Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC

[IgnatiusJReilly]

Originally Posted by bravesfan#1

They still are. In my personal interactions at the National this past year, nearly all of the dudes dealing in high end were complete pricks. Not buying my $1,000 cards? Get lost. Not bringing me stuff to sell or trade? Scram. Have questions about things? I'll sit here on my phone and ignore you. My most pleasant interactions at shows are always the guys with low-mid end stuff and there to have fun. Not the guys that are always on edge worrying about how much profit they are making.

I bet dealers are mostly awful. The only reason I came back to the hobby is that I could use eBay to find the singles I wanted (unlimited market access) and I had awareness of the current market value through sold listings. Then I was pleased that TPGs existed because while I didn’t trust them completely in their assessment, I felt like it was somewhat of a security blanket. Now that it’s clear the system is both biased (of course people who submit a lot get preferential grading) and incompetent, the fundamental structures supporting the modern hobby have failed.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[rman112]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

That very may be the case. We didn't have sleepovers and take baths together. I'm just saying I got a chance to get to know him as a collector and a person. His responses here are EXACTLY what I would expect.

We're talking about a guy who listed a 1988 Topps Bo Jackson PSA 1 on eBay with stuff in the title like "Pop 1" "Rarer than the Wagner!" and stuff like that for like $100,000 just so he could eff with people. It was glorious. The responses he got from people were amazing and he would just keep effing with them. I was crying.

I don't think he gives a gravy boat full squid squash what the people in this thread think.

Arthur

I've found that to be the case with everyone who's gotten caught trimming cards on here.

[rman112]

Are people actually trimming extremely valuable cards with an $18.99 paper trimmer?

[HarryLime]

I know if I'm going to start trimming tens of thousands of dollars of cards and money is no issue I'm def going with the $18.99 guillotine special on eBay.

I'm not saying the guy is innocent. I'm saying I'm not convinced he's guilty. I think it's much more plausible that the dbag who has been the reigning champ in the dbag weight class for a year now WASN'T telling the truth when he named card doctors and that he had ulterior motives.

I don't see a financial motive here and the behavior is antithetical to what I know about Evan as a collector. Having said all that, my goal here is not to convince anyone of anything nor change anyone's minds so I'll quietly bow out of the thread and apologize in advance for any possible derailments my comments may have caused by my fan club.

Arthur

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by rman112

Are people actually trimming extremely valuable cards with an $18.99 paper trimmer?

My guess is the card doctors try a variety of models, perhaps different devices for different eras and types of cards.

[gmarutiak]

So, is the word "cardology" simply defined as "the science of trimming cards"?

It was right in front of our faces this entire time!

[rman112]

Originally Posted by superdan49

My guess is the card doctors try a variety of models, perhaps different devices for different eras and types of cards.

That would make sense. Cheap practice.

[epatmythes]

When someone offers a differing opinion or hypothesizes and/or raises legitimate & sincere questions... some BODA responds with stuff like...

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I didn’t miss my mark. You can’t pin everything on Brent.

Let’s see your supporting evidence.

How some people wish those with a BODA tag actually responded to such posts and/or treated other people...

Originally Posted by pejc300

You are one of the smartest guys on these boards. I mean that. What has been laid out here is 100% fact. It’s been known for a while and was a matter of time. This is one of those sad moments when you realize an acquaintance you trust/liked is dirty like the rest of them. He does like cards. Most of them do. He started with good intentions. Most of them do. Ultimately, he bowed to money and greed, like they all do.

This one might take a while for you to digest, but it is reality. Also, his responses here (and it IS him) tell you all you need to know about the guy.

I can't refute the evidence about Evan. I find it extremely disappointing and unfortunate, for us, for him... for the hobby. This whole scandal sucks... BIG TIME! I was, admittedly, a PSA/BGS/TPG apologist early on. I still like graded cards. I still collect graded cards. But my whole view of things has radically changed this year. I respect and appreciate the work that BODA has done and continues to do.

With that said, I do not respect 3124508 on COMC, and I struggle to understand how so many people do outside of the fine detective work he does!

I don't post too much on these kind of threads, but I read them a lot. Maybe I shouldn't even be posting this, but for whatever reason, I just feel the itch today! In the majority of these scandal threads... I see 2 common things, over and over again...

1) their research & evidence are solid, and
2) 3124508 on COMC is extremely disrespectful and belittling to anyone that doesn't see EVERYTHING the way he sees them through his ego-inflated BODA eyes!

A BODA tag should not put you above anyone else and shouldn't make the rules of this forum non-applicable to you. RULE #9 - Opinions will vary and shouldn't be taken personally. Keep posts respectable. Avoid drama at all costs.

All... Have a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year!

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I know if I'm going to start trimming tens of thousands of dollars of cards and money is no issue I'm def going with the $18.99 guillotine special on eBay.

I'm not saying the guy is innocent. I'm saying I'm not convinced he's guilty. I think it's much more plausible that the dbag who has been the reigning champ in the dbag weight class for a year now WASN'T telling the truth when he named card doctors and that he had ulterior motives.

I don't see a financial motive here and the behavior is antithetical to what I know about Evan as a collector. Having said all that, my goal here is not to convince anyone of anything nor change anyone's minds so I'll quietly bow out of the thread and apologize in advance for any possible derailments my comments may have caused by my fan club.

Arthur

This is sad. On so many levels. You and Evan have fun together at your next get together. Swap stories about 88 Topps PSA 1s and remember the good times.

RIP Harry Limes ability to think critically on this day.

“It doesn’t make sense that a rich person would want to get richer.” Solid.

[rman112]

Originally Posted by epatmythes

When someone offers a differing opinion or hypothesizes and/or raises legitimate & sincere questions... some BODA responds with stuff like...



How some people wish those with a BODA tag actually responded to such posts and/or treated other people...



I can't refute the evidence about Evan. I find it extremely disappointing and unfortunate, for us, for him... for the hobby. This whole scandal sucks... BIG TIME! I was, admittedly, a PSA/BGS/TPG apologist early on. I still like graded cards. I still collect graded cards. But my whole view of things has radically changed this year. I respect and appreciate the work that BODA has done and continues to do.

With that said, I do not respect 3124508 on COMC, and I struggle to understand how so many people do outside of the fine detective work he does!

I don't post too much on these kind of threads, but I read them a lot. Maybe I shouldn't even be posting this, but for whatever reason, I just feel the itch today! In the majority of these scandal threads... I see 2 common things, over and over again...

1) their research & evidence are solid, and
2) 3124508 on COMC is extremely disrespectful and belittling to anyone that doesn't see EVERYTHING the way he sees them through his ego-inflated BODA eyes!

A BODA tag should not put you above anyone else and shouldn't make the rules of this forum non-applicable to you. RULE #9 - Opinions will vary and shouldn't be taken personally. Keep posts respectable. Avoid drama at all costs.

All... Have a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year!

I think it's less about ego, and more about him viewing it as people bending over backwards to defend the guy he's just found a ton of evidence on. I definitely understand that POV.

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by epatmythes

When someone offers a differing opinion or hypothesizes and/or raises legitimate & sincere questions... some BODA responds with stuff like...



How some people wish those with a BODA tag actually responded to such posts and/or treated other people...



I can't refute the evidence about Evan. I find it extremely disappointing and unfortunate, for us, for him... for the hobby. This whole scandal sucks... BIG TIME! I was, admittedly, a PSA/BGS/TPG apologist early on. I still like graded cards. I still collect graded cards. But my whole view of things has radically changed this year. I respect and appreciate the work that BODA has done and continues to do.

With that said, I do not respect 3124508 on COMC, and I struggle to understand how so many people do outside of the fine detective work he does!

I don't post too much on these kind of threads, but I read them a lot. Maybe I shouldn't even be posting this, but for whatever reason, I just feel the itch today! In the majority of these scandal threads... I see 2 common things, over and over again...

1) their research & evidence are solid, and
2) 3124508 on COMC is extremely disrespectful and belittling to anyone that doesn't see EVERYTHING the way he sees them through his ego-inflated BODA eyes!

A BODA tag should not put you above anyone else and shouldn't make the rules of this forum non-applicable to you. RULE #9 - Opinions will vary and shouldn't be taken personally. Keep posts respectable. Avoid drama at all costs.

All... Have a Merry Christmas & a Happy New Year!

It’s probably because he spends literally hundreds of hours trying to expose these fraudsters and clean up the hobby. He provides tons and tons of actual physical evidence and the response he gets from educated people is, “I want to traded a card to Evan and he seemed really nice so there’s no way what you could be saying is true.” It’s a wonder he even does the work he does still.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by pejc300

This is sad. On so many levels. You and Evan have fun together at your next get together. Swap stories about 88 Topps PSA 1s and remember the good times.

RIP Harry Limes ability to think critically on this day.

“It doesn’t make sense that a rich person would want to get richer.” Solid.

Think about this. If that's the case, why doesn't Jeff Bezos quit his job? Everyone wants to get richer

[pejc300]

Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Think about this. If that's the case, why doesn't Jeff Bezos quit his job? Everyone wants to get richer

Impossible. Wealthy people have never committed a crime.

[ThoseBackPages]

Originally Posted by Vladdy Jr

I am expecting MUCH. The hobby will be on life support if indictments do not fly in the next 1-2 years. I personally know 7 high end collectors and all 7, including myself, are out if these CRIMINALS are not prosecuted. I do have faith in the FBI, they just need some time.

[88horsepower]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

These are the same people who probably say the Star Wars franchise is dead even though the movies continue to break box office records and Blu Ray sales are through the roof.

[ThoseBackPages]

312 does great work (he has said on Blowout that he spends 40 hours a week doing this), but most certainly has a short fuse if someone does not agree with him. No denying that

[pip]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

I know if I'm going to start trimming tens of thousands of dollars of cards and money is no issue I'm def going with the $18.99 guillotine special on eBay.

I'm not saying the guy is innocent. I'm saying I'm not convinced he's guilty. I think it's much more plausible that the dbag who has been the reigning champ in the dbag weight class for a year now WASN'T telling the truth when he named card doctors and that he had ulterior motives.

I don't see a financial motive here and the behavior is antithetical to what I know about Evan as a collector. Having said all that, my goal here is not to convince anyone of anything nor change anyone's minds so I'll quietly bow out of the thread and apologize in advance for any possible derailments my comments may have caused by my fan club.

Arthur

But didn't you also like conducting "thought experiments" with Bohunter? Maybe you're not such a good judge of character.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

312 does great work (he has said on Blowout that he spends 40 hours a week doing this), but most certainly has a short fuse if someone does not agree with him. No denying that

I’m always completely open to articulated, factual, and evidenced opposition. So far the only time I’ve gotten that is on a card in the OCSI thread where I mismatched an autograph. I then took the card down within minutes and thanked the person who told me.

[pip]

Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

312 does great work (he has said on Blowout that he spends 40 hours a week doing this), but most certainly has a short fuse if someone does not agree with him. No denying that

He seems ok to me.

[Sean1125]

I woke up this morning to a text from a gentlemen I've dealt with in the past bringing this thread to my attention. It is not too pleasant to spend a couple hours in the morning reading false accusations and needing to study hundreds of replies via multiple sites to issue a statement.

I am quite irate because an anonymous individual has made an erroneous assumption that libels my and my companies name, assumes guilt by association, and is counterfactual.

Evan posted on the reddit thread, "There is so much misinformation in that thread that it’s entertaining." I would not call it entertaining, the words that come to mind are bothersome and alarming. The post involves me without facts, making stretch assumptions, and objectively false statements.

Invest In Baseball was hired by Cardology for the 2018 national to assess collections and market for inventory via our customer base and other means. IIB did not set up a booth and I worked the floor and out of the Cardology booth to help assess collections, ensure he was making fair deals, bring deals to the table, and help some lesser educated staff because of limited bandwidth. This buying ad is identical to the buying ads that were placed throughout the industry, sent to our email list, and was not conducted any differently than usual business other than I was hired, at a very handsome rate, to help Cardology.

I was actually extremely excited to be working with an NFL player, a Super Bowl champion at that. I am 100% sure every single person who has a business would be willing to work with someone who offers a huge advancement for your company via name association alone. Evan has always been cordial, stand-up, and follows through with his word. If it weren't for him I would not have been able to grow IIB as quickly as it did and I am eternally grateful. I make no comment on any of the accusations or assumptions made about him in the Blowout thread and only provide comment on the unfounded accusations relating to myself and IIB.

Via the anonymous posters definition, PWCC, Probstein, and COMC are all associates of Cardology-- they sold inventory. It is unwarranted to list IIB as an associate because the company was hired to work for Evan and unknowingly sold cards on consignment. I am sure there are hundreds of other vendors, auctions, and collectors who have unwittingly sold altered cards, by this posters definition he needs to research them and list them as associates.

Respectfully, I request that I be left out of this. I've mostly moved on from this industry for two years as a business and buy on the side as a hobby to populate my house and enjoy the past that brought me to where I am today.

Kind Regards,

Sean

[shanks25]

And another wrinkle gets added.

[pip]

Originally Posted by superdan49

My guess is the card doctors try a variety of models, perhaps different devices for different eras and types of cards.

Probably so. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Evan and his brother -- and all card doctors for that matter -- had a basement full of trimming devices.

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by pip

But didn't you also like conducting "thought experiments" with Bohunter? Maybe you're not such a good judge of character.

I do enjoy thought experiments. Perhaps I'm a horrible judge of character. I openly admit to that possibility.

Originally Posted by pejc300

You and Evan have fun together at your next get together. Swap stories about 88 Topps PSA 1s and remember the good times.

Dude, no time for that. First, we're going to have an NHL '95 marathon on Sega Genesis, then we're totally going to eat ALL the ice cream we possibly can. Next, I'm going to steal my Mom's lighter and we're going to have a blue dart competition. Then we'll probably talk about which girls in school we like and, as usual, Evan will get scared and his Mom will have to come pick him up. It's gonna be wicked fun!

Arthur

[chezball]

With the amount of time 321 puts into exposing scum in the hobby, if it comes with a little attitude I'm OK with that.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Sean1125

I was actually extremely excited to be working with an NFL player, a Super Bowl champion at that. I am 100% sure every single person who has a business would be willing to work with someone who offers a huge advancement for your company via name association alone. Evan has always been cordial, stand-up, and follows through with his word. If it weren't for him I would not have been able to grow IIB as quickly as it did and I am eternally grateful. I make no comment on any of the accusations or assumptions made about him in the Blowout thread and only provide comment on the unfounded accusations relating to myself and IIB.

You're kind of saying two different things here.