Class action suit filed against PSA, PWCC and Probstein - Page 5

shayscards79 · 02-13-2020, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by boxbuster7

"Baseball-card collecting really ought to be extinct. It’s an analog hobby in a digital world, an expression of fandom in a sport whose attendance is in slow decline and whose cultural relevance is in free fall."

The first sentence!

I just went back and read that.

I wonder who died and made them the expert to add some subjective inference like that. What a baby, all upset because card companies are still making millions of dollars. Baseball is boring! eSports rule! Increasing my kill ration on Call of Duty is way more simulating!

Maybe they should consider putting down the Communist Manifesto for a minute while they wait in a ten hour long line at the Apple store to buy the newest iPhone.

3124508 on COMC · 02-13-2020, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by shayscards79

I just went back and read that.

I wonder who died and made them the expert to add some subjective inference like that. What a baby, all upset because card companies are still making millions of dollars. Baseball is boring! eSports rule! Increasing my kill ration on Call of Duty is way more simulating!

Maybe they should consider putting down the Communist Manifesto for a minute while they wait in a ten hour long line at the Apple store to buy the newest iPhone.

It’s a quote from the cited article. Why it’s there I’m not sure, but they aren’t saying it themselves.

superdan49 · 02-13-2020, 01:41 PM

I'm curious which of Mr. Savoy's cards were outed.

For the record: I don't recall hearing of his name in the hobby until this morning.

shayscards79 · 02-13-2020, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by 3124508 on COMC

It’s a quote from the cited article. Why it’s there I’m not sure, but they aren’t saying it themselves.

I see the article it was taken from now. I guess in context it doesn't seem like an attack on the industry as a whole. Rather, more amazement.

Still, like you said... why they chose to pull that quote and put in a court document is beyond me. That in itself is obvious bias to make a case.

3124508 on COMC · 02-13-2020, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by shayscards79

I see the article it was taken from now. I guess in context it doesn't seem like an attack on the industry as a whole. Rather, more amazement.

Still, like you said... why they chose to pull that quote and put in a court document is beyond me. That in itself is obvious bias to make a case.

I think that’s just what these outside lawyers think of the hobby. <shrug>

hxcmilkshake · 02-13-2020, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

Blowout Cards would be served a subpoena for all information about you including your IP address. Your IP server would then be subpoenaed.

You can and will be found.

However, you cannot be subpoenaed as an "expert" witness. You are not technically a witness, so you cannot be subpoenaed and expected to give testimony. You can be retained as an expert and paid to be there.

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salthill · 02-13-2020, 01:56 PM

Prepare to be disappointed. This will be settled.
I’m much more interested in what, if anything, is going on in Brian Brusokas’ FBI office in Chicago.

mhcook · 02-13-2020, 02:08 PM

I'm very disappointed that BODA was unaware of this in advance. While it isn't an absolute necessity to have BODA's help, I don't think there is a group of individuals with more knowledge and drive to unearth the bad behavior that has been ongoing. I would have a lot more confidence in the direction of this case if the people that know more than anyone and would know the right things to seek in discovery were involved.

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sabrgeek · 02-13-2020, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by pip

If Eric is successful, and that's a big IF, the floodgates might open as more high value cards are outed and litigious mega collectors are negatively impacted. Then and only then will you see things like this happening.

It's only the first inning but I'd say the score so far is BODA 1, PSA 0.

PSA has enough money and resources to effectively fight this for quite some time. Beckett, not as much, whereas TPGs like SGC would likely go out of business rather quickly if confronted with similar legal action.

Um, the owner of Beckett is very wealthy. In fact Wikipedia says he is a billionaire. I think he can stay in business as easily as PSA can.

myerscards · 02-13-2020, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Loblaw

And where do you practice?

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JG WENTWORTH.

Treadstone · 02-13-2020, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

I wonder if Joe O. will choose to discuss this in the next quarterly call...

He probably won't be able to avoid it at this point....

signed79 · 02-13-2020, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Treadstone

He probably won't be able to avoid it at this point....

He'll just say it's an ongoing legal issue and can't comment on it.

pip · 02-13-2020, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sabrgeek

Um, the owner of Beckett is very wealthy. In fact Wikipedia says he is a billionaire. I think he can stay in business as easily as PSA can.

If you mean Greg Lindberg, that's not quite right. He "borrowed" money (billions) from a group of insurance companies owned by Eli Global to finance all his purchases of various business interests. I believe his trial on wire fraud and bribery charges begins later this month. If he is forced by federal regulators to divest, he'll sacrifice the poorest performing businesses first.

MoreToppsPlease · 02-13-2020, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by signed79

He'll just say it's an ongoing legal issue and can't comment on it.

Yes, but callers can then ask him to comment on this “steadily escalating issue” that he previously told them not to worry about...

wscws2008 · 02-13-2020, 02:32 PM

I’ve known for a few weeks Eric was going to submit this. I’ve talked to him, albeit virtually, and he is out for blood. I think he is going to see this through to the end but who knows where it lands.

At the very least, if this gains enough attention, put a dent into Collector’s Universe stock prices.

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jlzinck · 02-13-2020, 02:34 PM

Lawyers will make bank. Plaintiff may get some money and the rest of the class will gt a free submission at the 135 business day level

pip · 02-13-2020, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wscws2008

I’ve known for a few weeks Eric was going to submit this. I’ve talked to him, albeit virtually, and he is out for blood. I think he is going to see this through to the end but who knows where it lands.

At the very least, if this gains enough attention, put a dent into Collector’s Universe stock prices.

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Do you know what specifically precipitated the lawsuit?

superdan49 · 02-13-2020, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wscws2008

I’ve known for a few weeks Eric was going to submit this. I’ve talked to him, albeit virtually, and he is out for blood. I think he is going to see this through to the end but who knows where it lands.

At the very least, if this gains enough attention, put a dent into Collector’s Universe stock prices.

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Any idea which cards of his were affected?

KevJo · 02-13-2020, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by KevJo

His lawyer advertises on Power 106 FM.

Kevin

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Saul Goodman?

HarryLime · 02-13-2020, 02:51 PM

The entire concept that baseball's tv numbers are down is stupid. Everybody's tv numbers are down. There's been a seismic shift in how the medium has been consumed and the days of people tuning into NBC every Thursday night for "Must See TV" are over. Viewership is completely splintered across streaming devices and on demand services. There isn't a single show anywhere today that even sniffs the numbers something like LOST got 10 years ago.

What you have to look at it is live viewership and nothing gets better numbers than sports, including baseball. Advertisers want to be able to know that their material is going to be consumed at an exact time and not a week later when someone decides to watch the latest episode of that streaming show. This is why attendance may be down at ballparks but you're seeing $20 billion dollar tv rights deals. Live sports is gold. No one records a sports game and watched it 5 days later.

Arthur

base set · 02-13-2020, 02:57 PM

you should cross-post that in the Trevor Bauer thread

mhcook · 02-13-2020, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jlzinck

Lawyers will make bank. Plaintiff may get some money and the rest of the class will gt a free submission at the 135 business day level

As long as the lawyers make bank at the expense of PSA, then it will be a win.

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sirreal1 · 02-13-2020, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MoreToppsPlease

I want to see this plastered all over the media for a long time. People need to know, the hobby damage has already happened.

The Oregonian is still tracking the story. Posted this about an hour ago:

https://www.oregonlive.com/business/...ollectors.html

SNobles · 02-13-2020, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ThoseBackPages

Saul Goodman?

Better call him.

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Originally Posted by myerscards

JG WENTWORTH.

877-CASH-NOW

I enjoyed both of those posts as I was reading through.

Very interested in seeing how this plays out.

lauriontj · 02-13-2020, 03:18 PM

Gotta collect em all!

02-13-2020, 01:41 PM	#103
superdan49 BODA Join Date: Mar 2015 Posts: 4,272	I'm curious which of Mr. Savoy's cards were outed. For the record: I don't recall hearing of his name in the hobby until this morning. __________________ Cardboard Detective Emeritus superdan49@protonmail.com — Anonymous Tip-line

02-13-2020, 01:56 PM	#107
salthill Member Join Date: Sep 2017 Posts: 8,527 salthill	Class action suit filed against PSA, PWCC and Probstein Prepare to be disappointed. This will be settled. I’m much more interested in what, if anything, is going on in Brian Brusokas’ FBI office in Chicago. Last edited by salthill; 02-13-2020 at 02:13 PM.

02-13-2020, 02:08 PM	#108
mhcook Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Knoxville, TN Posts: 1,711	I'm very disappointed that BODA was unaware of this in advance. While it isn't an absolute necessity to have BODA's help, I don't think there is a group of individuals with more knowledge and drive to unearth the bad behavior that has been ongoing. I would have a lot more confidence in the direction of this case if the people that know more than anyone and would know the right things to seek in discovery were involved. Sent from my SM-N950U using Tapatalk __________________ Looking for University of Memphis players in their college uniform especially DeAngelo Williams and Paxton Lynch. Mark McGwire on card autos especially 2002 and 2003, 1/1s and Toppsy Dynasty /10 from 2014 and 2018.

02-13-2020, 02:32 PM	#115
wscws2008 Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,414 matty182	I’ve known for a few weeks Eric was going to submit this. I’ve talked to him, albeit virtually, and he is out for blood. I think he is going to see this through to the end but who knows where it lands. At the very least, if this gains enough attention, put a dent into Collector’s Universe stock prices. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ White Sox, White Sox, Go Go White Sox!!!! Go White Sox in 2020!!! Collecting - Any player in a White Sox uniform especially The Big Hurt!

02-13-2020, 02:34 PM	#116
jlzinck Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Cape Cod, MA Posts: 36,245 jlzinck jl_zinck	Lawyers will make bank. Plaintiff may get some money and the rest of the class will gt a free submission at the 135 business day level __________________ https://www.youtube.com/user/jonzinck

02-13-2020, 02:51 PM	#120
HarryLime Member Join Date: May 2011 Location: Spaceball 1 Posts: 4,794	The entire concept that baseball's tv numbers are down is stupid. Everybody's tv numbers are down. There's been a seismic shift in how the medium has been consumed and the days of people tuning into NBC every Thursday night for "Must See TV" are over. Viewership is completely splintered across streaming devices and on demand services. There isn't a single show anywhere today that even sniffs the numbers something like LOST got 10 years ago. What you have to look at it is live viewership and nothing gets better numbers than sports, including baseball. Advertisers want to be able to know that their material is going to be consumed at an exact time and not a week later when someone decides to watch the latest episode of that streaming show. This is why attendance may be down at ballparks but you're seeing $20 billion dollar tv rights deals. Live sports is gold. No one records a sports game and watched it 5 days later. Arthur

02-13-2020, 02:57 PM	#121
base set Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: NW Michigan Posts: 9,579	you should cross-post that in the Trevor Bauer thread

02-13-2020, 03:18 PM	#125
lauriontj Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: PA Posts: 6,268	Gotta collect em all! __________________ Insta: tjssportscards24 PC: Griffey/Soto and like the Washington Nationals! My dad taught me to hate the Yankees. Now that I’m an adult, I realize I was raised correctly.