Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC

[tconte]

Originally Posted by pspa123

In the spirit of the holidays, a sincere and heartfelt thank you to all the card doctors, the sellers enabling them, and the TPGs and other major industry participants playing ostrich for causing so much anxiety and consternation among us collectors, and for not caring one whit. Thank you!!

Aint that the truth!

Great post!

[pspa123]

And a very special thank you to Joe, Steve and PSA for insulting our intelligence by trivializing all this.

[pip]

Originally Posted by auburn35

As more and more dirt is uncovered, I'm looking forward to some corrective action, in the near future.

pspa123 can correct me if I'm wrong but with the extent of corruption, we could be looking at several years before federal action is taken.

[pip]

Originally Posted by pspa123

And a very special thank you to Joe, Steve and PSA for insulting our intelligence by trivializing all this.

You're pretty good at that. We don't usually get that sort of entertainment from you.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by pip

pspa123 can correct me if I'm wrong but with the extent of corruption, we could be looking at several years before federal action is taken.

The Mastro affair took longer than that, and as you've pointed out, that was small in scope compared to this. So it would not surprise me at all if this took quite some time. Particularly where new alleged card doctors and potential evidence keep coming to light.

[Bowman1951]

Originally Posted by pspa123

And a very special thank you to Joe, Steve and PSA for insulting our intelligence by trivializing all this.

If you say one tiny thing about a questionable grade on their social media platforms, they just instaban you.

I've never seen the CEO of a public corporation so scared of a little backlash in my life. What a coward. It doesn't go away just because someone can't see your posts anymore.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by Bowman1951

If you say one tiny thing about a questionable grade on their social media platforms, they just instaban you.

I've never seen the CEO of a public corporation so scared of a little backlash in my life. What a coward. It doesn't go away just because someone can't see your posts anymore.

So much for Steve Sloan ushering in a new, more collector-friendly era.

[itradeerrors]

Originally Posted by pspa123

So much for Steve Sloan ushering in a new, more collector-friendly era.

Mr Sloan has ushered in a new more collector friendly era. Without PSAs help we would not have all these high grade cards that did not exist before.

[Bowman1951]

Originally Posted by mjohnatgt

In case anyone missed it... that was me trolling PSA.
https://web.archive.org/web/20191221...-by-pwcc-vault

If you had a hand in it ending up on Web Archive, because I have no idea how that works, kudos to saving it for us "forever".

[auburn35]

Originally Posted by pip

pspa123 can correct me if I'm wrong but with the extent of corruption, we could be looking at several years before federal action is taken.

Totally understand the federal side will take time, I'm just looking for any signs of positive change.
Even PWCC (with a lawyer holding their hand), have displayed some minor changes.
PWCC started with telling everyone to Piss Off, when presented with evidence of altered items. Now they occasionally pull listings and offer refunds when notified.

[ken161]

Originally Posted by Pink Pussycat

Why would you possibly rely on PSA to "put a better system in place"?

They are an enormous piece of this fraud.... if not the biggest. Their meaningless "stamp of approval" is the biggest single enabler of the fraud and corruption. The numbered PSA Slab is the thing that keeps all of this churning right along. And unless they are replaced with something more accurate/ethical, it will just continue indefinitely.

So instead of looking to PSA to make necessary improvements, we should be seeking a completely new venue (for those who want 3rd party opinions and authentication). Bottom line... Do not be automatically conditioned to rely upon PSA's brainwashing and self-promotion.

I have 100% confidence in PSA's inability to address and fix this problem. And to be honest, I skeptical of any new company improving things much, even if they have the best of intentions.

Sure, measuring cards strictly and having computer databases of scans might help, but I just have a feeling the scam artists would figure out a new way to game the system. I'm also leery of some sort of computerized grading system, as this might make the problem worse. Some collectors might get the mindset that if a card is "computer-certified mint" it must be legit, and therefore bid the moon.

[3124508 on COMC]

Only at PSA can you remove a card's corner to increase a its grade. And only at PWCC will this yield an eye appeal sticker.

The entire top edge might be trimmed, but it's too close to the bumper in the PSA 8 photo to make the call.

https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1672261

[cking]

Originally Posted by pspa123

In the spirit of the holidays, a sincere and heartfelt thank you to all the card doctors, the sellers enabling them, and the TPGs and other major industry participants playing ostrich for causing so much anxiety and consternation among us collectors, and for not caring one whit. Thank you!!

I will add a little something to this..............in the spirit of x-mas, of course.

Not only are these grading companies doing all the stuff psapa123 mentioned above to all you slabheads..........but the funniest part of it all is..........................................................




























You are paying them to do it to you.





Merry Christmas

[auburn35]

Addition by subtraction?

Love those PWCC descriptions!

[pip]

I'm telling you. It really looks like Evan used the cheap paper cutter to do that to the 1967 Tom Seaver.

[superdan49]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Addition by subtraction?

Love those PWCC descriptions!

Who is writing these for PWCC? Brent? The levels of irony are beyond parody: "virtually untouched corners." Either that or this is god-tier trolling.

[base set]

Why buy a vintage card with a corner rounded off by children 50 years ago when you can pay 50x more for a freshly rounded copy?

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by base set

Why buy a vintage card with a corner rounded off by children 50 years ago when you can pay 50x more for a freshly rounded copy?

It’s not even rounded though. It was literally just chopped off. At least Brent sanded them down on the tobacco cards.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

How many buyers of proven trimmed cards sold by investinbaseball in the OCSI thread have you contacted for refunds?

Guess that's a "0".

[3124508 on COMC]

Nice gain. This would've been the Chad Thyzel days of acme.cards I believe. One trimmed edge noted due to obvious lack of rough cut on bottom edge as a PSA 9.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...kee-1809510761
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1344719

[Deadshot]

I know the answer is probably going to be for me to "read the thread," but has anything major happened after Mathis was banned or Rovell Tweeted about the story? Has anyone created a summary along the way?

[KhalDrogo]

Originally Posted by Deadshot

I know the answer is probably going to be for me to "read the thread," but has anything major happened after Mathis was banned or Rovell Tweeted about the story? Has anyone created a summary along the way?

Nothing has happened.

[fenwaykid]

Was there something specific he did to get banned? Or is blowout now banning all trimmers?

[HarryLime]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Totally understand the federal side will take time, I'm just looking for any signs of positive change.
Even PWCC (with a lawyer holding their hand), have displayed some minor changes.
PWCC started with telling everyone to Piss Off, when presented with evidence of altered items. Now they occasionally pull listings and offer refunds when notified.

Damn. Jeff Lichtman is effing GOOD at his job.

Arthur

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by auburn35

Totally understand the federal side will take time, I'm just looking for any signs of positive change.
Even PWCC (with a lawyer holding their hand), have displayed some minor changes.
PWCC started with telling everyone to Piss Off, when presented with evidence of altered items. Now they occasionally pull listings and offer refunds when notified.

They’re pulling everything the federal government can use as evidence and letting everything else run. Therefore, if the trimmers are careful, they can still use PWCC.