PWCC Altered Cards Callout Thread - 1952 Topps Mantle etc

[tconte]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Incredible. I wish bidding patterns were visible, naturally I’d like to see how this and other altered cards were bid up.

When eBay took away the ability to see bidders, the cheats and shillers
threw a big party!

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by tconte

When eBay took away the ability to see bidders, the cheats and shillers

threw a big party!

One can still get something of an idea on eBay. But I don’t think you can through the auction houses (PWCC).

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:26511613

1951 Parkhurst #39 George C. Martin PSA 6 to PSA 9
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: None

Sold on 7/27/2016 as a PSA 6 by PWCC to b***y (an unknown masked ID) for $46.99
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 2/26/2017 as a PSA 9 for $2,060.00
Final price: $2,060.00
Value gain: $2,013.01!


This is another big money gainer from the '51 Parkie set. This particular card was purchased as a PSA 6 from PWCC and 7 months later becomes a trimmed PSA 9, also sold by PWCC. Due to the short window between winning the card and selling it again, the winning bidder, b***y is more than likely the trimmer or an agent of the trimmer. Common paper fibers and/or print marks are circled in blue. The trimmed edges are boxed in pink. If anyone has any information on the identity of the ID masked as b***y on vintagecardprices.com, please send it to me.


PSA 6: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1314702
PSA 9: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1432733

[3124508 on COMC]

b***y is known. I can't remember who that is at the moment though.

Edit: card-buyer on VCP, right?

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:23967304

1951 Parkhurst #32 Ray Barry PSA 7 to PSA 8
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: Cert # not found in PSA database

Sold on 1/12/2015 as a PSA 7 by eBay seller silverprincess12 to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $71.00
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 4/16/2015 as a PSA 8 for $184.39
Final price: $184.39
Value gain: $113.39


A slight trim on the left edge boosted this card from a PSA 7 to a PSA 8, which is noted with the green boxes. Matching paper fibers and prink marks circled in red confirm a match. Most curious of all is why this certification number has been removed from the PSA database. Did someone else crack it out and turn in the certification number to PSA? More investigations on this to come.


PSA 7: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/h...32/75381/PSA/7
PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1091892

[cking]

Originally Posted by superdan49

PSA Cert #:26511613

1951 Parkhurst #39 George C. Martin PSA 6 to PSA 9
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: None

Sold on 7/27/2016 as a PSA 6 by PWCC to b***y (an unknown masked ID) for $46.99
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 2/26/2017 as a PSA 9 for $2,060.00
Final price: $2,060.00
Value gain: $2,013.01!


This is another big money gainer from the '51 Parkie set. This particular card was purchased as a PSA 6 from PWCC and 7 months later becomes a trimmed PSA 9, also sold by PWCC. Due to the short window between winning the card and selling it again, the winning bidder, b***y is more than likely the trimmer or an agent of the trimmer. Common paper fibers and/or print marks are circled in blue. The trimmed edges are boxed in pink. If anyone has any information on the identity of the ID masked as b***y on vintagecardprices.com, please send it to me.


PSA 6: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1314702
PSA 9: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1432733

Dang, they lopped off some huge pieces on those left and right edges...jeez............how does PSA miss that?

PSA has got to wonder where all this high grade vintage is coming from, dont they?

Or do they know its no good and been trimmed and grade it anyway?

What gives here? Its either one or the other.

They dont know its trimmed and grade it

or

They know its trimmed, dont care and grade it anyway

Which do you guys think it is?

[pip]

Originally Posted by cking

Dang, they lopped off some huge pieces on those left and right edges...jeez............how does PSA miss that?

PSA has got to wonder where all this high grade vintage is coming from, dont they?

Or do they know its no good and been trimmed and grade it anyway?

What gives here? Its either one or the other.

They dont know its trimmed and grade it

or

They know its trimmed, dont care and grade it anyway

Which do you guys think it is?

An upcoming thread will hopefully reveal more about this and make the situation somewhat more clear.

[corndog]

The Vintage Card Curator on Youtube has done a remarkable job piecing together the information in 312's MUST READ TRIMMING THREAD: COMC- HawkDynasty,cccardfactory,LORDSTANLEY2012|PWCC|ih8ca thread and explaining the complexity of the fraud.

This is the video he made titled: Card Buyer & The Undermining of the Vintage Baseball Card Market

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by corndog

The Vintage Card Curator on Youtube has done a remarkable job piecing together the information in 312's MUST READ TRIMMING THREAD: COMC- HawkDynasty,cccardfactory,LORDSTANLEY2012|PWCC|ih8ca thread and explaining the complexity of the fraud.

This is the video he made titled: Card Buyer & The Undermining of the Vintage Baseball Card Market

Great recap video. Thanks for sharing.

[superdan49]

Posted by Corndog in another thread. I'm re-posting here as this thread has become the "thread of record" for all cards funneled by card doctors through PWCC.

Originally Posted by corndog

This card purchased by Will Jaimet ties in with the card used the this new thread titled "Anatomy of a Typical Altered PWCC Card" found here: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1334228

PSA Cert #27843823

1965 Topps Gerry Cheevers #31 - Population 1 of 2
PSA Set Registry: private registry

Value gain of $6,361.00


This card was purchased by VCP masked ID t***9 (Will Jaimet) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 8 for $431.00 on June 20, 2017.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1506375

Sale as shown in VCP:



Same card was sold by PWCC as a PSA 10 for $6,792.00 on October 26, 2017.
PWCC Marketplace link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1567562

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies trimmed left edge and formed "bat-ear" corners.

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:29029283

1951 Topps Ringside #95 Gene Tunney PSA 5.5 to PSA 8
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: In a user's private Registry

Sold on 5/1/2017 as a PSA 5.5 by eBay seller itsahit to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $167.50
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/29/20188 as a PSA 8 for $686.00
Final price: $686.00
Value gain: $518.50


A significant amount of each edge was chopped off by the card doctor on the '51 Topps Ringside card. Once again, the card was purchased by Gary Moser's whitman111 eBay ID and sold first through PWCC. There was no reverse scan provided by the eBay seller of the PSA 5.5, but there were plenty of print marks and/or paper fibers (circled in blue) on the front to confirm the match. Pink boxes show the trimmed edges.



PSA 5.5: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b...101378/PSA/5.5
PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1820730

[ken161]

Already up to 1500 views. Graded card collectors are a relatively small fraternity. Little by little, the word is getting out! Great job putting this together, Vintage Card Curator!

Originally Posted by corndog

The Vintage Card Curator on Youtube has done a remarkable job piecing together the information in 312's MUST READ TRIMMING THREAD: COMC- HawkDynasty,cccardfactory,LORDSTANLEY2012|PWCC|ih8ca thread and explaining the complexity of the fraud.

This is the video he made titled: Card Buyer & The Undermining of the Vintage Baseball Card Market

[pip]

Originally Posted by ken161

Already up to 1500 views. Graded card collectors are a relatively small fraternity. Little by little, the word is getting out! Great job putting this together, Vintage Card Curator!

"It's like cardbuyer unleashed a cancer into our hobby."

https://youtu.be/KthnmVDnEEs?t=461

That about sums things up. Good video.

[corndog]

This card purchased by Will Jaimet ties in with the card used in this new thread titled
"Anatomy of a Typical Altered PWCC Card" found here: https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1334228
The cards are from the same PSA submission.

When Jaimet purchased the card from PWCC, it had already been altered by Gary Moser/Brent Huigens from a PSA 6 to a PSA 7.5.
The card has twice passed through the PSA experts as an altered card with alteration on top of alteration.
A fingerprint analysis of this card would be fun.

Below is the timeline.

PSA Cert #27843816

1948 Leaf Bob Waterfield #26 (black letters)

PSA Set Registry: none

Value gain of $2,079.99


This card was initially purchased by Ebay ID whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller just_collect as a PSA 6 for $246.94 on October 28, 2012.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/f...=&limit=999999

Moser purchase data from VCP:



This card was altered, regraded by PSA and then resold. It was purchased by VCP masked ID t***9 (Will Jaimet) from Ebay seller PWCC as a PSA 7.5 for $560.01 on May 17, 2017.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/f.../87270/PSA/7.5

Will Jaimet purchase shown in VCP:



The same card was once again cracked out, altered, and regraded to a PSA 8. The card was then consigned to and sold by Heritage Auctions as a PSA 8 for $2,640.00 on November 18, 2017.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/f...nt/87270/PSA/8

Final sale shown in VCP - buyer unknown:



First purchase by Gary Moser and subsequent sale images:

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red boxes identify trimmed left and right edges. The spots in the jersey are a match. The white areas showing where the red is mis-registered also matches. No back image provided with the first sale data.
I resized down the second image to match the size of the blurry first image.



Second purchase by Will Jaimet and subsequent sale images:

Second purchase by Will Jaimet and sale:

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Red box identifies common print mark of this card was removed from top border.
I have included cropped images from three other cards showing the same spot.





Three other cards showing the same common printing flaw:

[ken161]

It's time for another card doctor to step to the plate and turn this card into a PSA10.

Never get cheated.

Originally Posted by corndog

When Jaimet purchased the card from PWCC, it had already been altered by Gary Moser/Brent Huigens from a PSA 6 to a PSA 7.5.
The card has twice passed through the PSA experts as an altered card with alteration on top of alteration.
A fingerprint analysis of this card would be fun.

[pip]

Corndog, that would actually be comical on the 48 Leaf Waterfield if it wasn't so criminal.

[signed79]

Originally Posted by corndog

The Vintage Card Curator on Youtube has done a remarkable job piecing together the information in 312's MUST READ TRIMMING THREAD: COMC- HawkDynasty,cccardfactory,LORDSTANLEY2012|PWCC|ih8ca thread and explaining the complexity of the fraud.

This is the video he made titled: Card Buyer & The Undermining of the Vintage Baseball Card Market

I like his videos. If you're reading this look at the PSA 10 1989 Topps Joe Sakic rookie pop numbers. It was like a POP 2 FOR a decade then quadrupled in months. 1989 is the year Topps is worth more than OPC in hockey.

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...akic-rc-psa-10

An interesting read on submission results from 1989 Topps and how hard 10s are to get

https://forums.collectors.com/discus...the-raws-again

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:41008273

1953 Parkhurst #4 Bob Hassard PSA 7 to PSA 8
Alteration types: Trimming
Set Registry status: BigWes' 53 Parkhurst Set

Sold on 10/26/2017 as a PSA 7 by PWCC to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $135.50
Consigned to PWCC and sold on 10/28/2018 as a PSA 8 for $343.00
Final price: $343.00
Value gain: $207.50


A substantial right edge trim turned this '53 Parkie Hassard from a PSA 7 into a PSA 8, as shown in the red boxes. Green circles are paper fibers and/or print marks showing that the two cards are indeed one and the same.


PSA 7: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1567248
PSA 8: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1818911

[corndog]

Came across this when searching for a Jaimet card.
Card was sold by Heritage after Moser had already been outed.


SGC Cert #0657157

1969 Topps Lew Alcindor #25

Value gain of $13,926.21

This card was purchased by Ebay ID whitman111 (Gary Moser) from Ebay seller PWCC as a SGC 8 for $3,473.79 on September 20, 2017.
PWCC link: https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1543825

Same card was sold by Heritage Auctions as a PSA 9 for $17,400.00 on July 20, 2019.
VCP link: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/b.../155216/SGC/96

Yellow circles are print, fiber, or chipping identifiers.
Due to the large white borders on the front and back and the not so crisp PWCC scans, I cannot confirm anything other than all images are of the same card.

[pip]

Looks like PSA isn't the only TPG that needs to buy blacklights for its graders. Some of those corners have definitely been improved.

[superdan49]

PSA Cert #:24822144

1953 Parkhurst #46 Terry Sawchuk SGC 4 to PSA 8
Alteration types: Trimming, major corner rebuild
Set Registry status: In a user's private Registry

Sold on 9/8/2015 as a SGC 4 by eBay seller laketrout2010 to whitman111 (Gary Moser's eBay ID) for $49.99
Consigned to eBay seller www.stevenovella.com and sold on 5/3/2016 as a PSA 8 for $343.00
Final price: $567.00
Value gain: $517.01


This card features a slight right border trim (boxed in green), but most impressive of all is the card doctor's rebuild of one of the lower corners. Looking at the blue boxes on the reverse, you can see the lower right corner appears worn down and chewed up. On the PSA 8, it has been repaired into a near-perfect corner. Purple circles show paper fibers/print marks that confirm the cards are the same. This card was another sold through dealer Steve Novella, who sold Gary Moser cards for a time.

On another note, how did this card receive a PSA 8 with that sizable orange area of discoloration on the back?


SGC 4: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/h.../164735/SGC/50
PSA 8: https://vintagecardprices.com/card/h...6/164735/PSA/8

[pip]

Originally Posted by superdan49

On another note, how did this card receive a PSA 8 with that sizable orange area of discoloration on the back?

Good questions. Not only did PSA ignore/not see the alterations, they totally missed the orange discoloration. If the card were indeed legit, it is a PSA 8 ST all day long.

[signed79]

I spent a lot of my free time this weekend inspecting PSA graded cards (the ones that I'm keeping) with a blacklight to detect alterations (a service I already paid them for) and then cracking the cards out with pliers and storing them in binders where they belong. I'll never buy another graded card and will never give them any of my money ever again.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by signed79

I spent a lot of my free time this weekend inspecting PSA graded cards (the ones that I'm keeping) with a blacklight to detect alterations (a service I already paid them for) and then cracking the cards out with pliers and storing them in binders where they belong. I'll never buy another graded card and will never give them any of my money ever again.

how are your sales going?

[signed79]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

how are your sales going?

Graded cards still selling strong.

Most people don't know.

Canadians not paying.

Non sport collectors pay timely.