Evan Mathis Trimming Anything and Everything to Sell via Probstein, PWCC, & COMC

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Forced by the "feds"? In what context, are you suggesting TPGs would agree to this as part of a plea bargain? What crime are you contemplating they are going to be charged with? The "feds" don't just force companies to do things in connection with an investigation.

Who said they'd need to agree to anything as part of an investigation?

Just a regulation issued by a federal agency is all it would take.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by KhalDrogo

Every suggestion you have gets crazier and crazier. You can’t honestly believe this is realistic.

Of course it is realistic. Your comments aren't helpful as you haven't said why a white hat group wouldn't be realistic.

The costs to operate a white hat group might cost a few bills a month at most.

Rather than BODA spending countless hours searching for endless examples of altered cards over years to paint a picture that grading apologists could arbitrarily challenge, a white hat group could provide the same picture BODA could, likely a much more accurate one, in 2-3 months at most.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

Who said they'd need to agree to anything as part of an investigation?

Just a regulation issued by a federal agency is all it would take.

Oh, it's that simple. Got it. Which agency do you propose? The FTC? The FDA maybe? Baseball cards are a drug of sorts, after all.

[MoreToppsPlease]

Originally Posted by pspa123

Oh, it's that simple. Got it. Which agency do you propose? The FTC? The FDA maybe? Baseball cards are a drug of sorts, after all.

You do understand this is all about money...?

Commerce of course.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

You do understand this is all about money...?

Commerce of course.

Sounds spot on.

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[Bruins1993]

Originally Posted by pspa123

This is David Hall's and Joe Orlando's vision, I fear. Cater to the insiders and stifle any and all hard questions and dissent. When necessary, play ostrich and deny. You can see Joe's instincts even on a recent analyst call, where he directed the operator to pass over a tough questioner. I doubt it will meaningfully change under current management.

Spot on to present state. The only thing that would change the way PSA does business is $ revenue or law enforcement.

Collectors are STILL making excuses for PSA working with card doctors, they are addicted to the slab.

[northridgegil]

evan mathis is a real scammer he will low ball you at shows he uses his celebrity status to gain trust. most of the cards he sells are trimmed and people like sean bassik are his minions stay far and clear from this hobby conartist

[dogzman]

Buy metal framed cards like museum, transcendent, gold label, etc. Trimming issue solved.

The scammers can't take their twizzers to those

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by northridgegil

evan mathis is a real scammer he will low ball you at shows he uses his celebrity status to gain trust. most of the cards he sells are trimmed and people like sean bassik are his minions stay far and clear from this hobby conartist

Otherwise, he's ok?

[3124508 on COMC]

I'm using before photos from a prior sale of the card. Listing purchased by acme.cards is first Worthpoint link below. Pretty poor job of trimming on this one, as usual.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191229...&mPg=48&page=2
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...psa-1924847165
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-nm-1832642349
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1743657

[pip]

What a disaster that trimmed 1969 Clemente is. Call me a purist, but if someone offered me the PSA 9 for $100, I'd pass.

[pejc300]

It's cards like the Clemente that always make me think there is definitely preferential treatment or a man on the inside. None of us regular people would get a 9 on that card. You can still see edge wear on lower left front, corner ding on upper left back, and that 'registration' tilt is awful. The card even in the PSA 9 holder looks like a 7 and I would never consider sending it in for grading. But sure enough, Evan gets a 9 on that hack job.

[ken161]

Wow. The right border of that Clemente is one of the worst hack-jobs I've seen. If that card made it by the experts at PSA, I'm assuming almost anything can. One for the ages.

[blackbears86]

Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

I'm using before photos from a prior sale of the card. Listing purchased by acme.cards is first Worthpoint link below. Pretty poor job of trimming on this one, as usual.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191229...&mPg=48&page=2
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...psa-1924847165
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...-nm-1832642349
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1743657

Another incredibly obvious example of a trimmed card.


I sound like a broken record here: HOW IS PSA MISSING THESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!


simple explanation:

a. blatant incompetence
b. grader on the inside giving "favors"
c. flat out corruption

[imbluestreak23]

It appears as though that was trimmed to compensate for the left edge, to make it look diamond cut.

Right edge post trim doesn't appear any more worse than the left. Definitely not deserving of a 9, or any numerical grade for that matter.

[pip]

Originally Posted by blackbears86

Another incredibly obvious example of a trimmed card.


I sound like a broken record here: HOW IS PSA MISSING THESE!!!!!!!!!!!!!


simple explanation:

a. blatant incompetence
b. grader on the inside giving "favors"
c. flat out corruption

I'll go with b and c.

[ken161]

I just noticed the PWCC write-up argued that the 69 Clemente could be a PSA10!!!

"...many attributes of an even higher grade with GEM MINT corners and card stock"

[imbluestreak23]

Originally Posted by ken161

I just noticed the PWCC write-up argued that the 69 Clemente could be a PSA10!!!

"...many attributes of an even higher grade with GEM MINT corners and card stock"

That's scummy. Glad Ricky doesn't do that.

[chezball]

Originally Posted by ken161

I just noticed the PWCC write-up argued that the 69 Clemente could be a PSA10!!!

"...many attributes of an even higher grade with GEM MINT corners and card stock"

code for buy and trim for the second time.

[mchenrycards]

Originally Posted by northridgegil

evan mathis is a real scammer he will low ball you at shows he uses his celebrity status to gain trust. most of the cards he sells are trimmed and people like sean bassik are his minions stay far and clear from this hobby conartist

I have never dealt with Evan but have had several transactions with Sean Bassik and found him to be fair and equitable in each and every one. On a few occasions his offer came in higher than what I was expecting.

I offer this opinion mainly because I have had no issues with him and found him to be above board. I would not be so quick to judge if you have nothing more on him that he was once hired by Evan to work with him at a National as a consultant.

[itradeerrors]

Originally Posted by mchenrycards

I have never dealt with Evan but have had several transactions with Sean Bassik and found him to be fair and equitable in each and every one. On a few occasions his offer came in higher than what I was expecting.

I offer this opinion mainly because I have had no issues with him and found him to be above board. I would not be so quick to judge if you have nothing more on him that he was once hired by Evan to work with him at a National as a consultant.

Yep, great guy. My favorite was when he sold the opened pack of Piedmont cigarettes through Probstein as a sealed pack that contained a T206 card.

Not sure what he has been like the last few years but he got called out for a lot of shady stuff early on over on Net54.

He was famous for threatening everyone with his lawyer.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by mchenrycards

I have never dealt with Evan but have had several transactions with Sean Bassik and found him to be fair and equitable in each and every one. On a few occasions his offer came in higher than what I was expecting.

I offer this opinion mainly because I have had no issues with him and found him to be above board. I would not be so quick to judge if you have nothing more on him that he was once hired by Evan to work with him at a National as a consultant.

What does that have to do with whether or not he is or was participating in selling trimmed cards? It's like saying I never had an issue with Brent, he shipped all my cards timely.

[mchenrycards]

Originally Posted by pspa123

What does that have to do with whether or not he is or was participating in selling trimmed cards? It's like saying I never had an issue with Brent, he shipped all my cards timely.

Nope. nothing like that at all. Now lets be clear...I am no Sean apologist and I am certainly not sticking up for him. But unless I missed it, has anyone directly linked Sean to the trimming scandal outside of being hired by Evan Mathis to be a consultant at the National?

All I was saying is that I have found Sean to be very above board in all of his dealings. I can only go by my experiences and since I have not seen his name dragged through the mud in this scandal until recently, I thought I would chime in and offer my experiences.

[pspa123]

Originally Posted by mchenrycards

Nope. nothing like that at all. Now lets be clear...I am no Sean apologist and I am certainly not sticking up for him. But unless I missed it, has anyone directly linked Sean to the trimming scandal outside of being hired by Evan Mathis to be a consultant at the National?

All I was saying is that I have found Sean to be very above board in all of his dealings. I can only go by my experiences and since I have not seen his name dragged through the mud in this scandal until recently, I thought I would chime in and offer my experiences.

I've sold cards to people I came to know were card doctors and they were perfectly fair and above board. Again.... so what? I don't doubt your experience, it just has no bearing at all on the issue in my opinion.

[3124508 on COMC]

Small amount of stock removal along top edge.

https://web.archive.org/web/20191229...&mPg=32&page=8
https://www.worthpoint.com/worthoped...ees-1916455322
https://www.pwccmarketplace.com/items/1851415