Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC

[JMANIA]

Originally Posted by Willikn

I believe anything 9 or higher is sheet cut. Probably more than 50% of the 8.5s. On the plus side, so many of the Star Co cards are sheet cut that it doesn't matter I guess.

A response that missed what I was saying and does not understand.

[tconte]

Mathis may be good at poker but his routine wasn't working here when he was posting.
He'll need to come up with a better act going forward.

[3124508 on COMC]

I agree on the Cobb red. It definitely doesn’t meet PWCC’s Marketplace Tenets. I’m not sure the green does either.

[Brye86]

So I've kinda been out of the loop with this for a bit... But what is everyone's thoughts on this? Are you continuing to invest in graded/slabbed cards? Are you doing so but steering clear of any cards that may have gone through PWCC's hands? Are we also to steer clear of Probstein123? I've purchased a Mike trout PSA 9 card from him earlier in the year and I would hate to know that it could be trimmed.

It's just so demoralizing that #@#@#@#@ like this happens in the hobby. I know it happens because their is big money involved but still.. It looks like it's not really getting solved. PWCC is still around and the big card/grading companies have done nothing to solve this.

[pip]

Originally Posted by Willikn

I believe anything 9 or higher is sheet cut. Probably more than 50% of the 8.5s. On the plus side, so many of the Star Co cards are sheet cut that it doesn't matter I guess.

I remember the "old days" when a good percentage of Star Co. basketball were still in their bags and the stuff just sat at shows. Few wanted it. Even then, it was nearly impossible to find Mint condition Jordans so I would agree with you. Virtually everything 9 or higher is trimmed. You just have to find the "before" pics to definitively prove it.

[Soxfanguy]

Originally Posted by HarryLime

These guys are idiots. I hope their plan is to never attend a live show again. This country is chock full of wackos and many won't hesitate to handle their business themselves if you rip them off for a few hundred dollars. I can't even joke around and say they have balls, it's just pure stupidity to continue to scam people at this point. Talk about Russian roulette.



Arthur

So you’re saying someone finds out they have a trimmed card is going to go to the trimmers house and break their kneecaps or something?

[pip]

Originally Posted by CaptSpaulding

Of course they know there is a hobby consensus about cleaning especially when it is clear chemicals were used. PSA, SGC and Beckett all have rejection codes for evidence of cleaning. They are taking the more obvious and egregious types of alterations that likely allow for them to make a tighter case and thereby limiting the scope of the investigation too.

It would be foolish not to include cards that are acidified or permanently degraded due to harmful chemical treatment. All the FBI would have to do is speak to a REAL conservator at a major museum to figure this out. It doesn't really matter that a very small minority of collectors would be "ok" with this type of cleaning. They're idiots and probably do it themselves.

[JMANIA]

Some of the cards noted were not altered by Mathis. The 1952 Topps Mantle PSA 9 was out of the Mr. Mint find and purchased by Mathis already graded. Unsure if he even made a profit on it when he sold it. I heard he lost on that one. I do not know that the 1968 Topps PSA 10 Ryan was submitted for grading by him. I would love to see the 1953 Mantle PSA 10 cracked out and resubmitted if money were not an issue as I do not see anyone getting a 10 on that one. I believe that was a celebrity bump as noted before. I think Mathis was originally a collector/investor in much high end, transitioned a bit with his bad apple buddies and with his retirement from NFL and card values up, became a dealer who doctors cards or has someone doctor for him. The PSA forum had a bunch of guys who always kissed his ass.

[3124508 on COMC]

Sold via Probstein.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...jim-1815220826

[Donkaylove]

And, honestly, the 7.5 looks trimmed prior. "NO" 71' edge looks like that...........white slanted in

[Stifle]

Altered cards. If this hobby would adapt what jewelers do we wouldn't have this issue. Jewelry shops: 3 types of Diamonds that are sold as listed or we hope.
Fakes / Glass - Cubic Zirconia, not real diamond but attempts to be one and is listed as and sold as such. A very cheap version of the real thing.
Lab Created / Lab Grown - Basically a trimmed version of a card. The diamond is created with cut, clarity & carot. A altered version of a card in my opinion. The Lab Grown has the same minerals as earth found.
Earth produced Diamond - Roughly a Billion years of having the earth create what has to be searched and dug in order to be located. My opinion, the same as a un-altered card which is company produced.

There are buyers for each otherwise they wouldn't be available. What this hobby needs to do is have each card numbered like Edge use to do. Any card sent for grading that is a forgery needs to have a small forgery stamp on it by the grading company. A Altered card needs to be graded as "Altered" - Trimmed, colored, etc. These Altered cards need to be classified like Lab Grown Diamonds. Give the trimmers the same classification as what jeweler do with Lab Grown. Earth created diamonds have their own classification.

If we in this hobby would encourage graders to establish 3 categories of graded cards. This issue would be dealt with because each category of card would have its own value.

My opinion.

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by Donkaylove

And, honestly, the 7.5 looks trimmed prior. "NO" 71' edge looks like that...........white slanted in

7.5 was sold by investinbaseball. Plenty of trimmed cards there to go around.

[KhalDrogo]

Merry Christmas Evan!

[pspa123]

If Diogenes were alive today he might search the hobby in vain for his honest man.

[3124508 on COMC]

Sold by acme.cards. One obviously trimmed edge highlighted.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ron-1815222453
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-mt-1863489900

[3124508 on COMC]

All sides trimmed on this $126 card. Overlay shows massive stock loss on two edges.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...son-1815222527
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1488684

[Donkaylove]

trimmers need to stick to white borders for the uninformed..............

You SOB's are making me agitated.....comics too, no escape,,,, cahoots


nobody can measure a rectangle--GD-it!!!!!!!!!

[3124508 on COMC]

Sold by acme.cards.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...rew-1815088883
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-mt-1863490200

[KhalDrogo]

Why does he have so many user IDs?

[3124508 on COMC]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Why does he have so many user IDs?

I don't know. eBay promotions for one. Covering up the fraud is another. A few are his brother's who, as far as I know, lives with him. acme.cards is the old selling one that he now uses to buy some. Still missing one or two.

[3124508 on COMC]

Sold by PWCC.

https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ton-1815089101
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1488611

[signed79]

Someone who cheats off the field is likely to do so on the field.

[tonedef2oo8]

Originally Posted by pip

This thing is just starting. We're far from done.

Do you usually strain yourself this way justifying criminal activity.

Yes he does he has done it before.

[JMANIA]

Originally Posted by signed79

Someone who cheats off the field is likely to do so on the field.

Care to say what you really want to say?

Funny as he was at the top of the testimonials on the PSA site and gone. https://www.psacard.com/about/testimonials
PSA follows this stuff closely but does nothing other than try to remove what it can. What is it going to do delete all the SMR articles, interviews, etc. it no longer likes? There are too many bad apples tied together it has endorsed in the past. The best was when they used to advertise Kevin Burge's psagems auctions and tweet about them. I know those tweets were deleted.

How did cardbuff get my email address improperly to email me those daily listings? I never understood how those could be sent and endorse items that can be problematic. I guess because most were from the same sellers that paid to advertise with it.

[mintacular]

Frustrating looking at my cards now in slabs wondering "what if?" this edge was shaved/trimmed, etc. What a bummer!