Set Registry: none This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller rockbottomsports as a PSA 4 for $86.55 on November 20, 2007. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 7 for $484.56 on April 05, 2011. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/78026 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. Obviously cleaned with an unknown substance. No back image provided. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

10-26-2019, 02:27 AM	#5678
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,092	Moser purchase/alteration. PSA Cert #10872697 1948 Leaf Hank Sauer #20 (short print) - Pop 1 of 6 Value gain of $1,199.00 This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including cardyman. This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller yorktownsc as a PSA 7 for $1,126.00 on October 08, 2007. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...20/42407/PSA/7 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $2,325.00 on September 07, 2016. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1341221 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. Cleaned with an unknown substance. No back image provided. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

10-26-2019, 06:29 AM	#5679
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,092	Moser purchase/alteration. PSA Cert #10872691 1951 Bowman Bob Feller #30 Value gain of $1,199.00 This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Stan's 1951 Bowman Set. This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller bucks1996 as a PSA 7 for $176.38 on December 06, 2007. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $364.00 on August 11, 2009. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/59513 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. The print flaw (hickey) patterns in the black name box match. No back image provided. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

10-26-2019, 06:45 AM	#5680
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,092	Interesting observation in researching Moser's PSA submission list cert numbers. The Feller card that I just posted is #10872191. The Rizzuto card posted above that is #10872695. These are the cert numbers between those two cards: 10872692 - 1937 O-PEE-CHEE Baldy Northcutt #156 - PSA 4 10872693 - 1937 O-PEE-CHEE Gus Marker #173 - PSA 6 10872694 - 1937 O-PEE-CHEE Bill McKenzie #151 - PSA 4 All three cards have no sale record in their current cert number. All three cards have no prior graded card purchase by whitman111 (Moser). All three cards reside in a PSA Set Registry of someone named ricky. Once outed as a card doctor, the whitman111 Ebay ID was changed to ricky-leo. It could just be a coincidence. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

10-26-2019, 08:44 AM	#5681
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,092	Moser purchase/alteration. PSA Cert #10872685 1953 Bowman Color Vic Raschi #27 Value gain of $331.09 This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Capecards. This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller champsandbums as a PSA 7 for $116.91 on December 06, 2007. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $448.00 on June 07, 2017. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1509927 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. No back image provided. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

10-27-2019, 04:56 AM	#5682
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,092	Moser purchase/alteration. PSA Cert #24507586 1951 Parkhurst Gus Bodnar #40 Value gain of $152.50 This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including Dan's 51 Parkies. This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller davidbvintage as a SGC 7 for $77.00 on June 14, 2015. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/h...0/75375/SGC/84 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $229.50 on October 19, 2015. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1178047 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. No back image provided. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

10-27-2019, 10:50 AM	#5683
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,092	*This card is not tied to OCSI or PWCC/Moser that I am aware of. I am putting it here for now as I see no reason to begin a new thread. Rick Probstein will have a record of who he consigned the card from. This card was purchased by a buyer with the same masked VCP id (rt) as the trimmed Bobby Hull (post #5576) and Mickey Mantle (post #5585) cards . PSA Cert #28589595 1957 Topps Roberto Clemente #76 Value gain of $4,114.19 This cert is currently in Set Registry inventory and is featured in one or more sets, including BBCards4U2. This card was purchased by VCP masked buyer ID r*t from jla1222 as a PSA 7 for $598.00 on April 05, 2017. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...=&limit=999999 Same card was sold by Ebay seller probstein123 as a PSA 9 for $4,712.19 on August 05, 2018. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...76/66334/PSA/9 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red box identifies trimmed bottom edge. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal.

10-27-2019, 06:36 PM	#5684
Bruins1993 Member Join Date: Jun 2019 Location: Stuck inside of Mobile Posts: 1,291	*This card is not tied to OCSI or PWCC/Moser that I am aware of. I am posting it here for now since I see no reason to begin a new thread.* Heritage Auctions will have a record of who consigned the SGC 9 card. SGC Cert # 3845527 1934 Goudey #37 LOU GEHRIG Value gain estimated at $55,199.00 in today's market using an average PSA 8 Price of $28,801.00 (VCP average). This card has a record / image of being purchased in a Legendary Auction as a PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100) on March 17, 2001 for $16,812.00. Auction description included: “The lower left corner has the slightest hint of wear. The card is centered 45/55 top to bottom and 60/40 left to right.” Same card was sold by Heritage Auctions as a SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) on April 18, 2019 for $84,000.00. Heritage link: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1.../50012-51451.s On Heritage Auctions site (HA.com) there is a “Make offer to Owner” buttom presently visible (as of October 27th 12PM ET) and below it states “This item's Owner is proactively entertaining Offers.” Red circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red boxes identify trimmed left and bottom edges. PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100): SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527): PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100): SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) Heritage sale with offers still being accepted as of this posting: -----------------------(Original post above this line)---------------------------- UPDATED with higher resolution images of card before being trimmed. *This card is not tied to OCSI or PWCC/Moser that I am aware of. I am posting it here for now since I see no reason to begin a new thread.* Heritage Auctions will have a record of who consigned the SGC 9 card. SGC Cert # 3845527 1934 Goudey #37 LOU GEHRIG Value gain estimated at $55,199.00 in today's market using an average PSA 8 Price of $28,801.00 (VCP average). This card has an old record / image of being purchased in a Legendary Auction as a PSA 8 (Cert # 08160100) on March 17, 2001 for $16,812.00 with auction description that included: “The lower left corner has the slightest hint of wear. The card is centered 45/55 top to bottom and 60/40 left to right.” This card has a record / image of being purchased in a Legendary Auction as a PSA 8 (Cert # 11178363) on March 5, 2010 for $17,775.00. * Between PSA Cert # 11178363 Legendary sale in 2010 and SGC Cert # 3945527 sale in 2019 the card was trimmed on left and bottom edges * Same card was sold by Heritage Auctions as a SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) on April 18, 2019 for $84,000.00. Heritage link: https://sports.ha.com/itm/baseball/1.../50012-51451.s On Heritage Auctions site (HA.com) there is a “Make offer to Owner” buttom presently visible (as of October 27th 12PM ET) and below it states “This item's Owner is proactively entertaining Offers.” Red circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red boxes identify trimmed left and bottom edges. PSA 8 (Cert # 11178363) image from VCP* of March 2010 Legendary sale: SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) image from HA.com on April 18, 2019: PSA 8 (Cert # 11178363) back image from Card Target of March 2010 Legendary sale: SGC 9 (Cert # 3845527) back image from HA.com of April 18, 2019 sale: __________________ #nevergetcheated Riiiiiiiiight Last edited by Bruins1993; 10-31-2019 at 12:33 AM.

10-27-2019, 08:14 PM	#5686
hxcmilkshake Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Location: Apopka FL Posts: 11,500 hxcmilkshake	Hey its centered now lol Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

10-28-2019, 08:23 AM	#5690
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	Heritage & SGC? I'm SHOCKED! Arthur

10-29-2019, 03:53 PM	#5693
corndog BODA Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: From a table in McDonalds, with lovely fake flowers on it. Posts: 18,092	This card was purchased by the whitman111 Ebay account on August 19, 2018. The card was trimmed, graded and sold by PWCC on November, 08, 2018. The trimming scandal broke in April and Gary Moser was outed in early May and the FBI became involved in July. This same trimmed card was auctioned off again and sold by PWCC on August 26, 2019. PSA Cert #41697295 1950 Bowman Duke Snider #77 Value gain of $621.12 Set Registry: none This card was purchased by whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller rcharrod as a PSA 7 for $268.88 on August 19, 2018. VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...77/70185/PSA/7 Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 8 for $1,848.00 on November 08, 2018. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1863985 Same card was sold again by PWCC for $890.00 on August 26, 2019. PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/2070797 Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers. Red box identifies trimmed top edge. Some of the stain has been removed from the back. Back image provided in first sale data was cropped by the seller. __________________ He has no rival, He has no equal. Last edited by corndog; 10-29-2019 at 05:24 PM.

10-29-2019, 06:38 PM	#5696
texmrsport Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 469	That card should have never got past PSA. The way the ink is all broken up on the lettering is a dead giveaway for bleaching/chemical treatment. Whoever graded it has zero knowledge about cards from that era.

10-29-2019, 07:02 PM	#5698
pip Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Location: French underground Posts: 4,009	Shouldn't the first 1950 Bowman Snider have been a PSA 7 ST? Anyhow, another nice card has beeen forever ruined. Would have loved to have owned the original card. Wouldn't touch the PSA 8 at any price.