Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC - Page 23

3124508 on COMC · 12-22-2019, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeAdam

Or they are gonna do what that guy created a thread complaining about, tighten their standards and send half of your cards back as "deemed to be altered" and make you pay twice to re-submit them.

Only if you aren't a preferred submitter. Case in point: OCSI.

JoeAdam · 12-22-2019, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Only if you aren't a preferred submitter. Case in point: OCSI.

True. But think about how much money they can make even if they just start doing this a little. If I submit 10 cards and even 1 gets returned "altered" and I know it wasn't because I pulled it, you can bet I'm going to resubmit it. I think most would.

Saraste · 12-22-2019, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Trimmed card with no grade increase and a $42.51 value gain. Note the "Before" photos below are from an earlier PWCC sale. acme.cards purchased the untrimmed card from warrent1954 as shown.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191223...0&mPg=8&page=3
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1587475
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-76-1919626230
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1957973

Presumably the second card only got a 5 because the top left corner in the second picture is significantly worse than it was in the first one. Of course it could just be me.

3124508 on COMC · 12-22-2019, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Saraste

Presumably the second card only got a 5 because the top left corner in the second picture is significantly worse than it was in the first one. Of course it could just be me.

I think the top left is the same, but the saturation differences in the scans is making the untrimmed look especially sharp.

vintg · 12-22-2019, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

Trimmed card with no grade increase and a $42.51 value gain. Note the "Before" photos below are from an earlier PWCC sale. acme.cards purchased the untrimmed card from warrent1954 as shown.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191223...0&mPg=8&page=3
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1587475
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-76-1919626230
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1957973

ruh-roh.

3124508 on COMC · 12-22-2019, 09:32 PM

A very small Bench. One trimmed edge noted. Can't tell if the other edges have been cleaned up as well due to the photos.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191223...&mPg=10&page=4
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-mt-1900530213
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1959831

Soxfanguy · 12-22-2019, 10:08 PM

Nevermind

88horsepower · 12-22-2019, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Looked on the NFL top 100 list for guards. Didn’t see you on it. Should have tried harder I guess

I’m not sure Evan Mathis would make the Top 100 Eagles of all time. I’m serious.

Soxfanguy · 12-22-2019, 10:16 PM

Never mind

Mountaineer · 12-22-2019, 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

Looked on the NFL top 100 list for guards. Didn’t see you on it. Should have tried harder I guess

You can say whatever you want about his business dealings in the hobby, but trying to take a jab at his career (which was a very successful career btw) is just asinine and does nothing to further the discussion and makes you look completely stupid. Spending 11 years in the league as an OL and being a top guard for 4-5 of those years. I would leave the NFL credentials out of any argument about sports cards.

imbluestreak23 · 12-22-2019, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer

You can say whatever you want about his business dealings in the hobby, but trying to take a jab at his career (which was a very successful career btw) is just asinine and does nothing to further the discussion and makes you look completely stupid. Spending 11 years in the league as an OL and being a top guard for 4-5 of those years. I would leave the NFL credentials out of any argument about sports cards.

Agree 100%.

This is the type of stuff the herd will do at an elementary school playground.

88horsepower · 12-22-2019, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer

You can say whatever you want about his business dealings in the hobby, but trying to take a jab at his career (which was a very successful career btw) is just asinine and does nothing to further the discussion and makes you look completely stupid. Spending 11 years in the league as an OL and being a top guard for 4-5 of those years. I would leave the NFL credentials out of any argument about sports cards.

I think we can agree on that. He did have a good career. I think it would be a fun challenge to see what the Eagles Top 100 would look like. He probably would actually crack the Top 100. Barely.

Soxfanguy · 12-22-2019, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Mountaineer

You can say whatever you want about his business dealings in the hobby, but trying to take a jab at his career (which was a very successful career btw) is just asinine and does nothing to further the discussion and makes you look completely stupid. Spending 11 years in the league as an OL and being a top guard for 4-5 of those years. I would leave the NFL credentials out of any argument about sports cards.

11 years? That’s a long time. You couldn’t pay me to play football with basically everyone getting CTE.

symptoms[of CTE] include social instability, impulsive behavior, and poor judgment.

mortatort · 12-22-2019, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 88horsepower

I think we can agree on that. He did have a good career. I think it would be a fun challenge to see what the Eagles Top 100 would look like. He probably would actually crack the Top 100. Barely.

Short list of accomplishments. 11 years to gain a 1/4 tank of gas and some hair.

Career highlights and awards
Super Bowl Champion (50)
2× Pro Bowl (2013, 2014)
First-team All-Pro (2013)
First-team All-SEC (2004)

TFP · 12-23-2019, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Soxfanguy

11 years? That’s a long time. You couldn’t pay me to play football with basically everyone getting CTE.

symptoms[of CTE] include social instability, impulsive behavior, and poor judgment.

I wonder how many people have been victimized by Evan’s CTE, you know, Card Trimming Eagle

:rimshot

clsports · 12-23-2019, 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by TFP

I wonder how many people have been victimized by Evan’s CTE, you know, Card Trimming Eagle

:rimshot

EVERYONE is a victim. Either directly or indirectly.

You own a graded card. You are a victim.

Loss of trust in graded cards.

Loss of value.

We all are victimized by this crime.

We all have a right to be part of a class action lawsuit.

NYRE2PECT · 12-23-2019, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by TFP

I wonder how many people have been victimized by Evan’s CTE, you know, Card Trimming Eagle

:rimshot

Fixed that for you, Card Trimming Egomaniac.

His responses have demonstrated that he believes that he is untouchable, which until some definitive action in this whole saga goes down, might be very sadly true.

boston12 · 12-23-2019, 09:42 AM

99.9% chance the FBI is already looking into Mr Mathis. Probably the best thing to happen to this trimming scandal, have a big name tied to it.

unclemonkey · 12-23-2019, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by clsports

EVERYONE is a victim. Either directly or indirectly.

You own a graded card. You are a victim.

Loss of trust in graded cards.

Loss of value.

We all are victimized by this crime.

We all have a right to be part of a class action lawsuit.

That post summarized my feelings quite succinctly.

Even though I only grade my own pulls, and try to squeeze some profits... we all suffer.

HarryLime · 12-23-2019, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by corndog

I don't mind Arthur's posts at all.
He is very knowledgeable on the history of cards, the players, the dealers and auction houses. He is very resourceful regarding the inner workings of the hobby.
Right or wrong, his insights are enlightening and are much more productive than the insufferable popcorn and laughing emojis, one word replies and daily Goodfellas gifs that add nothing of value.

Payment sent. Thanks again.

Arthur

dizzydolse · 12-23-2019, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by HarryLime

Payment sent. Thanks again.

Arthur

Knew it

Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Buysellyell · 12-23-2019, 12:54 PM

seems like the longest birthday party of all time...

clsports · 12-23-2019, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by unclemonkey

That post summarized my feelings quite succinctly.

Even though I only grade my own pulls, and try to squeeze some profits... we all suffer.

Same here. My graded card collection is from my own personal 40 years of collecting and these are mostly cards I have sent in myself. I have only purchased a few graded cards and I can only hope that none of my collection has been in the wrong hands.

It is sad to know that is difficult to prove however.

pspa123 · 12-23-2019, 01:37 PM

In the spirit of the holidays, a sincere and heartfelt thank you to all the card doctors, the sellers enabling them, and the TPGs and other major industry participants playing ostrich for causing so much anxiety and consternation among us collectors, and for not caring one whit. Thank you!!

auburn35 · 12-23-2019, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by pspa123

In the spirit of the holidays, a sincere and heartfelt thank you to all the card doctors, the sellers enabling them, and the TPGs and other major industry participants playing ostrich for causing so much anxiety and consternation among us collectors, and for not caring one whit. Thank you!!

As more and more dirt is uncovered, I'm looking forward to some corrective action, in the near future.

12-22-2019, 09:32 PM	#556
3124508 on COMC BODA Join Date: Jun 2016 Posts: 9,436	A very small Bench. One trimmed edge noted. Can't tell if the other edges have been cleaned up as well due to the photos. https://web.archive.org/web/20191223...&mPg=10&page=4 https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-mt-1900530213 https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1959831 __________________ 3124508@protonmail.com The Short Guide to the PWCC Card Trimming & Alteration Fraud Last edited by 3124508 on COMC; 12-22-2019 at 09:49 PM.

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Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC Nevermind __________________ ok Last edited by Soxfanguy; 12-22-2019 at 11:35 PM.

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Soxfanguy Member Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: White Sox Posts: 15,579 Soxfanguy	Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC Never mind __________________ ok Last edited by Soxfanguy; 12-22-2019 at 11:35 PM.

12-23-2019, 09:42 AM	#568
boston12 Member Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 3,283	99.9% chance the FBI is already looking into Mr Mathis. Probably the best thing to happen to this trimming scandal, have a big name tied to it.

12-23-2019, 12:54 PM	#572
Buysellyell Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Posts: 132	seems like the longest birthday party of all time...

12-23-2019, 01:37 PM	#574
pspa123 Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Posts: 3,764	In the spirit of the holidays, a sincere and heartfelt thank you to all the card doctors, the sellers enabling them, and the TPGs and other major industry participants playing ostrich for causing so much anxiety and consternation among us collectors, and for not caring one whit. Thank you!!