What a nightmare

[CollectorMan]

I don't like doing things like this but I really have no choice....

Made a deal recently with mjtobias for my Pete Alonso lot. Buyer agreed to purchase the items as seen in the thread from my scans (I even bumped $20 off the list price to be nice since I saw he was new.) I gave my paypal info, he paid. I sent the items exactly as they appear in the scans and provided tracking in paypal, and he received them.

He first said he did not see the scratch and later claimed he does see it. I have screenshots of both here.

First one claiming to not see scratch (Btw, I don't see a scratch, just a little dust) but I also never claimed everything was GEM MINT 10 either.


Here's when he now claims that he does see a scratch



Forward to this week, he escalated a paypal claim against me, and today Paypal ruled in my favor after I provided this and more evidence on him. The paypal operators exact quote "He is not being honest here."

So gave him a neutral feedback though I felt he deserved a negative but don't like to give those out. His response is to give me a negative feedback on it, so clearly retaliatory on me, so yeah that sucks despite the fact that I lived up to my end based on what we agreed to. I never once said he would be getting GEM MINT cards, they were always raw. To paraphrase the sales thread, these are the cards for sale, here are the scans, look at the scans if you want them, PM me if you do. Nowhere did it say, you will be getting perfect MINT cards.

https://www.blowoutforums.com/showthread.php?t=1354499

Anyway, he apparently he says he's reported me. Not sure for what, but at this point with him, I don't really care. You lied mjtobias and I caught you lying. To the rest of blowout, save yourself the trouble. Not worth it.

[rebbrooks]

There is a scratch there, it looks like to me. And it is hard to see. Tough call. I don't see how he's not being honest though. How is he lying, it's kinda hard to see in that scan. What is the other evidence?

[shrevecity]

Report him to the mods and see if you can get the neg removed and your neutral upgraded to a neg. Should at least be able to get it removed and him a weeks vacation.

[rebbrooks]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Report him to the mods and see if you can get the neg removed and your neutral upgraded to a neg. Should at least be able to get it removed and him a weeks vacation.

I'm confused. He's called him a liar. He called him a liar in his feedback too. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's not a lie in his pms, he's just saying it's hard to see in scan, unless he said something else.

[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by rebbrooks

I'm confused. He's called him a liar. He called him a liar in his feedback too. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's not a lie in his pms, he's just saying it's hard to see in scan, unless he said something else.

I was saying that based on the OPs message. If everything he says is accurate. HOWEVER I am not seeing where the buyer actually lied about it. To me it seems he may have seen it in the scan but could not tell if it was a scratch or matched up the scratch to the photo and was then able to see it in the scan. I see it now only because I know it it is there. If I was just looking at the scan I would not have noticed. I think the buyer is right, it should have been mentioned.

[rebbrooks]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

I was saying that based on the OPs message. If everything he says is accurate. HOWEVER I am not seeing where the buyer actually lied about it. To me it seems he may have seen it in the scan but could not tell if it was a scratch or matched up the scratch to the photo and was then able to see it in the scan. I see it now only because I know it it is there. If I was just looking at the scan I would not have noticed. I think the buyer is right, it should have been mentioned.

Yeah, I wouldn't have seen it either. There's obviously another pm or more not being shown too, I believe.

[CollectorMan]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

Report him to the mods and see if you can get the neg removed and your neutral upgraded to a neg. Should at least be able to get it removed and him a weeks vacation.

Already done. Whether a scratch is there or not is irrelevant. I posted a scan of the card. I never noticed a scratch, but I'm also not a grader. I was just selling the items in the scans. It was up to him to decide whether the items were in the condition he wanted them to be before agreeing to purchase. He agreed, he got the exact cards. I stand by my statement and fufilled my end, it's why PayPal sided with me. I had to provide a lot of details to prove it, and I did. Wasted a lot of my one off day doing so, not fun.

[CollectorMan]

Originally Posted by shrevecity

I was saying that based on the OPs message. If everything he says is accurate. HOWEVER I am not seeing where the buyer actually lied about it. To me it seems he may have seen it in the scan but could not tell if it was a scratch or matched up the scratch to the photo and was then able to see it in the scan. I see it now only because I know it it is there. If I was just looking at the scan I would not have noticed. I think the buyer is right, it should have been mentioned.

Basically he said he didn't see a scratch before purchasing, then sends another PM saying he now sees a scratch in the scan after receiving. To me that's changing statements, and a lie.

Again it's irrelevant, I was never selling a mint card and never claimed as such. I was selling the cards in the scan. I never noticed the scratch because I don't do much grading and that's not my expertise. If I had noticed, I probably would have added something like "these are not mint, buy at discretion." Not my job to figure out grades.

[rebbrooks]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

Already done. Whether a scratch is there or not is irrelevant. I posted a scan of the card. I never noticed a scratch, but I'm also not a grader. I was just selling the items in the scans. It was up to him to decide whether the items were in the condition he wanted them to be before agreeing to purchase. He agreed, he got the exact cards. I stand by my statement and fufilled my end, it's why PayPal sided with me. I had to provide a lot of details to prove it, and I did. Wasted a lot of my one off day doing so, not fun.

The scratch is there in my opinion. What's relevant is you're calling him a liar, when he's not in those messages. That's pretty rude. The PayPal ruling can be appealed too.

[CollectorMan]

Originally Posted by rebbrooks

The scratch is there in my opinion. What's relevant is you're calling him a liar, when he's not in those messages. That's pretty rude. The PayPal ruling can be appealed too.

Great it's rude

What I find rude is asking for a return because you didn't look closer at a scan and didn't realize it wasn't what you were looking for. I would have been just fine with him saying no, but he didn't. Im am also very aware it can be appealed 0 transactions guy. Changing a statement is lying because he knew he screwed up and didn't do a closer look when he purchases, as he was clearly looking for something to grade.

You are saying you see a scratch, awesome. Again, it's irrelevant. The scan is there for the reason. I never claimed it was mint for this very reason. Whether he saw or didn't is irrelevant, he made the decision to buy it. I wasn't deceiving anything, I showed off the card I had for sale, he agreed to purchase it. He claimed damage despite having seen the scan, so hes in the wrong. I wasn't aware that only GEM raw cards could be sold here, yeah because that's not the case. If he has buyers remorse fine, I still fulfilled my end.

[mjtobias]

What is wrong with you? I have done nothing to firstly, be called out in this section, secondly, to be called a "piece of s***" in our direct messages, and thirdly, to be called a liar.

Whoever is reading this now, please take a look at the the Pete Alonso autograph card. If you look closely, there is a scratch that runs down the card (from his helmet, past his right elbow, and down around his signature. It's more noticeable in person). There clearly is a scratch on the card.

Per our messages, I asked for a return because I wasn't made aware of the scratch. I'm not a picky guy as to the condition of cards. I'm not going to ask "oh, how's this corner, how's that corner", and such. I didn't blame the seller for not pointing out the scratch too, because maybe honestly he just didn't see it. So, I ask if I can please return the cards, but he refused numerous times and said our "business is concluded". So I file with PayPal citing that I didn't receive the item in mint condition. PayPal sided with the seller because the seller didn't mention anything in the thread that the cards are in mint condition. Seriously?

Within minutes after receiving the PayPal notification this morning, he leaves me a neutral iTrader calling me a liar and then messages me again calling me a liar and that I deserve a negative. Really??

I've been in contact with the mods as well.

Again, I've done nothing to deserve this.

[rebbrooks]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

Great it's rude

What I find rude is asking for a return because you didn't look closer at a scan and didn't realize it wasn't what you were looking for. I would have been just fine with him saying no, but he didn't. Im am also very aware it can be appealed 0 transactions guy. Changing a statement is lying because he knew he screwed up and didn't do a closer look when he purchases, as he was clearly looking for something to grade.

You are saying you see a scratch, awesome. Again, it's irrelevant. The scan is there for the reason. I never claimed it was mint for this very reason. Whether he saw or didn't is irrelevant, he made the decision to buy it. I wasn't deceiving anything, I showed off the card I had for sale, he agreed to purchase it. He claimed damage despite having seen the scan, so hes in the wrong. I wasn't aware that only GEM raw cards could be sold here, yeah because that's not the case. If he has buyers remorse fine, I still fulfilled my end.

He never changed his statement, he was letting you know what occurred, due to your poor scan. I've got plenty of transactions on ebay, where he would receive a refund. I don't think your negative should be reversed. Also, why not show the rest of the pms, or other evidence you say you have? Edited to add, now we know why you don't show the rest of the pms. Sounds like you deserve a suspension to me. The buyer did nothing wrong.

[mjtobias]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

Great it's rude

What I find rude is asking for a return because you didn't look closer at a scan and didn't realize it wasn't what you were looking for. I would have been just fine with him saying no, but he didn't. Im am also very aware it can be appealed 0 transactions guy. Changing a statement is lying because he knew he screwed up and didn't do a closer look when he purchases, as he was clearly looking for something to grade.

You are saying you see a scratch, awesome. Again, it's irrelevant. The scan is there for the reason. I never claimed it was mint for this very reason. Whether he saw or didn't is irrelevant, he made the decision to buy it. I wasn't deceiving anything, I showed off the card I had for sale, he agreed to purchase it. He claimed damage despite having seen the scan, so hes in the wrong. I wasn't aware that only GEM raw cards could be sold here, yeah because that's not the case. If he has buyers remorse fine, I still fulfilled my end.

Per our messages, you told me you didn't notice a scratch. Now you actually admit that you noticed it, but didn't say anything to get rid of it? Wow. I now know why you didn't want to accept a return.

[CollectorMan]

Originally Posted by mjtobias

What is wrong with you? I have done nothing to firstly, be called out in this section, secondly, to be called a "piece of s***" in our direct messages, and thirdly, to be called a liar.

Whoever is reading this now, please take a look at the the Pete Alonso autograph card. If you look closely, there is a scratch that runs down the card (from his helmet, past his right elbow, and down around his signature. It's more noticeable in person). There clearly is a scratch on the card.

Per our messages, I asked for a return because I wasn't made aware of the scratch. I'm not a picky guy as to the condition of cards. I'm not going to ask "oh, how's this corner, how's that corner", and such. I didn't blame the seller for not pointing out the scratch too, because maybe honestly he just didn't see it. So, I ask if I can please return the cards, but he refused numerous times and said our "business is concluded". So I file with PayPal citing that I didn't receive the item in mint condition. PayPal sided with the seller because the seller didn't mention anything in the thread that the cards are in mint condition. Seriously?

Within minutes after receiving the PayPal notification this morning, he leaves me a neutral iTrader calling me a liar and then messages me again calling me a liar and that I deserve a negative. Really??

I've been in contact with the mods as well.

Again, I've done nothing to deserve this.

I called you a piece of work after you gave me a negative. I can screen shot that if you'd like. You are a liar IMO, which I am entitled to thank you.

[CollectorMan]

Originally Posted by mjtobias

Per our messages, you told me you didn't notice a scratch. Now you actually admit that you noticed it, but didn't say anything to get rid of it? Wow. I now know why you didn't want to accept a return.

I didn't notice a scratch. I still don't notice a scratch. If people here do cool, I put the scan up for the many experts of blowout to judge if they want it or not want it. I am not a grader, and don't look for things like that.

I mostly do non sports and 8x10s where that stuff mostly doesn't matter. I bought a few boxes of baseball and pulled a Alonso auto and a few other cards. Popped it in the top loader and put it in a box and went on with my life. I held for a bit and put a sale thread up when spring training came up. I scanned the card and still didn't notice anything outside of dustiness from my scan which is common because my scanner gets everything. As much as I dust can't seem to get it out of my scans.

I posted sales thread with said scan of Alonso cards, still having not seen anything wrong with it. You looked at it and agreed to purchase it. I even knocked off $20. It arrived on time and you received the item as shown in the scans. You then filed a dispute against me, which you lost because you were shown to say two things which is like lying.

IMO, I feel you were lying to try and recoup for not seeing a scratch. I however was just selling a group of cards exactly as pictured and delivered said cards as promised. Like it or not, I did fulfill my end and you tried to get out of it. I was probably a little stern with you, but I am with everyone. Just my way. You got what I promised. The end.

[hxcmilkshake]

So the unhappy customer can just go screw himself? Nice. Seller didnt notice it, buyer did and wants a refund. Sounds like you should refund him. I hope your feedback stays to alert others.

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[shrevecity]

Originally Posted by CollectorMan

I didn't notice a scratch. I still don't notice a scratch. If people here do cool, I put the scan up for the many experts of blowout to judge if they want it or not want it. I am not a grader, and don't look for things like that.

I mostly do non sports and 8x10s where that stuff mostly doesn't matter. I bought a few boxes of baseball and pulled a Alonso auto and a few other cards. Popped it in the top loader and put it in a box and went on with my life. I held for a bit and put a sale thread up when spring training came up. I scanned the card and still didn't notice anything outside of dustiness from my scan which is common because my scanner gets everything. As much as I dust can't seem to get it out of my scans.

I posted sales thread with said scan of Alonso cards, still having not seen anything wrong with it. You looked at it and agreed to purchase it. I even knocked off $20. It arrived on time and you received the item as shown in the scans. You then filed a dispute against me, which you lost because you were shown to say two things which is like lying.

IMO, I feel you were lying to try and recoup for not seeing a scratch. I however was just selling a group of cards exactly as pictured and delivered said cards as promised. Like it or not, I did fulfill my end and you tried to get out of it. I was probably a little stern with you, but I am with everyone. Just my way. You got what I promised. The end.

So now you did not notice the scratch and admit you sold a damaged item and the buyer is the liar. Lol look in the mirror. You owe the buyer a refund and got a well deserved neg. He never changed his story as you say. The neg on the buyer should be removed and your neg is well deserved

[Dacubs]

I would love to grab my popcorn and read all of the pms…

[smanzari]

I don't know if this makes any difference, but I can see the line clearly in the photo. (really just wanted to comment here TBH as this thread has become entertaining [not johnbeee entertaining though, so a little disappointed])

[Jmsiak13]

This could have all been avoided by just giving the refund and getting the cards back... Then mentioning in the next sale that one has a scratch on it

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[cking]

All this thread is missing is the god bless

[CollectorMan]

My gawds, ok kids. Sorry your baseball card had a scratch on it. I didn't see it. It's over, deal with it. I'm not refunding anything. He got what he paid for. God bless.

[CollectorMan]

If you don't want to deal with me based on me selling an item exactly as pictured fine. I don't think I'm gonna lose sleep over it. If you do cool, I will get you exactly what is pictured in my sales thread. Again, God bless.

[CollectorMan]

Originally Posted by Jmsiak13

This could have all been avoided by just giving the refund and getting the cards back... Then mentioning in the next sale that one has a scratch on it

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I don't do refunds. I'm also not a grader and not enough of a expert to give expertise in that field. Just had some card, I put up a scan, he said it was good enough, for him and offers to buy it. I sold it at a discount to him. He received it. The end.

[CollectorMan]

Originally Posted by hxcmilkshake

So the unhappy customer can just go screw himself? Nice. Seller didnt notice it, buyer did and wants a refund. Sounds like you should refund him. I hope your feedback stays to alert others.

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You won't have to worry about it anyway so awesome. I don't do refunds.